Post by Rubislaw32 on Aug 29, 2019 23:09:02 GMT -8
No apologies necessary RC,and interesting to hear of anything related,at that time.
A momentous time of upheaval,in the USA's domestic history,and it can seem a huge task to attempt to grasp everything that was happening.Not least,how big a part,that Oakland And Los Angeles played,in particular.With of course,universities close by,becoming involved,since any revolution looks to the educated,for guidance and advice.....and often,''leadership''.
Post by Rubislaw32 on Aug 29, 2019 23:16:52 GMT -8
Yes,I note your comment on the ''program''.Having recently waded through many FBI files,related....I believe I have a more ''balanced'' view.
It was a ''harrowing'' experience,just going through the files....and there was ''bad'' on both sides...undoubtedly,as is usually the case,when there is a ''covert'' war going on...but a ''war'' nonetheless.
Post by RandolphCarter on Aug 29, 2019 23:17:53 GMT -8
That must have created quite a bit of tension amongst people in general. I would be willing to venture that these universities were likely exploited by the exceedingly paranoid feds at the time. There are papers from Chester Andersons archives at the Diggers commune archives that gives a picture of a well intentioned group being targeted and subverted when they honestly were trying to do good until the whole thing was infiltrated and turned to intelligence purposes.
Post by RandolphCarter on Aug 29, 2019 23:24:31 GMT -8
Nikolas Schreck describes it best in my opinion. When you remove the conspiracy and consider these organizations as underworld organizations like any other, gang, cult, intelligence agency, etc. and place them in their correct context (that is, remove the novelty we so crave) they are the same as crimes that occur every minute somewhere in the world. That is not to devalue the life lost. All lives have value, but then as time teaches, all lives are eventually lost. One dares to wonder if the Zodiac was simply adding novelty to "routine" killings to get the world to notice that they were occurring.
Post by Rubislaw32 on Aug 30, 2019 19:35:30 GMT -8
Indeed a truism,RC,and certainly appears that those with right of centre values,held the majority of the wealth...and just couldn't see the disparity that existed,in society.
One could probably go back 20 years,to see this discontent mounting ? The development of the Cold War,and anything that came close to a perceived Communist philosophy,was ''alienated''in an apparent ''legitimised form.
Is it any wonder then,that the revolutionists tended to adopt an extremist ''Mao'' philosophy,in the hope of offering a better way [?].And,that is,not even entertaining the ''Race Card'',as part of the equation.
The Black Panther Party,had all but evaporated,as a potent political force,by 1972....mostly down to their predilection for ''armed robbery'' to fund their cause.They had lost sensible leadership,and were going nowhere,apart from prison.But the SLA picked up on their mistakes,and realized that the movement for change,needed a multi-cultural and multi-racial ''face''.But again,the plot was lost,with marginalization forcing extreme criminal activity,to fund its perpetuation.
The question,with regards the Zodiac,is perhaps,how much of this,was the Zodiac aware of [?],as it was happening,and to what extent was he able to use perceived ''Achillies Heels'',to his advantage,with his ''simplistic'' and ''menacing means'' approach to extortion [?].
What does seem,undoubtedly the case was,that he was an avid reader of newspapers,and the editorials and political and social columnists,like Herb Caen,in particular.Those journalists that were brave enough,to speak their minds,as a band of independent thinking ''spirits'',with their ears close to the ground.
The Zodiac,I believe,saw himself as a ''like minded'' spirit....but actually advantaged himself of situations,often because he failed to see the reality of himself.
Post by RandolphCarter on Aug 30, 2019 20:58:40 GMT -8
So to the Zodiac, he was possibly taking something that society would never accept (despite its status as natural phenomena) and making use of it to expose- exposition that never actually occurred and could be the reason it remained unsolved.
The Zodiac ''fell into'' full blown extortion,as part of a decision,to palm himself off,as a serial killer [...mass murderer,in those days...],following the murder of Darlene Ferrin.
The Lake Herman Road murders,had been about ''Zodiac'' attempting to fit William Grant up,as Farrady/Jensen's murderer,on account of conducting a campaign of persecution,against William Grant.But,when law enforcement didn't fully ''bite the bullet'' on Grant,''Zodiac'' became concerned that ''old friend'',Darlene,would suss that ''Zodiac'' was culpable of the LHR murders,himself....and that she would eventually run to the police.So,it came to pass,that Darlene ''had to die''.
So,once ''Zodiac'' had three murders,and one attempted murder,on his hands...he ''threw his lot in'' as ''The Zodiac'' - mass murderer and extortionist.
The ''extortionist'' part,came easy to the Zodiac,since he had been a hoaxing letter writer,since his teens.And,coupled with being an avid newspaper reader,he believed that he had a good grasp of current affairs and the political climate.
Now,to what extent,the Zodiac was just copying inferences of opinion,gained from reading,what the likes of Herb Caen was writing,for example.....or,holding very insightful and individual opinions of his own....can be difficult to tell.Particularly,as we know now that counter intelligence ''did'' play around a bit,with ''jiggery pokery'',to the Zodiac's letters.
My opinion is,that the Zodiac was inclined to ''copy'' what the brave journalists,at that time,were writing....but,nevertheless,through reading the words of journalists,on a day to day basis....tended to acquire a more advanced knowledge,of the mostly underground war that was raging....than most other people.....which sometimes seems to come across,in the letters of the Zodiac.
The Zodiac - a ''copycat'',and ''wannabe columnist'',who nonetheless held a few opinions of his own.
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Sept 11, 2019 18:02:21 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Belli defended murderer Jack Ruby
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RandolphCarter: "This thing in me wont let me" Z wasn't nuts, he knew truth.
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RandolphCarter: It is worth it to look at subsidies received by the Lykes Steamship Co since the foundation of the Maritime Administration and notice all of those extra digits. I believe I've made my point and will digress.
Sept 1, 2019 12:58:42 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Is there wisdom in stopping someone trying to fix the world? Would our research be better spent on JFK, RFK, Bugliosi, and all those states down in the Caribbean we know nothing about?
Sept 1, 2019 12:56:57 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Was Goldcatcher thought up to catch greedhounds?
Aug 30, 2019 13:14:18 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Were there any significant astronomical events of 2019 Zodiac would have observed? What were his thoughts on the Ultima Thule Flyby? Randolph Carter smiled to himself in the Strange High House In The Mist that night and thought of sunken Uralia.
Aug 30, 2019 13:13:19 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: The irony of reward money is there must be a world left to spend it in. How deep does Zodiac go and will there still be a bank to go to? The clear headed researcher must remind himself of this.
Aug 30, 2019 13:09:05 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: David Farrady born under Libra killed under Sagittarius. Paul Stine born under Sagittarius killed under Libra.
Aug 30, 2019 11:33:42 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: all victims different horoscope signs. Darlene Ferrin born on cusp of Cancer and Leo.
Aug 30, 2019 11:30:59 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Just how many scandals were kept secret by the zodiac remaining unsolved?
Aug 29, 2019 20:32:15 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: How many Paul Tates were there and did Blaine ever meet Gutierrez Mannoyo?
Aug 29, 2019 20:31:15 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Did Cheri Jo ever interact with a "John Riverside"?
Aug 29, 2019 20:27:50 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Did they ever participate in any "hoaxes" similar to Carl Meredith Allen's annotated "The Case For The UFO"?
Aug 29, 2019 20:26:49 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Was the Zodiac aware of the human trafficking taking place within the us government via the Lykes Bros conglomerates? Was he, Kerouac, Lucien Carr or any of the beat generation ever employed on Lykes vessels?
Aug 29, 2019 20:25:40 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Did you threaten senator Jessie Helms?
Aug 29, 2019 20:18:41 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Mt Diablo glows red at sunset. Did you have any affiliation with the Red Mtn Tribe after the Barb/Tribe split?
Aug 29, 2019 18:42:36 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: I wonder if Nixon's daughter was threatened because Charles Manson was declared guilty by POTUS without trial.
Aug 29, 2019 18:41:21 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Did you kill a woman in Dallas TX and write about it in NY?
Aug 29, 2019 18:29:28 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Was the Zodiac inspired by the "Square the circle" game that the Diggers commune played?
Aug 29, 2019 18:28:55 GMT -8