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Post by Ricardo on Sept 7, 2014 20:51:37 GMT -8
Here is a video that was posted by Joao Luis on YouTube recently.
It was recorded near the St. Vincent De Paul store in Daly City on October 22, 1969.
Do you think that there is any reason to think that the person walking in the background could have been the Zodiac killer?
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Post by Sandy on Sept 10, 2014 18:27:07 GMT -8
I wish I could see it, but each time I get a message : An error occured please try again later. I went to You Tube and received the same message
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Post by Zamantha on Sept 15, 2014 12:16:27 GMT -8
I can see it, it's just a quick 3 seconds. Not sure why someone thought it was the Z ?
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Post by WelshChappie on Sept 15, 2014 18:31:34 GMT -8
I can see it, it's just a quick 3 seconds. Not sure why someone thought it was the Z ? Glad I wasn't the only one wondering the same thing. Lol.
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Post by WelshChappie on Sept 20, 2014 10:38:04 GMT -8
Found where this clip comes from. It is a news report outside the location where the 'Zodiac' had said he'd meet Mel Belli. The caller wasn't Zodiac it turned out, but Eric Weil. But here the entire news segment anyway:
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Jul 27, 2015 21:35:15 GMT -8
All part of the folklore,I suppose....that Zodiac might be identified in person,as if he were California's ''Bigfoot'' - or even ''The Abominable Snowman''.
It only engenders more myth,and possibly more names [?].
''Size 10 1/2 foot'',for instance [?].
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Aug 2, 2015 0:39:13 GMT -8
Given that most of those [us],who take more than a passing interest in Zodiac,understand that he could never be spotted in person,one wonders why the lady in the first clip wasn't arrested for stalking an innocent [?].
If there is any potential talent that Zodiac displayed,it was for being an illusionist.He would have just had to have brushed up a bit on his ''talk the talk'' - then find a good theatrical agent [?].
If there is any serious point to be made here...time,time and time again,Zodiac's persona is mistaken for the real person.
A troubled man,with a vicious streak.Plus a few gaping holes in his frontal lobes,where brain matter should be [?].
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Post by Sandy on Aug 3, 2015 12:02:20 GMT -8
All part of the folklore,I suppose....that Zodiac might be identified in person,as if he were California's ''Bigfoot'' - or even ''The Abominable Snowman''. It only engenders more myth,and possibly more names [?]. ''Size 10 1/2 foot'',for instance [?]. Welcome to this site rubislaw32. Are you saying that the shoe print is not factual ?
I for one do not believe that there is any cover up in the Zodiac case, if they knew who Zodiac is / was that , I am pretty sure we would hear something.
I agree that they can't do much with out real evidence.
Sadly there is some real evidence that they haven't done anything about, because of the kooks that claim their father or step father was Zodiac.
Real information falls on deaf ears because of these kooks.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Aug 3, 2015 14:20:02 GMT -8
Thank you for your welcome,Sandy....
No,I am not saying that the shoe print is not factual...it most certainly is...it is what is referred to as ''deadpan humor'' - ''Bigfoot'' rolls off the tongue,but ''Size 10 1/2 foot'' does not.Also,that folk will think that ''Size 10 1/2 foot'' is a plainly daft name - albeit factual.
Certainly,I agree that there is no cover up.But,in some cases of long standing cold status,the actual identity may have not been established,but the means to finding it is known - but authorities are unable to proceed in attaining that specific identity,without a further helping hand.Perhaps a bit of a ''cryptic'' explanation...but that's the best I can do,at the moment.
Indeed,the kooks and cranks can impede the serious process...but all one can hope for,with The Zodiac case,is that resources are still active at Federal level,and that intent to solve the case is still serious.I saw a clip,a while ago,of a law enforcement civil servant being asked why his department had failed to answer requests from Lyndon Lafferty.Although appearing a little embarrassed,the civil servant seemed entirely confident with ''the matter in hand'' - so on balance,I think the authorities are only too aware that The Zodiac case is still a thorn in their side...and that the Website community,plus various media outlets,are doing what they can to assist the process of a successful outcome [?].
If we assume that 1950 is the last year that Zodiac could have been born,there is still another 25 years to go,before an actual person may no longer be brought to justice,if still alive now [?].
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Post by Sandy on Aug 4, 2015 12:37:58 GMT -8
Thank you for clearing that up. I a confidant that Zodiac is still alive and is still doing his "Thing". He isn't always truthful , but like he told all of us on 11-9-69, his pace isn't any slower, he will continue to kill but will not announce it.
Although "someone" claiming to be Zodiac has tried to announce to Pittsburg Ca. Police , that he is the killer of 12 females in the late 80's to the mid 90's .
An anonymous phone call was made to the police telling them where the body of one of those victims could be found. Andrea Ingersol was with my daughter the night she disappeared Nov 11th 1992. That was the same day I chased my suspect for about a half a mile. On Nov 15th 1992 he shot at me in a tunnel. I don't believe in too many coincidences. It was almost 23 yrs to the day that Zodiac sent his Nov 9th 69 letter. I do have my hopes up that he will be caught this year !
It is very much like what we know Zodiac has done in the past. Unfortunately the police didn't take it seriously.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Aug 4, 2015 14:34:45 GMT -8
Yes,Sandy,it's very worrying how many victims,after 1970,that may be the responsibility of Zodiac - or a small band of conspirators that constitute the phenomenon of ''Zodiac''[?].It could have been a ''dare'' club,with each member taking their turn [?].
On the surface,the perpetrator at Lake Berryessa does not seem to be the same person that murdered Paul Stine [?].Even if he was the ''one and only'' Zodiac,Paul Stine's murderer showed brazen cockiness,hanging around the crime scene,in an urban area.One senses that he was confident that someone was waiting to spirit him away quickly - a getaway driver,perhaps [?].
But there is also the ''inevitable'' copycat theory [?].Rod Laver's exploits spawned a whole generation of great Australian tennis players,and Sugar Ray Leonard,a generation of great American middle-weight boxers - so it would be unsurprising to find that Zodiac's deeds have left a legacy in California.History teaches us that young men without prospects,are a scourge on the world [!].
Prospects of Zodiac being unmasked ? I believe them to be good - particularly in the light of extraordinary advances in DNA technology - which have improved by a factor of up to 24,in just 10 years.It's just that investigations have moved out of California,and reside very much,in Washington DC,these days.
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Post by Sandy on Aug 4, 2015 19:40:38 GMT -8
Quote from rubislaw : I believe them to be good - particularly in the light of extraordinary advances in DNA technology - which have improved by a factor of up to 24,in just 10 years.It's just that investigations have moved out of California,and reside very much,in Washington DC,these days.
What makes you think that investigations have moved to Washington DC ?
I have reason to believe the case is still here in Calif. and that there are cold case Det. in Calif. who still work the Zodiac case.
My hopes are high that it will be solved soon !
As far as a body count, I have been given clues along with a map ,that there are more than 70 murders Zodiac is responsible for.
I do believe that there were at least two working in tandem. The one at Lake B., I don't believe was the same one that killed Paul Stine. One prefers knives, the other guns. One is larger than the other by several pounds and a few inches. That is not meant to be stated as a fact, it is only what I believe.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Aug 5, 2015 11:21:05 GMT -8
Hi Sandy...we appear to be on the same page of the Hymn sheet with respect to boundaries of speculation - yes,it is very possible that there was more than one ''Zodiac''.Also,like you,I believe there were just two.
You may believe that they were equal partners [?].Personally,my feelings are that there was ''Zodiac'' - the architect of letters and ''deeds'',and a ''compliant'' accomplice,who shared in the ''action''.
Indeed,there still exists ''pockets'' of State investigations in California,but from recent experiences which I cannot go into at this time,anything emerging that appears significant to the case,is referred to ''washington''.Who is to know,precisely the reason,but I think it just a bi-product of ''sensible'' funding and resources.It is not something to lose sleep over,if you might be concerned that your voice is not being heard - it will be if what you have to contribute,is deemed ''significant''.
It almost goes without saying...but ''to-day''- in the light of modern day terrorism,Homeland security is ''Number 1'' - and everything else,has to find its place,in terms of priorities [?].
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Post by Sandy on Aug 5, 2015 15:05:40 GMT -8
Yes rubislaw32, We seem to be on the same page, if not at least a paragraph or two. My evidence sounds too good to be true so it may never be looked at. I keep it at the bank in a safety deposit box for safe keeping, in case someone new to the case wants to check what I have out. The blood evidence I have ,that I believe is a mixture of Hartnell's and Cecilia's blood , will prove that I am not making up some story to get my 15 min of fame.
I would never do that to the victims families first of all and I would not want to ruin my reputation with made up lies.
If a person lies even once they will never be believed. That happened to someone very close to the case.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Aug 5, 2015 16:38:24 GMT -8
So what are you keeping the blood evidence for,Sandy ? I am sure that anything that might expedite a conclusion to the case,would be welcome by the victims' families [?].
Indeed,it is important to retain integrity,when assisting law enforcement - my feelings are that anyone connected,can go and write their stories ''after'' someone is made accountable and answerable for the crime.
But why wait,Sandy,if you have faith in your judgement ? That ''rainy day'' may never come.
Just do it.
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