Post by WelshChappie on Mar 3, 2016 15:10:42 GMT -8
The absconding from Taxi with intent (not to pay for it) is not the most serious offence, nor is First Degree Murder. No, the San Francisco Police Dpt. are listing the charges in order of seriousness and No.1 is:
Calling Inspector David Toschi a Pig, a Felony Offence with a maximum punishment of Life without parole.
You cannot allow people to refer to them Nice police People as Pigs, that's simply outrageous! Dirty Harry Dave still cries when you remind Him what Zodiac referred to him as.
An interesting point made,WelshChappie...that which they could charge Zodiac with - apart from Murder,Attempted Murder and Extortion [?].
So I take it that accusing the police of having their snouts in the trough,is top of the list [?].There is also impersonating a registered library user,to consider [?].Perhaps even trespassing on university premises.Also forcing a taxi driver to accept an unwanted tip - a bullet.
If the image of the Green Room at San Quentin is ever dangled in front of Zodiac,I suspect he will plead guilty to most charges placed before him [?].
Post by WelshChappie on Mar 6, 2016 6:04:41 GMT -8
Well I never did quite understand the FBI documents, well some of them anyway, stating:
TO: FBI LATENT DPT.
RE: ZODIAC - EXTORTION.
He threatened the papers if they didn't print what He had sent He would do something nasty and that you could define in Legal terms as terrorist threats or blackmail but Extortion? I could be wrong, and because Extortion is the listed offence I must be, but when I think of the word or crime of Extortion, immediately I think of extorting something from another such as money, property, any thing that I at the person extorting another want from another.
Zodiac never said, to my knowledge anyway, Print this Cipher on your front page now, and give me 25 grand or i'll blow up The Chronicle Building. I suppose though the Law is open to interpretation by the lawmaker's though so if they decide 'He's extorted the reputation SFPD Patrol Cops having the audacity to tell the truth in relation to an event we are concealing, and does so with "Doesn't it rile you up to have your face rubbed in your boo boos. At this point I half expect The CIA & DOD to declare revealing this information as this mouthy gob-shite has done, is a matter of National Security.
Though I do have to wonder if CIA DOD in this case means Cant Investigate Anything with Dispatcher On Drugs.
PS: I hope that isn't classed as, and myself be charged with Extortion
Of course they [police and DOJ] should and will throw Extortion into the list of charges,since the inference,if not the threat of more carnage,was made by Zodiac - and his letters are proof to this ''reality''.
There are the ''inferences''- which technically may be deemed ''questionable'' :
''PS could you print this new cipher on your front page ? I get awfully lonely when I am ignored,so lonely I could do my Thing !!!!!!! ''
''.....They have not complied with my wishes for them to wear some nice [Zodiac] buttons.I promiced to punish them if they did not comply...''
''.....If you do not wear any type of [Zodiac] buttons I shall [on top of every thing else] torture all 13 of my slaves....''
BUT,where LE really have Zodiac ''banged to rights'' on an Extortion charge is :
''PS. If I do not see this note in your paper,I will do something nasty,which you know I'm capable of doing.''
I think,with other examples such as the content of the ''Count Marco letter'',there is certainly enough for LE to ''handpick'' what to ''throw'' in Zodiac's direction.
Post by WelshChappie on Mar 13, 2016 13:06:12 GMT -8
Well we'd have to look to Legalese Itself for an actual definition of Extortion and the Law Society give it a general definition of: " A crime of obtaining money or property by threat to a victim's property or loved ones, intimidation, or false claim of a right."
Now in Legislative Legal Terms, Extortion as a criminal offence has many different forms itself in terms of what may be legally defined as Extorting or extortion and many different types of this crime are regularly prosecuted in A Court. Extortion can and is defined as a stand alone clearly defined Offence at Federal Level.
It seems to me that In Legalese, Extortion is synonymous with Blackmail and one often gets interlinked with the other.
Anyway, enough of the finer specifics of what extortion is because the truth is, in the States it depends which State your in as to what defines actual extortion as a chargeable crime. The Point is this:
Given the potential to go after Zodiac for a range of very serious felony offences, Offences that likely would see more resources being committed in the FBI's pursuit of Him, Why go after Him for Extortion?
Makes little sense to me. Extorting nobody for nothing rather than, i dunno, committing Homicides across State Lines?
Post by WelshChappie on Mar 13, 2016 13:18:53 GMT -8
Did the Bureau take the position in the late Sixties to Early Seventies of:
"The San Francisco Unknown Subject that we refer to as The Zodiac, this individual May murder as many people He likes all over the place, we'll certainly frown upon that. However, should He try to extort a person to gain something of theirs....immediate upgrading to Position No.1 on the FBI's Ten most Wanted.
And of course, this isn't your average extortion, oh no! He would be attempting Astrological Extortion! See, that's far worse!
Post by Rubislaw32 on Aug 29, 2019 20:44:47 GMT -8
Welcome to '' ZKS '',Randolph Carter.
What you have posted,on this thread looks interesting.
Can you explain to readers,what you are referring to,and give the reader,at least some basis,by how you come to your conclusion ?
There are three main events,in the history of the Zodiac case,that might be considered as ''blunders''....that are known about.
I would suggest that those mistakes are :
The Riverside Police's decision to send correspondences,related to the Cheri Jo Bates murder,to the Post Office Fraud Department...instead of the FBI,for whom the Riverside Police were aware were the specialists in extortion,related to the act of murder.
The succesful court injuction,that William Grant won against all law enforcement,for Police Harrassment....which rendered the Vallejo Police's further role in the Zodiac case,all but completely redundant.
The Inspector Toschi ''Fan Mail'' scandal,and its subsequent ramifications to the Zodiac case.
The three aforementioned can be debated and discussed further....with,for example,the question of if there was any cover-up....and if so - then to what extent.
So,Randolph Carter....please inform members and visiting guests,further,with respect to what exactly,you are offering as other subject matter,that might be construed as encompassing the notion of ''cover-up'',in the Zodiac case,specifically.
Post by RandolphCarter on Aug 29, 2019 22:26:27 GMT -8
In the June 12-19 1970, an article appeared in the Berkeley Tribe wherein the articles author "Rick Heide" (rh?) reports his wife, on staff at the tribe,was harassed by a squad of officers that searched their house without a warrant. Mr Heide was then brought in on suspicion of affiliation with the Weathermen (of radical infamy as opposed to the meteorological variety) with what seems like little proof to go on only to find that Lowell Jensen, the District Attorney had personally signed the warrant.
There are many other articles regarding Lowell Jensen all with a similar tone.
Perhaps Miss Jensen was related to Lowell Jensen, establishing a motive at least in the vein that this Rick Heide had been targeted by Jensen. This could suggest a cover up in that if Betty Lou's murder were solved, his practices would have come to light and if he his actions were the result of COINTELPRO harassment, it would have been in the best interest of the city, state and federal government for the murder to remain unsolved.
Post by Rubislaw32 on Aug 29, 2019 22:45:12 GMT -8
Thanks for that Randolph Carter.Initially,it does sound feasible.I will see if I can find out more,before venturing any thoughts.
Interesting that you have brought up COINTELPRO....which for readers that might be interested,was in essence,the counter intelligence branch of the FBI,in their fight against ''perceived'' criminal behaviour,with respect to emerging Black Extremist factions,such as The Black Panther Party and Organization US.
Historians tend to be divided as to the legitimacy of some of COINTELPRO's actions.
Post by RandolphCarter on Aug 29, 2019 22:51:38 GMT -8
I apologize if you aren't familiar with the judge I refer to. Mr. Smith published an article in the September 19-25 issue of the Tribe wherein he describes his father's betrayal, allegedly his father conspired with a judge and sent him to prison for an arson he did not commit.
Post by RandolphCarter on Aug 29, 2019 22:57:54 GMT -8
Also, this interview Mae Brussell conducted with Charles Manson's arresting officer Preston Guillory contains Mr. Guillory stating that the majority of officers read the underground news as they found the mainstream news useless except for a laugh. If this was the case in California and not just in Los Angeles, more than one officer would have seen the multitude of articles printed in various underground papers alluding to zodiac crimes. The Underground Press Syndicate, publisher of the Tribe and various other rags was on the CIA and the FBI's radar. This is circumstantial. I will look into others mentioned rubislaw32, thank you.
Rubislaw32: Apple Florez extends her apologies to all members,at this site,for her insults,and regrets that she was frustrated,at the time of posting.[refer : Kenneth Lester German ]
Sept 11, 2019 18:02:21 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Belli defended murderer Jack Ruby
Sept 1, 2019 15:28:14 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: "This thing in me wont let me" Z wasn't nuts, he knew truth.
Sept 1, 2019 15:27:39 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: It is worth it to look at subsidies received by the Lykes Steamship Co since the foundation of the Maritime Administration and notice all of those extra digits. I believe I've made my point and will digress.
Sept 1, 2019 12:58:42 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Is there wisdom in stopping someone trying to fix the world? Would our research be better spent on JFK, RFK, Bugliosi, and all those states down in the Caribbean we know nothing about?
Sept 1, 2019 12:56:57 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Was Goldcatcher thought up to catch greedhounds?
Aug 30, 2019 13:14:18 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Were there any significant astronomical events of 2019 Zodiac would have observed? What were his thoughts on the Ultima Thule Flyby? Randolph Carter smiled to himself in the Strange High House In The Mist that night and thought of sunken Uralia.
Aug 30, 2019 13:13:19 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: The irony of reward money is there must be a world left to spend it in. How deep does Zodiac go and will there still be a bank to go to? The clear headed researcher must remind himself of this.
Aug 30, 2019 13:09:05 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: David Farrady born under Libra killed under Sagittarius. Paul Stine born under Sagittarius killed under Libra.
Aug 30, 2019 11:33:42 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: all victims different horoscope signs. Darlene Ferrin born on cusp of Cancer and Leo.
Aug 30, 2019 11:30:59 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Just how many scandals were kept secret by the zodiac remaining unsolved?
Aug 29, 2019 20:32:15 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: How many Paul Tates were there and did Blaine ever meet Gutierrez Mannoyo?
Aug 29, 2019 20:31:15 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Did Cheri Jo ever interact with a "John Riverside"?
Aug 29, 2019 20:27:50 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Did they ever participate in any "hoaxes" similar to Carl Meredith Allen's annotated "The Case For The UFO"?
Aug 29, 2019 20:26:49 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Was the Zodiac aware of the human trafficking taking place within the us government via the Lykes Bros conglomerates? Was he, Kerouac, Lucien Carr or any of the beat generation ever employed on Lykes vessels?
Aug 29, 2019 20:25:40 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Did you threaten senator Jessie Helms?
Aug 29, 2019 20:18:41 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Mt Diablo glows red at sunset. Did you have any affiliation with the Red Mtn Tribe after the Barb/Tribe split?
Aug 29, 2019 18:42:36 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: I wonder if Nixon's daughter was threatened because Charles Manson was declared guilty by POTUS without trial.
Aug 29, 2019 18:41:21 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Did you kill a woman in Dallas TX and write about it in NY?
Aug 29, 2019 18:29:28 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Was the Zodiac inspired by the "Square the circle" game that the Diggers commune played?
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