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Post by Rubislaw32 on Oct 23, 2016 7:45:24 GMT -8
Thanks for the interest,Ricardo,and you certainly make a couple of pertinent points.
I am aware that two branches of US Federal Law Enforcement,have received the solution,that I have offered.This would have been,between two years,and eighteen months ago.Neither are willing to confirm or deny the solution's ''validity'',but certain matters and ''events'' lead me to believe,that the solution has made a difference to their investigations.
As I have made reference,it is all too clear that whoever holds possession of the original postcard,will know what,precisely,lies hidden behind the postage stamp.The ''coupling'',if you will,of this information,and how this information [''Mister Zodiac'',in shortened form] ties in with the whole solution,to most mathematicians,I would venture to suggest,confirms,by huge probability,that the whole solution offered,is correct.
As with all ''Zodiac ciphers'',I expect that Law Enforcement have subjected them to ''assistance'',with programs designed to break down ciphers,but often is the case,that computers alone,cannot do this.Trained experts have to be on hand to ''interpret'' part results,in order for a possible deciphering,to come about.It is my belief,but not my known absolute knowledge,that part of the solution to The Celebrity Cipher being in a foreign language,had fooled Law Enforcement.
If we focus on the postcard cipher,specifically,it was always likely,that there was ''at least'',what looks like ,half the symbol ''M'' lurking behind the postage stamp.Indeed,this symbol has always been included,as making up ''the originally quantified 63 symbols''.
The unanswered question was,if there were more symbols hidden behind the postage stamp [?].
In ''attacking'' the second half of the cipher,I had made allowances for the ''possibility'' of there being more symbols behind that stamp.It was only when I realized that something meaningful,in French,could solve that second half,that I realized that,whatever was behind the stamp had to represent the French word ''SON''.
It was only then,that I ''worked backwards'',to discover that ''SON'',was the solution to the three symbols,that denote ''Mister Zodiac''.
For the second time,I fell off my chair [!].
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Oct 24, 2016 7:04:18 GMT -8
As an appendage to my last post : If we accept that the solution to the Celebrity Cipher,that I have offered is correct [...which of course it is,and shall be using it as a stick to beat US Federal Law Enforcement over the head,at a later date,for the way they treated Lyndon Lafferty...],then may I bring readers attention,to the graphically represented solution on Ricardo's ''Project'' website : You will note,as already mentioned,that Zodiac selected a particularly elongated postage stamp [....and in doing,spent 16 cents more on postage,than he needed...],to cover up those three symbols denoting ''Mister Zodiac''. If you examine the space that Zodiac had originally left,it appears apparent that ''that space'' was created by Zodiac,as an ''allocation'' for a conventionally sized postage stamp,once Zodiac had completed his writing out of the whole cipher. I believe that it is very possible that ''Mister Zodiac'' [''M'' Symbol,''R'' Symbol,''Cross-hair'' Symbol ],was originally intended,by Zodiac,to be left as an ''open advertisement'',as to who,precisely,was the ''celebrated'' sender. At the last moment,Zodiac,perhaps,had second thoughts,and selected the elongated Marianne Moore postage stamp,to ensure that those three symbols,would be largely concealed. In doing so,Zodiac,one could argue,made the cipher,more difficult to solve [?].In hindsight,it was always going to be difficult,with Zodiac's decision to split the cipher solution,into English,followed by French,and separated by the only punctuation mark,in the whole cipher .
Having solved the cipher myself,I can say,ironically,that those three symbols obscured behind the postage stamp,were actually its weakness [!].
Poor Zodiac - stuffed like a ''Christmass'' turkey,this time.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 2, 2016 13:54:25 GMT -8
On October 5th 1970,a person,believed to be Zodiac,sent the ''Peek through the Pines'' card,to The Vallejo Times Herald,SF Examiner and SF Chronicle,This card was for the attention of investigative journalist Paul Avery.
On October 27th 1970,Zodiac sent The Halloween Card to Paul Avery,at the SF Chronicle.The card opened with ''From your SECRET PAL''.
On September 25th 1990,a person,believed to be Zodiac,sent the ''1990 Celebrity Cypher'' card to The Vallejo Times Herald.At this time,Paul Avery was working for the SF Examiner.
In December 1990,a person,believed to be Zodiac,sent the ''SECRET PAL Christmas Card'' to the SF Chronicle.The card opened with ''From your SECRET PAL''.As at the time of the 1990 Celebrity Cypher,three months prior,Paul Avery was working for the SF Examiner.
Is it,perhaps the case,and given that Zodiac was the sender of all four correspondences,that the intended recipient was Paul Avery ?
To home in on Rubislaw 32's solution to the 1990 Celebrity Cypher :
NOBLE PLEASURE LOSES A LOVE BUSBOYS , AU UN JEU SANS SON SP NASE LE NOBLE PLEASURE
i] The French word ''SON'' can,of course,mean ''his'',as well as ''its''.
ii] What if,the ''SP'' stands for ''SECRET PAL'',as opposed to ''San Francisco Police'' [?].
Then,in loose English,the solution would read :
''Noble Pleasure loses a love,'Busboys',for a game without his knackered 'Secret Pal' - the Noble Pleasure.''. [?].
Summary :
It is always a given,that 'Busboys' is directed at the staff of The Vallejo Times Herald,for this is the address,that the sender has posted the card.And,given that he refers to them as 'Busboys',infers that the sender views them as menial ''minions'' - messenger boys,if you will.Effectively,ones who might pass on a message - that the game described as ''The Noble Pleasure'',has lost its attraction,for Paul Avery's ''Secret Pal''.
''Self-deprecation'' from ''Zodiac'',perhaps [?].And,that he wishes the staff at The Vallejo Times Herald,to pass this message on to Paul Avery,at The SF Examiner.
One notes,that three months later,a Christmas card arrives at the SF Chronicle,and,although addressed to the editor,begins ''From your SECRET PAL''.Based on the same beginning,on the Halloween Card,it would not be presumptuous,to assume that the sender wishes the SF Chronicle's editor,to pass on the senders wishes,to Paul Avery,at the SF Examiner.
So,the ''long and the short of it'' is,that ''SP'' in the proposed 1990 Celebrity Cypher solution,could actually stand for ''SECRET PAL'',and ''Zodiac'' wishes the message,to be passed on to Paul Avery.
Perhaps,in all four correspondences,I have mentioned,they were intended for Paul Avery,but with Zodiac maximizing the exposure,for the three largest Newspapers in the San Francisco vicinity [?].
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 3, 2016 11:04:56 GMT -8
As an appendage to my previous post,let us examine what happened to the two correspondences from 1990 - and believed to have been written by Zodiac.
The 1990 Celebrity Cypher,on receipt from the Vallejo Times Herald,was handed over to The Vallejo Police,who then informed the FBI of its existence.The FBI requested the cipher,in its postcard form,allowing the local force to retain a copy.Circa 1995,ex-highway patrol officer,Lyndon Lafferty,claims that he was tipped off about the postcard's existence,and managed to walk out of a Vallejo police station,with a copy of the V.P.D.'s copy.
Lyndon Lafferty,like ''the cat who got the cream'' [?].It does seem doubtful,given that this had been confidential ''Zodiac material'' [?].But then,Lafferty as an ex-cop,may have been able to pull strings.He certainly believed that he had.
The ''Secret Pal Christmas Card'' is believed to have turned up,in a SF Chronicle storage cupboard,following the release of David Fincher's Zodiac film - circa 2007.This would infer that the FBI were unaware of its existence,up until that point.The card itself,had no additions,apart from the snowman on the front,made to resemble a Groucho Marx lookalike.Its significance was bolstered by an accompanying Xerox picture of two US postal keys and a key torch [light]. The pictures interpretation has been debated,ever since.
So,within three months,two possible Zodiac correspondences from 1990,with neither able to make any impact at that time.The cipher sent to the Vallejo Times Herald,and the Xmas card sent to the SF Chronicle.
Perhaps both,with Paul Avery,as the intended recipient - then,in the employment of the SF Examiner.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 5, 2016 0:37:13 GMT -8
Rubislaw 32's solution to the 1990 Celebrity Cypher : NOBLE PLEASURE LOSES A LOVE BUSBOYS , AU UN JEU SANS SON SP NASE LE NOBLE PLEASURE
In the ''unauthenticated'' Benicia High School note,and Rubislaw 32's solution to the ''unauthenticated'' 1990 Celebrity Cypher ,the sender,believed to be Zodiac,employs the word ''SON''.
Given that Zodiac has already employed ''Sun'',in reference to ''Sunday'' [July 31st 1969],then it is unlikely that ''SON'' holds equivalence with ''Sunday''.
Given that Zodiac has already referred to the San Francisco Police as ''S.F.Police'' [October 13th 1969]....and,''SFPD'' on many occasions,in reference to his ''scorecard''.....then,it could be argued,that ''SP'' employed in Rubislaw 32's cipher solution,is unlikely to hold equivalence with ''San Francisco Police'' [?].
''SON'',as employed in Rubislaw 32's cipher solution,is presumed,in context,to be usage of the French word ''SON'',meaning ''its'' or ''his'',anyway [?].
So...it hardly seems beyond the realms of possibility that ''SP'' stands for something other than ''San Francisco Police''.
And...''SP'' standing for ''SECRET PAL'',appears to meet the criterion.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 12, 2016 11:31:08 GMT -8
As far as I am aware,no one in the public domain has actually seen the front of the 1990 Celebrity Cypher postcard.It reportedly is a scene depicting a sandy beach and floating driftwood in the sea.[...any contributions would be welcome,on this point...].
The only influence,on my attempt to uncover the cipher's solution was,that I originally believed that the cipher's solution,may have started : ''Noble treasure...'',as opposed to ''Noble pleasure...''.
Naturally,the ''information''with regard to the postcard's picture,suggests something along the lines of a ''Paradise Island'' setting.References to ''Sandy Beach Drive'',and the suspect,known only as ''Sandy'',may yet emerge to have some relevance.But,I believe that ''caution'' is warranted [?].So often has it been demonstrated,that ''Zodiac'' sends anyone investigating,on a tangential ''Red Herring''.
What stands out,more than any other specific aspect,is,that the Rubislaw 32 solution ''uncovers'' the usage of French,as well as English Language.As well as making the cipher,in hindsight,more difficult to solve,it does pose possible questions,in relation to the cipher's architect [Zodiac [?]].
If Zodiac,then why would he employ this particular tactic ?
What stands out,time after time,is Zodiac's need for showing off and self-importance.The cipher's architect has acquired,perhaps,usable French Language and desires to convey this in the cipher's solution.
Therefore,on the basis that Rubislaw 32's solution is correct,the postcard's picture conveys someone who has been away,and had time to contemplate [?].
Someone living a restful existence,in a ''Paradise'' setting,away from the ''chaos and confusion'' of a previous carnation.
Simply,this [?].
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 13, 2016 17:23:23 GMT -8
If we examine the phrase ''Noble pleasure'',as quoted by Frederick The Great,I would suggest that it does appear to tie in with the Celebrity Cypher solution,and in respect to the probability of Zodiac,as the cipher's author.
''The greatest and noblest pleasure which men can have in the world,is to discover new truths,and the next is to shake off old prejudices.''
Within the context of the cipher's solution is revealed ''A Zodiac'' finally believing that he has come to terms with the past,and that which he previously regarded as ''The noble pleasure'',no longer holds an attraction,not least because he realizes that it has tired him.
A philosophical ''Zodiac'',therefore [?].Whether true,or not,there is evidence that he had read up on Frederick The Great,to come to this conclusion.
The great King of Prussia,and military tactician,was known to have an aversion for hunting game,as a pastime and sport.Lamenting that ''most kings and princes spend at least three quarters of their lives racing through forests,chasing and killing animals'',Frederick attacked hunting as non-intellectual :
''The hunt is one of those sensual pleasures which excites the body,but does nothing for the mind.It is a lethal skill which is used against savage animals.It is continual dissipation,a tumultuous pleasure which fills the emptiness of the soul,rendering it incapable of any reflection.It is the ardent desire to pursue some wild beast,and the cruel satisfaction of killing it.In short,it is an amusement which builds up the body,but leaves the mind fallow.''
On the hunters,themselves,Frederick adds :
''.....ordinarily crude,they surrender wholeheartedly to their passion;and it is to be feared that they will become as inhuman toward men as they are toward beasts or,at least,that their cruel indifference to suffering will make them less compassionate to their fellow men.Is this such a ''noble pleasure'' ? Is this such a rational occupation ? ''.
So,perhaps a Zodiac contemplating the words of Frederick The Great,and feeling remorseful [?].Perhaps the closest he ever came to an apology [?].
Seeing as Zodiac was,more than likely,a ''full blown'' psychopath,his ''soul searching'' barely seems credible [?].As with his ''protestations'' over the SF Chronicle's coverage of the [then] new film ''Badlands'',it appears that Zodiac has simply read some ''wise words'' somewhere,clinging on to them as appearing meaningful and justifying a stance,that the majority might hold - then using the perceived ''moral'' viewpoint,as something that he embraces.
Never give these ''people'' an inch of latitude - it allows them the opportunity of regaining their control - then simply walking all over the morally good - dismantling them,yet again,by stealth.
That,is the true Zodiac.
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Post by Davb on Nov 13, 2016 17:49:09 GMT -8
Is there a quik explanation as to how you got the Noble Pleasure phrase ?
like a code key
we have no other connection to the french dialect , so IMO highly unlikely he went there .
Most believe he stayed very close to the 408 wording styles
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 13, 2016 18:39:52 GMT -8
Thanks for the interest,Davb.
Having given the cipher,as a whole,a good ''perusal'',I decided that I had to respect the comma,as being a probable ''division'' of the cipher,in to two halves.So,I tried to,firstly,concentrate on the ''first half'',without being too distracted by the ''second half''.
So,those first two lines were really important - not least,because they were repeated at the end of the cipher,and an overall ''tie in'' of meaningfulness might come about.
As mentioned,I felt that those first two lines would be some sort of statement,and possibly related to the ''Paradise Island'' image that I knew about,that constituted the picture on the front of the postcard.
I believed that the opening ''statement'' would be an adjective [...as transpired ''Noble''....],followed by a noun [....as transpired ''pleasure''...].
I initially,came up with ''Noble treasure'',which seemed OK.It was then that I got ''busy'',with a comprehensive book of quotations,which I had beside me.Eventually,coming across the phrase ''Noble pleasure'',as quoted by Frederick The Great.
So,that's how my deciphering started,really.There was a point,when I thought that ''Zodiac'' had a part of his solution as ''Loses a lure Bus Bums'',but realized that it must be ''Loses a love Busboys'',since ''Bus Bums'' is an obscure expression,that keeps changing its meaning,with each generation.
Once the ''first half'' seemed ''sorted'',I then attacked the second half,with a few ''solution titbits'' derived from the ''first half''.
But,it was only when I elected to try a foreign language,that the ''second half'' started to take shape.
Then,I knew that I had the whole cipher solved.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 14, 2016 0:12:46 GMT -8
Hi again,Davb
With reference to the 408 cipher,that you mentioned.There really is no evidence that other ciphers that Zodiac constructed were related to the 408 - except,of course,employing some of the same symbols that appear in the 408.It seems to me that Zodiac was want to collect a ''bank'' of these symbols,occasionally acquiring new symbols,which would suddenly appear in a new cipher - to add,perhaps,a new point of interest to the curious minded.
Much as I feel reluctant to say anything detrimental about the ''great'' Lyndon Lafferty,his attempts at both the Celebrity Cypher and Z13,were wholly ridiculous - particularly to anyone with theoretical experience.With the Celebrity Cypher,he may as well have employed an ''electric blender'' on the 408,and his convoluted attempt at Z13,''defies gravity''.This should not detract,though,from his other magnificent investigating achievements.
On a point of my inference,conveyed through the solution to the Celebrity Cypher,that ''Zodiac'' had acquired usable French Language,one should bear in mind that the 408 and Celebrity Cypher,come twenty one years apart.Naturally,the probability that Zodiac has become a more mature and traveled individual.
In Scottish Sunday Express Ben Borland's Zodiac article [Jan 18th 2015],he suggests that I,as the ''Anonymous Scottish Author'' had found the secret to Zodiac's ciphers,through the Celebrity Cypher.This was a complete inaccuracy that came about,so I believe,through a conversation between Borland and SF Chronicle's Kevin Fagan.
Two ''engaging'' journalists that don't always let an odd inaccuracy,or two,get in the way of a good story - told for the benefit of a ''general readership''.
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Post by Davb on Nov 14, 2016 16:40:22 GMT -8
Okay not quite what I needed
I see that comma as a pause ,like you would read a sentence that had one
And see the 1st symbol as a stamp, meaning -Zodiac Killer here - he put one on the envelope after Stines killing for the senders address.
and the spacing on the R side as to separate the phrases
I can't see him using a different code key for each other ciphers ,just a more complex one than the 408
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 14, 2016 17:32:18 GMT -8
These are interesting observations and viewpoints,Davb.
The comma,as employed in the Celebrity Cypher,and as you have perceived ''is'' used as a pause - but also,as I have demonstrated,apparently a ''sub-division'' sign,by,presumably,Zodiac.A warning,if you will,that a change of some sort,is to come.And,in this case,a change from English to French.
As far as I am aware,Zodiac never used grammar syntax,in any of his ciphers - until the Celebrity Cypher - so,the comma employed is a ''groundbreaking'' Zodiac tactic - and therefore,deserves particular attention,for ''Zodiac's'' reasoning,on this [?].
Anyone attempting any of Zodiac's ciphers/cryptograms inevitably starts by employing the code key from the 408.
Why ?
Because the 408 is the only Zodiac cipher,that has been,in general agreement,solved.
What has transpired,when the code key from the 408,has been employed,for other ciphers ?
Failure.
''Q.I.D'',as they say - ''Proof as demonstrated''.
Yes,there is a body of opinion,that suggests that the 340,in particular,has been subjected to a more complex construct,by Zodiac.Not least,because no one,so far,has been able to solve it [!].
Personally,I am not so convinced that this is true.But I still work on it,from time to time....and believe that there is a chance that Zodiac ''pushed the boat out'' in efforts to fool us,for that one.
What most don't really want to have to admit is,that Zodiac,as an amateur codes enthusiast,just tried too hard on something new that was actually beyond his scope of experience.
That,or that he happened to be inebriated on the night that he was putting his final touches to the 340.
The ''jury'' remains ''out'',on this one.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 15, 2016 11:14:40 GMT -8
I see what you mean,Davb,with regard to the very first symbol used on the Celebrity Cypher,being the Zodiac ''cross-hair'' symbol.
Naturally,I have it solved as representing the alphabetic letter ''N'' [....as in ''Noble''....].
If you check out other Zodiac ciphers,you will see that Zodiac uses the ''cross-hair'' symbol quite liberally in his ciphers - as well as,of course,employed as the symbol representing himself [Zodiac].
Nothing out of the ordinary,there.
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Post by Ricardo on Nov 21, 2016 1:56:05 GMT -8
Rubislaw32’s solution to the Celebrity Cypher uses five different symbols to substitute for the letter E.
The Zodiac killer used seven different symbols to substitute for the letter E in the 408-symbol cipher.
Two of the symbols used for the letter E in Rubislaw32’s solution to the Celebrity Cypher were also used for the letter E by the Zodiac killer in the 408-symbol cipher.
The two symbols are the + and the backwards P.
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Post by Ricardo on Nov 26, 2016 0:30:03 GMT -8
Here is an additional analysis comparing the proposed solutions to the Celebrity Cypher. www.mk-zodiac.com/DecipheringtheCelebrityCypher.htmlLyndon LaffertyThe following 15 alphabetical letters are used in Lyndon Lafferty’s solution to the Celebrity Cypher: A, D, E, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, S, T, U, V, Y The following 11 alphabetical letters are not used in Lyndon Lafferty’s solution to the Celebrity Cypher: B, C, F, J, K, P, Q, R, W, X, Z The Zodiologists, Alexander Heck and Roland HeckThe following 16 alphabetical letters are used in the Zodiologists, Alexander Heck and Roland Heck’s solution to the Celebrity Cypher: A, C, D, E, F, G, I, L, N, O, P, R, S, T, U, X The following 10 alphabetical letters are not used in the Zodiologists, Alexander Heck and Roland Heck’s solution to the Celebrity Cypher: B, H, J, K, M, Q, V, W, Y, Z AK WilksThe following 18 alphabetical letters are used in AK Wilks’s solution to the Celebrity Cypher: A, C, D, E, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T, U, V, Y (19 including J) The following 8 alphabetical letters are not used in AK Wilks’s solution to the Celebrity Cypher: B, F, J, K, Q, W, X, Z (7 excluding J) Rubislaw32The following 13 alphabetical letters are used in Rubislaw32’s solution to the Celebrity Cypher: A, B, E, J, L, N, O, P, R, S, U, V, Y The following 13 alphabetical letters are not used in Rubislaw’s solution to the Celebrity Cypher: C, D, F, G, H, I, K, M, Q, T, W, X, Z * * *Of these four proposed solutions, none use the following 4 alphabetical letters: K, Q, W, Z The possible partial solution uses K and W.
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