Z never said he was born in 1924 or was Jewish. (Those may not even be "circled eights.") That is an interpretation of the "My Name Is" by Harvey Hines that is being stated as fact. Harvey looked at letters something like "eight letters to the left" of the existing one and got "Name Kane." He also ARBITRARILY stated that the way Zodiac wanted you to use the "upside down Aries" symbol was to IGNORE that sign completely and just start at the end of the year and go back eight symbols to get "Taurus," which was Kane's birth sign. However, there was nothing in the code that said that "Aries" means you go to the end of the year and count backwards eight symbols. That was done because that is how you got to "Taurus." Very subjective. Why didn't Z just use a Capricorn sign, so you could go eight to the left and get Taurus? That would have made sense.
Also, Lyndon Lafferty, although this has not been made public to date, went in the opposite direction from what Harvey did (i.e., LL went eight letters to the right) and got GRANT. So there are two different and equally defensible interpretations of this code using the supposed number eight and going to the left or the right that give a different answer that matches one of the suspects--Kane and Grant. Therefore, each is USELESS as evidence because they cancel each other out. Also, there is again no proof that those are "circled eights" to begin with. and if you wish to aregue that they are Taurus symbols that point to Kane, then you can't ALSO say they are "circled eights" that provide a clue to his name. They're one or the other.
Post by WelshChappie on Aug 18, 2014 5:07:36 GMT -8
I am not claiming Z ever did say he was Jewish, or that he was born in 1924, the Documents are what they are. It's Vallejo PD Captain Conway that you would need to question or ask to justify these comments. I cannot answer on his behalf or answer for him. However, certain comments within the documents suggest that the re-opening of the Zodiac investigation because of suspect Kane was not done simply on the word of Hines. For example, the document states that: 'Investigation has placed Kaye in the locales where several of the Zodiac victims either lived, or were killed.'
I was going to suggest that this statement implies that they looked into the allegations made by Hines, and fact-checked some of his claims but it doesn't simply imply this, the document specifically and categorically confirms it by starting the sentence with 'Investigation..." Now Harvey Hines report does not mention nor make the claim that Kane can be placed in the locality where several of the victims were killed or resided. This simply must be the result of Vallejo PD's own work and the wording of 'Investigation has placed Kaye....' would also seem to support this idea.
No matter what the specifics, Vallejo PD were suspicious of this new suspect and the circumstantial evidence against him for them to Officially re-open their Investigation into The Zodiac Case, a full 21 years after the last known and confirmed murder carried out by the unknown assailant. As you know, to get any police agency to re-open a 2 decade old cold case is difficult to say the least, they almost always have to have some new evidence or valid reason to re-open an investigation in order to justify using their limited resources to investigate a cold case and that's why I say Vallejo PD must have looked into Hines claims and found them to have merit which, in turn, saw them agree to re-activate their long time inactive cold case.
I didn't say that you were implying that Z said he was Jewish or born in 1924. I am simply giving context to what I read because it is very misleading and implies that Z himself stated these things when it was Harvey Hines who said them based on his subjective interpretation of the My Name Is code.
Post by WelshChappie on Aug 18, 2014 14:35:30 GMT -8
"Those may not even be "circled eights."
That is possible, they could be anything, I agree. However, to the naked eye and even under magnification, it does appear to be three number 8's each encased in a circle. And it isn't the only time that we find Zodiac referencing three eights, either. The very first time we hear from this killer, he writes three Bay Area Newspapers, and sends to each a section of Cipher, each newspaper receiving a section of EIGHT lines each. Eight lines each, the total number of lines in the cipher is, most obviously, Twenty-Four.
So I do not believe the three 'My Name Is' symbols are representative of Star Signs or anything other than what they most likely appear to be, three eights. Zodiac said in relation to that three part cipher: "In this Cipher is my identity." Again, that Cipher he refers to was split into Three sections, each of which contained Eight lines that total Twenty-Four and the 'My Name Is' line of code, also appears to point to three Eights and possibly 24 being relevant. Personally, I think the three Eights in the My Name Is message are a subtle hint or clue to go back to the three sections of eight lines in the original cipher to find his identity like he said in the original letter 'In this Cipher is my Identity.'
Post by WelshChappie on Aug 21, 2014 6:34:13 GMT -8
I've been in contact recently with Destry Hines, the Son of the Detective who originally investigated Kane, Harvey Hines. Destry has been kind enough to email me Kane's Booking prints along with a copy of a set of prints found and lifted from Bryan Hartnell's Karmann Ghia. Before sending me both Kane's prints and those lifted from Bryan's Vehicle, Destry told me:
"The one thing I have that hasn't been published at all (that I'm aware of) is a set of booking prints from Kane around the same time as the Lake Berryessa murders that to me and my dad matched the prints on the Karmann Ghia. There wern't enough print detail to confirm it when we took them t othe Vallejo PD but it didn't exclude him either. To me, having 4 prints from the same hand that match as closely as they do is confirmation enough."
Anecdotal. So compelling that I have to ask you this: Did Harvey mention this in his 15 page report (which is not as "packed full of facts" as the number of pages might suggest given the amount of spacing he used and the redundancies within it)? The answer is a deafening "No." If this print match had occurred, why did he omit it from his report, given how critical it might have been to see similarities between four fingers on one hand and the prints on the cab?
There is a video on one of the old TV shows from the 1990s of Kane in his later years walking around in house slippers outside his home. He is not stumbling along or walking with any noticeable limp or lumbering gait.
I might add that I have studied neurology in the past and brain injuries are extremely variable depending on exactly where they occur. That is because depending on where the injury takes place and the specific wiring of that person's brain, it can affect different nerves performing different functions. A lesion a few millimeters one way or another can miss some tracts of nerves and sever others. I doubt that every patient with an injury to the "frontal lobe" would exhibit exactly the same symptoms. Websites probably list all possible outcomes but what happens to an individual depends on the exact nature and location of the lesion.
Post by WelshChappie on Aug 22, 2014 15:35:10 GMT -8
"There is a video on one of the old TV shows from the 1990s of Kane in his later years walking around in house slippers outside his home. He is not stumbling along or walking with any noticeable limp or lumbering gait. "
And I know why you didn't notice any gait, lumbering or otherwise, because in this clip you are referring to Kane's feet are filmed for 3 to 4 seconds with the only 'Gait' seen is his placing on foot forward before the camera cuts away. I don't mind or shy away from anyone refuting or questioning something I have said, but misrepresenting the truth/evidence in order to claim something as a fact is not going to help to diminish Kane as a suspect because if you have a 'fact' built on lies and vastly exaggerated statements then that fact is is not a fact at all, but simply the same as that on which it is based, a complete non truth that when tested for it's accuracy, will crumble into nothing.
"I might add that I have studied neurology in the past and brain injuries are extremely variable depending on exactly where they occur." "
Yes, I don't believe i've attempted to claim anything to the contrary? What I have done, however, is offer the more common symptoms or side effects seen in someone who has a left frontal injury, the Left Lobe being the area of the Brain that deals with language and speech production and the filter for that speech, and how the Frontal lobes also are associated with Motor Function and Control.
I would say in support of what I have stated in relation to Frontal Lobe Damage that any reader can Google for themselves "Left Frontal Lobe Injury/Damage symptoms" and I guarntee you that if not every single site, then at least 98% of them, will tell readers that left lobe damage is very commonly associated with Speech difficulties and many professional neurologists I have read even state clearly and precisely that the person may be left sounding as if to speak in a monotone.
I also challenge readers to do their own research and have a look how many websites authored by Brain Surgeon's and Neurologists that don't list and associate the symptom of gait/walk being effected by injury to the left frontal lobe. Again, you'll do well to find one that doesn't associate the symptom with the Injury.
The claims I have made about the Left Lobe and symptoms resulting from damage to it, are all scientific and proven. I have never stated, nor would I just to try and further my own agenda, that "Larry Kane walked with an odd shuffling gait without question" because I simply don't know that. What I am attempting to convey,both on my website and here, is that Kane is the only one of the top serious suspects that has sustained an injury that is associated with the very symptoms that are seen and described in the personality/physical characteristics of the Zodiac Killer.
What i have always stated, a statement and opinion held that I stand by 100% is this: Of the known top suspects in this case, there is only one who has a Medically recognised Condition that, in the majority of people suffering Traumatic Brain Injuries, resutls in these very symptoms, and his name is Lawrence Kane/Cane. A a possible monotone sounding speech, along with possible unsteady Gait or shuffle walking motion, Lacks Impulse control, enjoys being tactless and childish with a co-existing inflated ego and etc etc etc and etc! He has frontal left lobe damage and the left lobe, as I have already factually stated, is charged with speech and language production and the filter for that speech is (the transformation of words from Brain signal to actual verbal spoken word) has been disrupted and damaged which means the person knows exactly what it is they wish to say, but saying it is very difficult for patients as the frontal lobe's connections to the relevant body part are torn or seriously incapacitated at least.
Injury to the frontal lobes will also tend to either cause limb weakness on the right side of the body should damage occur to the left Lobe, an vice versa, which often causes an odd gait. It can also be a general loss of coordination and balance that causes Brain Injured patients to widen their gate to offer a more stable and solid stance, and shuffle slightly due to their likel-hood of staggering, stumbling or even falling over altogether in some cases, due to the brain's inability to coordinate simple movements of the bodies limb functions.
Logic will follow logic, and reason follow reason. It is logical & most reasonable, when faced with a pool of suspects such as we have here, to believe that if Zodiac is described by witness as having several physical and noticeable oddities such as sounding as though reading from a script/Monotone, and an unsteady and shuffling gait and obvious anti-social personality traits with impulse control inhibited and indulging in risky behaviour while seemingly lacking the ability to assess that level of risk and every other mental impairment that fit's Zodiac's known behaviours while also fitting all the criteria of someone with a Brain Injury then, to my mind, it's more than reasonable, the most logical by far also, is that if then it be discovered that one of the known serious suspects has A Brain Injury to the Frontal Region, an Injury that has exactly these collection of visible and audible side effects as a result, then it's by far the more likely probability that thus man is this offender, at least way over and above your Rik Marshall's and Gaikowski's of the suspects list.
As I state in the very first sentence on my website regarding Kane: Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth. And the truth of something does not depend on what you and I may want it, or would prefer it to be. The truth care's nothing for what you and I would hope or like it to be, it simply is what it is and that which is truth today, was truth yesterday and will remain the same tomorrow also.
Post by WelshChappie on Aug 22, 2014 16:39:19 GMT -8
And if anyone wants cares to view this very short, 1 minute clip of the Frontal Lobe's functions and what symptoms are commonly seen after injury to the Frontal region, here's a professional reiterating what I say above:
Post by WelshChappie on Aug 22, 2014 21:01:14 GMT -8
I always use a analogy of something like.....
If today, I go to the pet store and after being in there a minute or two hear "Hello" come from my left and I turn to see a tropical bird, brightly coloured and standing in a dome shaped cage, and it repeatedly says "Hello" over and over, then what is the most logical assumption to make as to the identity of this talking bird based on it's apparent multiple colours, it's ability to speak, and the fact it's house in a bird cage?
What would bystanders in this same shop react like if I turned to the Pet Store owner and excitedly declared "What an intelligent Barn Owl you have over here, how much is he please?"
Laughter, that's the likely reaction to anyone hearing me declare my belief that this bird is an Owl. I mean, I don't have it's DNA to prove conclusively that this bird is actually a parrot but I don't need it, it has the right colourful look, it's observed doing that of which is characteristic of it's species, ie talking, and has a mirror for it's own company.
If it looks like a parrot, if it acts consistent with the known characteristics of a parrot, and lives in a cage like a parrot then other's may declare it an Eagle if they wish, but that is not consistent with how this particular bird acts and looks.
I stand by what I said. Unless someone comes along and says that Kane had noticeable difficulty walking as part of what happened to him, I am not willing to concede based on even the video I saw that he did. I am not questioning what the POSSIBLE injuries are in frontal lobe injury. I am trying to figure out exactly what symptoms Kane actually exhibited. I just went through Harvey's report again. Harvey supposedly did years of research on Kane. And yet he doesn't refer to even one person saying that Kane had trouble walking or problems with speech or expressing himself in writing. Had he encountered such a person giving such a description, I assume he would have included this information in about two seconds given its extreme relevance to his case, instead of bolstering the number of his points by repeating things over and over.
Henceforth, I will only discuss my own work on my own suspect. I don't need to get into a public pissing war about Kane or anyone else. VPD made it clear that they don't believe that he was Z and even the lethargic Bruton interviewed Kane in about 1999 and he did not say anything incriminating. (In contrast, SFPD said that KQ's DNA ruled him out in 2002 and by 2012 they had distanced themselves from their precious DNA and the Chief was reading my report.) Compare that interview by Bruton to the one I did with KQ, where he lied to me repeatedly. Nobody should try to tell me or anyone else that Kane "should have had" this symptom or "may very well have had" that symptom unless they have PROOF that he did. That is what this game is about--proving what you say. But if someone believes he was Z, I respect their right to believe that to be the case.
Post by WelshChappie on Sept 9, 2014 15:19:26 GMT -8
Well Mike, I respect your right to have/hold any opinion that you wish and one's that are at odds with a belief I have. I prefer to discuss and accept ach others opinions in a mature, grown up way (that's not to imply you were not) as there are already within this Zodiac 'Community' too many people who believe they have solved this case and if anyone should come at them with contradictory evidence, or Holy Blasphemy against he that was called Zodiac it seeems to these people, they start throwing their toys out of their prams and stamping their feet in a temper tantrum or sticking their proverbial fingers in their ears going "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA.....Cant hear what your saying."
Too many very shallow and egocentric people in our little Z Community seem to operate on the assumption that where two people hold opposite views or opinion, they cannot work together to bring about a general and mutual new piece of evidence for example. That idea is lunacy. It's simple to put aside personal differences, to beat back ego, and to have the intellectual capacity to listen to and respect what another has to offer without necessarily agreeing with it.
Some others who have been entrusted to run and moderate chat forums seem to have felt that they personally will decided what I can and cannot say in response to another's direct insult thrown in my direction. I was then, like some Court-room guilty party, handed down a sentence of 6 hours chat ban, and told by the Judge that I was also 'Obnoxious.'
I wept for 5 days straight with self pity and self disgust at my pathetic obnoxious little self. Oh, no I didn't sorry, I told them to exchange chat restriction for site ban and if they wish to take away my right to speak, especially in response to a charge, then I politely asked they go fuck themselves, with respect one must add, hehe.
Post by WelshChappie on Sept 10, 2014 7:56:12 GMT -8
As you see, I resigned from this Dictatorship like censoring of my right to speak freely. The final exchange before logging out saw The Mod's ask me
Site Member: "Are you leaving us, Welsh One?" Me: "You want answers?" SM: "I wan't the truth..." Me: "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH."
But I have to tell them, and they'll hate me, but the pace isn't any slower. It's just one big continuance. And in answer to several members asking for my possible return, I shall be even more Happy to supply an obnoxious response of "Website Mod's make nice targets, I think I shall wipe out a Web-Mod one morning. Just shoot out the upfront Liar and then pick of the website Blue Meanies as they come bouncing out....
As someday it may happen that some Site-Mod may be found, I've got a little list, I've got a little list. The Zodiac Offender who comes up from under ground, New name are on the list, my lovely little list. There's narcissistic fantasist's with delusion's of hierarchy, Their elevated sense of self amuses a brat like me. The idiotic group decides their ego's must persist, but soon they shall discover these illusions don't exist, they never did exist. The obnoxious one who's end-game this time has a little twist, from crack-proof claim's to cryptic game's you simply can't resist, do play them I'll Insist. For when you see coming from above a bank of greyish mist, you'll see the name to end this game, and still none will be missed. "
This song could be wrote for he that walked behind the roads at that Lake called Berryessa:
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