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Post by MikeR on Nov 15, 2014 22:33:51 GMT -8
Hi-
A few years ago, someone I have known for fifteen years now through the case and whose integrity is beyond question told me something. The problem is that this item was passed along to him by a buddy of his who was in the military prior to the Zodiac era. And we have no idea as to what his credibility is. I want to stress that I have no way of verifying this and neither does my friend. However, I pass it along as food for thought and possible research into a timeline for Mr. Harden prior to becoming a teacher.
My friend's buddy said he flew helicopters in the military and that he flew people around to various places. He said that he knew who Don Harden was and that he had flown him in his helicopter. He said that Mr. Harden was ex-NSA.
That is all I know. However, given how quickly they were able to force a solution to the 408 and the possibility that he merely deflected credit to Bettye's "sticktoitiveness" in order to throw people off the scent, this might begin to make sense.
As I said, just food for thought. I am not stating this as fact. I was told this four or five years ago.
Mike
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Post by Zamantha on Nov 16, 2014 22:05:41 GMT -8
Interesting, Thanks for sharing MikeR. Now, I'm wondering who your friend was that gave you that information, true or false?
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Post by Ricardo on Nov 17, 2014 0:21:52 GMT -8
Thanks, Mike!
Even if the information relayed to you was believed by the helicopter flyer, there still could be a logical explanation to explain this rumor.
For example, maybe there was someone else who had the same name who was in the National Security Agency (NSA)?
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Post by MikeR on Nov 18, 2014 16:27:09 GMT -8
Sure it is possible. I do not know who the person was the helicopter pilot was referring to, or if he existed at all. Just seeing if the statement fits into anything anyone else may know.
Mike
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Post by WelshChappie on Nov 19, 2014 18:51:28 GMT -8
Well the credibility of a source or person unknown is, for me, secondary to the fact that the claim itself makes absolute sense in determining how Harden deciphered the Code over a weekend.
If the choice is between:
A) Harden's ability to solved this fairly complex substitution cipher can be shown to be from his experience from time spent working within the Intelligence Community/Branch of Gvmnt & specifically, the NSA, or...
B) Harden's ability to solve a fairly complex sub. Cipher is down to his securing a Ph.d in the science of 'Random guessing based on most unsafe assumptions being made as if they were rock-solid safe assumptions' at the University of 'Yeah, whatever mate' CA then I myself will make the rather basic assumption that of the above two options, option A is by far the more likely to be the correct answer.
Just my personal opinion obviously, but being the thoroughly obnoxious & arrogant character that I am (so it is alleged, anyway) then it's only my personal opinion that counts and matters. Any others to the contrary are simply incorrect & don't count.
Tomorrow I will require all members to log in wearing my button which states "WelshChap, the knower of everything."
;-) *Wink with grin, tongue placed in cheek.* (Have to add that as theres always one that will read it literal & reply 'You arrogant prick, i saw your ego coming half hour before you got here." :-)
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Post by WelshChappie on Jan 12, 2015 17:28:16 GMT -8
The Hardens Daughter states that her Mother, Bettye, felt as though she knew the killers mind, she knew what drove him to kill and other such strange, somewhat supernatural sounding, claims she had made.
Call me Cynical if you want, but Bettye's Daughter sounds like she's implying that her Mother knew the killer, his motives & the color of his socks....ok made that last one up!
The Daughter of The Hardens starts speaking at 4:30 into the clip below....
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Post by zydeco's ghost on May 30, 2015 1:13:49 GMT -8
Okay, it's 10am and I've been up all night watching these task force videos. Leslie Harper said something that could solve this case. Please tell me someone noticed.
I won't be able to sleep at all now. I wish I had a transcript to work on. (3 of them said odd things.) I don't want to say much in case I am shot instantly, for homicide of sacred cows.
I can't believe someone didn't notice what Leslie said. Anyone? Oh please, please don't think I'm trying to be cryptic, or a crazy smart-alec. I'm not. But my suspect is still alive, and the Zodiac group is above the law.
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Post by Ricardo on Jun 1, 2015 0:43:12 GMT -8
Zydeco,
Is there any possibility that your suspect could have known the Hardens?
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Post by Zydeco on Jun 1, 2015 15:54:08 GMT -8
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Post by Zydeco on Jun 1, 2015 15:54:55 GMT -8
Did I do that right? Beware the Hardens. (Allegedly.)
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Post by Zydeco on Jun 1, 2015 15:56:36 GMT -8
In my opinion, Leslie Harden gave the game away at the Task Force Meeting. Watch it again. Think.
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Post by Zydeco on Jun 1, 2015 18:07:35 GMT -8
Take a look at this. You'll have to scroll along to speed it up! Interesting if not a hoax.
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Post by Zydeco on Jun 1, 2015 18:18:55 GMT -8
And this.
And this.
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Post by Zydeco on Jun 1, 2015 18:40:40 GMT -8
I keep losing the site and having to restart my computer. Sorry. My last lost post was more of the same, but the BTL comments were more interesting!
Was Don Harden really a suspect, thought to be in a cult connected to Manson? Crucially, did he really change his story in 2007? Was the interview filmed? Was anyone with him who confirmed the new version?
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Post by Sandy on Jun 2, 2015 10:03:09 GMT -8
Thanks, Mike! Even if the information relayed to you was believed by the helicopter flyer, there still could be a logical explanation to explain this rumor. For example, maybe there was someone else who had the same name who was in the National Security Agency (NSA)? Very true Ricardo, I found several Donald Harden's this morning ,some were spelled Donald Hardin. I didn't find any military records for Donald Gene Harden. The ones that I did find who were in the military, were Donald R Harden born 1926, Donald M Harden born 1928, Donald W Harden born 1928. If Donald G Harden was in the NSA and had studied code, I don't understand why he would need to hide that ? I have a friend who was in the NSA, but learning code was not a part of his job.
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