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Post by Quoruma on Mar 1, 2016 17:36:37 GMT -8
Hi, guys - I hope I'm posting this in the right place.
I'm completely new to the Zodiac enigma. Anyway, being a Britisher, I was surprised to see the word 'posh' making an unencrypted appearance in the 340. It looked strange. So, I Googled it and came across the backronym 'Port Out, Starboard Home'. I wonder if this might be a clue to decrypting the cipher - instructions to a specific navigational route through it, perhaps? It seems a lot of people think the 340 isn't a straight substitution cipher, so it seems like an interesting concept. I've no idea how the theory could be applied, though. Any ideas?
Also, it's already been suggested that Z was influenced by Tim Holt comics, but what about Chitty Chitty Bang Bang? The movie was released in 1968, and Zodiac mailed the 340 in November, 1969. So the dates seem convenient.
Chitty Chitty Bang Bang contains the song 'Posh':
'O the posh posh traveling life, the traveling life for me First cabin and captain's table regal company Pardon the dust of the upper crust - fetch us a cup of tea Port out, starboard home, posh with a capital P-O-S-H, posh'
What do you reckon - something or nothing?
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Mar 2, 2016 0:46:11 GMT -8
Post by Ricardo on Mar 2, 2016 0:46:11 GMT -8
I'm completely new to the Zodiac enigma. Anyway, being a Britisher, I was surprised to see the word 'posh' making an unencrypted appearance in the 340. It looked strange. So, I Googled it and came across the backronym 'Port Out, Starboard Home'. I wonder if this might be a clue to decrypting the cipher - instructions to a specific navigational route through it, perhaps? It seems a lot of people think the 340 isn't a straight substitution cipher, so it seems like an interesting concept. I've no idea how the theory could be applied, though. Any ideas? Also, it's already been suggested that Z was influenced by Tim Holt comics, but what about Chitty Chitty Bang Bang? The movie was released in 1968, and Zodiac mailed the 340 in November, 1969. So the dates seem convenient. Chitty Chitty Bang Bang contains the song 'Posh': 'O the posh posh traveling life, the traveling life for me First cabin and captain's table regal company Pardon the dust of the upper crust - fetch us a cup of tea Port out, starboard home, posh with a capital P-O-S-H, posh' What do you reckon - something or nothing? Did the Zodiac killer talk posh? The timing fits with the “Posh” song in the movie “Chitty Chitty Bang Bang” which was released December 18, 1968, in the United States. The first confirmed murders by the Zodiac killer were committed on December 20, 1968. www.imdb.com/title/tt0062803/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_dt_dtWe know the Zodiac killer was interested in movies (Badlands, The Exorcist) and songs (The Mikado). Posh - with lyrics (Chitty Chitty Bang Bang)
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Mar 2, 2016 7:12:06 GMT -8
Post by Rubislaw32 on Mar 2, 2016 7:12:06 GMT -8
I would not wish to burst anyone's balloon,but the ''many'' three and four character words that appear on the 408 and 340,are more than probably,by chance.One ''only'' has to ''re-create'' ciphers similar to Zodiac's,too see how easily chance can conspire to fool us.
However,there are incidences where Zodiac clearly attempted to ''persuade'' us.The construction of the ''my name is - '' cipher,for instance,with its ''Want to know name'' appearance,when placed upside down.Also,the 1990 Celebrity Cipher,with its ''address like'' left hand side,and ''OAKLAND'' town designation,that fools almost everyone,immediately.
In examining the solution to the 408,one is drawn to a vertical word,that appears : ''BELLY''
Now ''BELLY'' is a five letter word,which increases the ''ante'' considerably,in probability terms.But why ''BELLY'' ? It isn't ''BELLI'',as in Melvin Belli.
Again,more than probably,a mere coincidence.
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Mar 2, 2016 10:09:10 GMT -8
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Post by Quorum on Mar 2, 2016 10:09:10 GMT -8
I would not wish to burst anyone's balloon,but the ''many'' three and four character words that appear on the 408 and 340,are more than probably,by chance. Alas, 'tis so! The more one looks, the more one 'finds'! I really wish I had a brain for mathematics, as the two 4 character pivots in the 340 seem really interesting. From what I've read so far, the probability of those occurring naturally is quite miniscule. But, no - my brain and maths do not get along! Anyway, I'm now going to be haunted by nightmares of Z singing 'Posh'...
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Mar 2, 2016 16:04:13 GMT -8
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Post by Quorum on Mar 2, 2016 16:04:13 GMT -8
Thanks again! Nice to meet you, too. Anyway, yes. From the evidence I've presented thus far, a number of things are now absolutely certain. 1.) The criminal was posh. Thus, it is a matter of indisputable fact that the offending party was a top hatted, monacle wearing, caped, cane (Kane) twirling, mustachioed Englishman, possessed of impeccable breeding, exquisite table manners and a distinctive laugh. 2) Not only was he posh, he lived POSH. The motto Port Out, Starboard Home guided his every excursion. Naturally, this led to problems - the breakdown of his marriage, and sanity. 3) Armed with the above hard evidence, I was able solve the ciphers and uncover the perpetrator. 4) Not convinced? Buy my book! But, seriously - I'm still a little curious about the whole 'posh' thing. Admittedly, this is because I'm a complete amateur with no mathematical or cryptographic knowledge - little surface details appeal because they're accessible!
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Mar 3, 2016 11:26:57 GMT -8
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Mar 3, 2016 11:26:57 GMT -8
It's an interesting theory,Quorum.Actually,it ''almost'' looks like an extended ''word'' - ''COWPOSH'' [?].
It is possible that Zodiac applied some ''last minute tinkering'' for self-amusement [?]
Some of these ''semi-derogatory'' words are derived from ''humble'' origins - with POSH,a case in point.Also ''WOG'',which stands for Wiley Oriental Gentleman.In addition,''BURKE'' - which originates from the ''Burke's peerage'' book of British landed gentry.
The distinguished actor Alec Guinnes served as a secretary to a Battleship Captain,during WW2.Each morning the Captain would unlock a draw to his desk,and examine a piece of paper,before going about his duties.Curiosity got the better of Guinnes when,one day the Captain's keys had been left behind.Guinnes hastily unlocked the draw,to read what was on the piece of paper.
It said : PORT IS ON THE LEFT,AND STARBOARD IS ON THE RIGHT.
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Mar 3, 2016 13:00:33 GMT -8
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Post by Quorum on Mar 3, 2016 13:00:33 GMT -8
Yeah, I'm pretty convinced he worked a few quirks into the final code. Differentiating between genuine clues, and intentional red herrings is the eternal problem! He certainly loved playing games and teasing.
It's interesting 'YOB' runs just beneath 'POSH', too. Two unencrypted British slang terms right next to each other - what are the chances?
'BURKE' reminds of the infamous Edinburgh Body Snatchers, too. There's actually a strip club in Edinburgh called 'Burke and Hare' - someone has a weird sense of humour!
Interesting story about the Captain, too! I can quite belive it: I'm slightly similar - always takes me a moment to figure out left from right! Still, slightly worrying in a Captain!
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Mar 3, 2016 15:57:11 GMT -8
Post by Rubislaw32 on Mar 3, 2016 15:57:11 GMT -8
Yes...a ''Posh Yob'' is possibly how Zodiac saw himself [?].A ''Stylish lout''.He was certainly into ''self-importance''[!].
It's the anti-social part that law abiding people can't get their heads around - hence ''sociopath'' or ''psychopath'' [?].
Interesting that you should mention Edinburgh,Quorum - and ''Burke and Hare''.They laid down their lives,for the advancement of Physiology - and a few quid,at the gallows.I presume that the strip club is frequented mostly by medical students,whose ''poison of choice'' is formaldehyde infused beer - i.e. Larger [?].
Perhaps if you are ''Athens of the North''based,you might like to keep an eye on what Police Scotland are up to,as referred in ''Zodiac in other countries''[?].
In Victorian times,Edinburgh was the scientific and cultural capital of the world.
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Mar 5, 2016 2:30:00 GMT -8
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Post by Quorum on Mar 5, 2016 2:30:00 GMT -8
Yes - in some ways, medical students would be the most 'wholesome' customers I can imagine! I've never been in, myself.
And yes - I'm in the Athens of North from time to time. Beautiful city - but quite morbid! Was once voted most gothic city outside Transylvania! I shall keep an eye on the news...
Hmm, the Zodiac certainly did like to market himself: his own 'brand' symbol, etc. So, as you suggest, at most 'yob' and 'posh' probably represent a bit of semi subtle image promotion!
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Mar 5, 2016 16:03:40 GMT -8
Post by WelshChappie on Mar 5, 2016 16:03:40 GMT -8
Well by all accounts He didn't speak nor sound like a posh One. Slover doesn't recount 'subject stated 'Hellewww My good Lady, May One report a most horrid travesty, what what what?'
Slover only recalled she could distinguish no trace of accent in subjects voice and that He spoke in a kind of Monotone.
That's consistent with Hartnell who said His attacker had a weird drawl, not like a sounthern drawl or accent, but something He couldn't quite put his finger on and explain. In 2007 He refers to Zodiac by saying: "He had a precise Cadence to His Voice, not an accent, but very slow and measured. It had a real distinctive tone about it to where I told cops if I ever heard that voice again I'd recognize it. I haven't heard it again."
He also said, when asked did He think His attacker was an educated man? "Oh God No."
The reference though, or placement of the two words posh and yob has been something that has made me stop and wonder why it's there. It cant be that He himself didn't see it there. I've always wondered if He is hinting at or making A reference to Tosh as in Toschi. I don't think we'll ever know what, if anything, is written behind the cipher symbols. Many of the best cryptographers over the years have tried to break it and find the key, but have repeatedly failed. I mean after the first 408 code was broken, we learned something crucial!! We learned that He had just encrypted a message that was a complete raving non useful rant which it was a total waste of time encrypting.
"I like Killing people because i'm a F*c*ing lunatic. Man is more dangerous than animal in the afterlife because collection of slaves. E B, OH E B . SOMETHING ABOUT HIPPIE"
The Posh Boy
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Mar 5, 2016 20:58:32 GMT -8
Post by Rubislaw32 on Mar 5, 2016 20:58:32 GMT -8
These are interesting observations and ruminations,WelshChappie.
It seems that there is some ''mileage'' to be had out of ''Posh Yob''.Likely to have been a coincidence [algebraically] - but also,a possibility of a bit of tinkering from Zodiac.But not much more to it than this,since there is ''non specificity'' regarding its inclusion.
Lively minds are inclined to self-amuse [?].
It is only in the last,perhaps 40 years,that POSH has become anything remotely derogatory.My grandmother used to use the term regularly,and as a compliment,always.As in ''that's a posh frock that she is wearing''.My grandmother was from humble origins,and her ''class'' admired people that strove to do well for themselves,and acquire nice things in life.If a neighbor bought a nice suit,he would be encouraged to show it off to his fellow neighbors,for instance.
So,traditionally,POSH was ''complimentary'' and indicated ''acquiring style''.Unfortunately,it has somehow become confused with ''TOFF'' - a term for gentry or an aristocratic person,who would not be inclined to give the ''proletariat'' the time of day.
''YOB'' has its roots in Victorian London,specifically referring to a ''Yiddish Obstinate Boy''.This would not have been considered overtly racist - more derogatory in terms of the capacity of a youth to behave badly.
So,even in the late sixties, ''POSH YOB'' would be seen as ''Stylishly attired lout''.Something akin to the gang in Anthony Burgess's ''A Clockwork Orange''.
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Mar 6, 2016 3:37:01 GMT -8
Post by WelshChappie on Mar 6, 2016 3:37:01 GMT -8
Yob in Today's World, at least in this part of the World, simply means a person (Almost Always A Youth under 18) who is out on street drinking, vandalizing property, looking for fights etc.
I wouldn't class the term Posh or label anyone as such has ever been seen as derogatory or insulting. To me if I said "She sounds quite posh" is no different than saying 'She Sounds Dutch" and your simply referring to the way they speak.
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Mar 20, 2016 1:09:48 GMT -8
Post by Rubislaw32 on Mar 20, 2016 1:09:48 GMT -8
Indeed,WelshChappie,these are the realities of today,with ''Yob'' or ''Yobbo'' defined precisely as you have referred.Though Tottenham Hotspurs soccer supporters might take offense,since they are known traditionally to be predominantly Jewish,and often referred to as ''The Yids'' [!].
In addition,''Posh'' now referring to someone with a ''plummy'' accent - more associated with the [moneyed] ''Upper Middle Classes''.This in contrast to ''Middle Middle'' - the ''educated'' or bourgeoisie,and the ''Lower Middle'' - predominantly self-employed and shopkeepers.
Such are the nuances of the ''eccentric'' British class system [?].The ''Toffs'' being the ''Ruling Classes'' - with ''Toff'' being a shortened form of ''Toffee'' - on account that members of this class,sound as if they are chewing a toffee,when talking [!].
I had a girlfriend from the moneyed class,who was forever complaining that strangers would note her ''plummy'' accent.So I suggested she just retort with : ''oh!,and you seem to sound quite 'common' ''.''Common'' is where you ''just don't go'' in society,since it infers that the person is ''Working Class''.After all,a ''Posh'' person can always ''cry all the way to a bank'' [?!].
Back to reality....yes,Zodiac may well have seen himself as a ''Posh Yob''.Perhaps the ''grey suited gentleman'' at Darlene Ferrin's pot party...oops !I actually meant ''Paint Party''.
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Apr 29, 2016 10:29:33 GMT -8
Post by Rubislaw32 on Apr 29, 2016 10:29:33 GMT -8
Given that this section has focused on the word ''POSH'' as a possible example of Zodiac's ''playfulness'' in tinkering with the presentation of his ciphers,we could expand this particular example,beyond even,the expression ''POSH YOB''.
Perhaps,what we are confronting,in total,is :
POSH BOYOB
So,an alternative could be ''POSH BOY'' [?].
Or even, ''POSH BOYO'' [?].
''BOYO'' is a colloquial word,used predominantly,by English speaking Welshmen,as a reference to their fellow male of the species.
Perhaps this could be seen as adding credence to a report of an unknown Zodiac suspect,as being of ''Welsh ancestry'',following the murder of Paul Stine [?].
Was Zodiac a ''posh boyo'' ?
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Dec 13, 2016 23:02:30 GMT -8
Post by PowerLord on Dec 13, 2016 23:02:30 GMT -8
posh was no accident,navy,seabee. Nam,leave,port hueneme,the two killed close to there.....
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