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Post by Davb2 on May 18, 2018 12:05:31 GMT -8
There was also a troop -the four horsemen
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Post by sushshaf on Oct 18, 2020 12:42:09 GMT -8
Since this thread has been created,to examine a possible Military connection,far be it from me to detract too far from the core focus. If we accept that Law Enforcement,made a good fist of accounting for Military based personnel,in the vicinity [....and no doubt would have received assistance,from the Military,itself....],then it's really the transient and military related personnel,that might have ''slipped through the net'' [?]. Mare Island,naturally comes to mind,with a very active industry of ship building and fitting,during that late sixties period.Indeed,construction and fitment of Naval Submarines,represented a large portion of industrial work,carried out there. But there were other major construction projects taking place,at the time.At Benicia,for example,Exxon had commissioned a new Oil Refinery,which was officially under construction,between 1967 and 1970.As well as local skilled workers,there would have been a sizable quantity of specialist outsiders,from both Construction,and Oil Industries,involved,for the duration of this commission. And,precisely at the time of Zodiac's height of infamy. I feel given the description of z age that he served in the forces earlier. What gets me is the outfit that he wore had to be sewn by someone. Bryan initially considered it had been a fancy dress costume and that it was well made. Surely if there were businesses that rented such a costume that they would be willing to offer up who had rented it. Failing that it means that he had to sew it himself or someone sewed it for him. The letters were all posted from SF except for a few that were post marked a long way away. Further they were posted during the week. This implies that z was probably in SF city area during the week. He killed on weekends and public holidays. If the lady picked up with her baby was indeed picked up by z then she reported a child's dress of about 8 years size in the back. So is it feasible that Z wife was the one that sewed the outfit? Could a woman be so intimidated by her husband? Could she have written the letters?
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Post by sushshaf on Oct 18, 2020 12:47:09 GMT -8
I do not have one , except air cavalary copter gunners rear door often wore a black leather hood (to protect them from sizzling hot brasses) and poncho just like the one described at the Napa crime scene . I beleive Zodiac 's hood was made and used in Vietnam and he brought it back . ( searching images I found a gunner wearing one that looked just like the zodiacs ) and it sounds as some US copter crews were the transpo for this phoenix program early on or before it was even named and the rear gunner likely would have worn this hood so as not to be recognized later Can you give a link because I cannot find any image or video that shows cavalry copter gunners wearing a black leather hood? Further Bryan Hartnell never described it as leather.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Oct 19, 2020 1:15:55 GMT -8
Thanks for your interesting and pertinent points made , sushaf .
Just on the subject of the derivation of the outfit worn by the Zodiac , at Lake Berryessa :
Many explanations are possible . In recent years , it has been put forward that the Zodiac chose to modify a welder's hood and welder's protective clothing . This would have involved an adaptation , as such , of items already in existence , as opposed to creating something out of nothing , as a starting point .
Certainly worth referencing google images , to look at possible protective clothing candidates ( ? ) .
Personally , I'm not sold on the notion that the Zodiac was , at least currently then , in the military , but always possible .
If , as likely , the Zodiac was a '' motorhead '' , as well as a '' petrolhead '' , then it is likely that he would have acquired welding skills , for DIY fixing jobs with cars that he owned or hired , at that time .
From police reports and the FBI Files , the general consensus from law enforcement is that the Zodiac acted alone and , unlikely that he even hired the services of a close companion , such as a wife , to assist him in any way .
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Post by Sharon Lindimore on Feb 20, 2021 6:32:51 GMT -8
He was in Navy cryptology. Now professional cartoonist, but probably in nursing home. I will call Larry number 1 - unknown man - 2 - woman - 2
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Post by Davb3 on Feb 20, 2021 9:15:34 GMT -8
I do not have one , except air cavalary copter gunners rear door often wore a black leather hood (to protect them from sizzling hot brasses) and poncho just like the one described at the Napa crime scene . I beleive Zodiac 's hood was made and used in Vietnam and he brought it back . ( searching images I found a gunner wearing one that looked just like the zodiacs ) and it sounds as some US copter crews were the transpo for this phoenix program early on or before it was even named and the rear gunner likely would have worn this hood so as not to be recognized later Can you give a link because I cannot find any image or video that shows cavalry copter gunners wearing a black leather hood? Further Bryan Hartnell never described it as leather. They did wear a hood when going in for combat The troop I pointed out were exceptional the captain put a mini machine gatling gun up front in this hughes 500 observation bird The brasses on the gun came off 5-8 per sec. back at the Gunner ,if it gets down the shirt or face they stuck to skin rendering the Gunner inop, also they 340 copter per the book were telephone pole height and the VC could remember that face of the Gunner out in the open or confuse a similar go as the Gunner that attacked them in town I saw some web pics of gunners hooded but look on my post of that 340 chopper in the air mueseum they have a Gunner dummy at the gun wearing a black hood
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Post by Davb3 on Feb 20, 2021 9:39:20 GMT -8
See my ...found on youtube posts thread
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Post by Davb3 on Feb 21, 2021 10:38:31 GMT -8
Also that 340 scope crosshair or zodiac killer symbol which ever ...it has a very long horizontal line and bent down some at the left end ,that is the exact type of site you would have on this gatling machine gun when your cruising 40-50 mph at treetop heights the Gunner would use the very left line to fire or it would hit past the VC enemy
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Post by Ninecrows333 on Mar 12, 2021 18:04:22 GMT -8
Hi there, I'm a newbie here and I've just realized I should have posted here but instead have created a thread called Zodiac the Mikado and Alamo Scouts. I think I may have found a line of enquiry regarding Zodiac's military career or connection to someone who would have had knowledge of the Eighth & Sixth Army and the XI Corps who were also known as the Alamo Scouts. An interesting area I've been looking into is Japanese characters and symbols as I came across the Shimazdu Family symbol which is a Circle with Cross inside just like Zodiac's signature. I have been looking into the Japanese and the number 8, being inside a circle could refer to this site I found which the code breakers will get more than I do but sometimes Encirlced CJK Letters and Months can be a unicode block. You can find the info here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclosed_CJK_Letters_and_MonthsI also found it interesting that 4444 represents death and the Japanese when gifting never give 4 or 9 of anything as it represents death and is very unlucky to give to someone.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Mar 16, 2021 8:33:21 GMT -8
Some fascinating references to read up on , Ninecrows333 , and thanks for pointing them out , at this site .
As an extra , perhaps , you might like to check out The Texas Mikado , a parody of the Mikado more usually known as '' The Capitalist '' or '' The City of Fort Worth ''.
The Three maids are known as the three sisters , with Yum- Yum becoming By-Gum , and Bo-Peep becoming Peek-a-Boo .
I believe that the Zodiac saw Darlene Ferrin , as Yum-Yum / By-Gum , with the Zodiac himself as Nanki-Poo .
Hence , messaging on the back of the Halloween card is '' Bye Dee , Bye - Sleep - Nincompoop '' , as an interpretation of '' By D By - KIP - NCP '' , with '' Nincompoop '' being the inspiration for '' Nanki-Poo '' .
And further , that The FBI have messed with the card , which should actually read vertically , '' By-Gum - By Pope '', since the Zodiac is placing blame on Darlene's murder , as the responsibility of Catholic lay preacher , William Joseph Grant .
Refer also : Rubislaw 32's final solution to the Zodiac's 340 Cipher :
'' NICE FREAK CLUE AROUND DARLENE'S CASE - DEE AUDIO OF LAST RITES ON COURSE SET ''.
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Post by GhostVoice on Jul 21, 2021 15:51:31 GMT -8
Hartnell said the top was like a mortar board, didn't he?
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