A very interesting article;and one that all Zodiac enthusiasts should read.
I believe that the upsurge in interest in Cold Cases,is,in some measure,down to the sustained longevity of interest in the case of The Zodiac Killer.
Naturally,the age of the laptop,itself,has played its part,also.
But focusing on the Zodiac case,specifically,if one aspect alone,creates the most contention,it is the handwriting.A relatively large amount on offer,with a generally presumed single person having the capacity,to vary style by a wide margin.
This,I believe,brings a greater need for the discipline of Graphology,to come more to the fore.Where the perceived psychology of the ''author'' is also taken into account.
Detective Toschi once quoted that catching Zodiac was ''all about the forensics and the handwriting''.
In later years,many might actually conclude that it's all about the forensics - period.
The handwriting analyst did a presentation at the meeting of the University of Pittsburgh's Students Conquering Cold Cases club in Oakland, Pennsylvania. (Oakland is a neighborhood in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.)
I hope there will be more information about the Person of Interest in the future.
Post by Rubislaw32 on Jan 12, 2017 18:31:37 GMT -8
I can sort of see where we are going here,with regard to Ms.Dresbold.
It's all beginning to look like another chapter,in the development and ''flowering'',of an ''expert's'' career.Nanette Barto and Lloyd Cunningham,being other cases,in point,where the ''Zodiac connection'' is required,to drive a reputation to public awareness,and credulity.
I never knock the Ripper case,which stands the test of time,on its own merits.But ''Bandwagon hoppers'' hitching their lift,and one should be wary [?].
Zodiac investigator,Lyndon Lafferty,was quite a fan of the Ripper case.He was ''more than'' intrigued by best selling author Patricia Cornwall,who had spent about $20 million on some paintings by the artist,and Ripper suspect,Walter Sickert - only to have these paintings destroyed,for the purpose of extracting Sickert's DNA,in order to ''prove'' his guilt.
Well,Ms.Cornwall got a book out of her ''antics'' - but little else,apart from scorn and derision,by the press.
But,Lafferty admired her gall.In fairness,he admired the lengths someone might go to,in order to achieve a goal,based on a hunch.Which is essentially,what Lafferty did.
Lyndon Lafferty,though not able to convince many of Zodiac's identity,being that of William Grant,did much for the case of The Zodiac Killer.
His legacy will last,through his investigating contributions,over forty years.
The Vidoqc society give up on zodiac ? I seriously doubt they ( the school )could/ would ever release a name Also hand writting analysis is very slim evidence in today court cases usually reserved for your non felonys.
Post by Rubislaw32 on Jan 17, 2017 12:26:14 GMT -8
This thread represents a ''healthy'' aspect to a wider debate,perhaps [?].
It must be for the good,that either trained,or enthusiastic amateurs,are taking to the subject of Cold Cases.As long as it is generally acknowledged that it is,with a view to handing over any new information,to the official officers of the law.
We live in an era of economic austerity,with ''budget'' scrutiny on public services at a premium.This is generally ''across the board'',including Law Enforcement.
So,it would appear that ''the more hands on deck'',would assist Law Enforcement,to fight crime and help them solve the cases that have fallen by the wayside [?].
Unfortunately,it can also encourage imprudent and self serving behavior.The furthering of an ''expert's'' career,perhaps,or even naked monetary gain,can constitute some of the reasons,for becoming involved in this area of study.
''We'' just have to be mindful of ''The Dross'',and attempt to come down on it,where we see it.
These minority of individuals,are not helpful to the public,nor the police,since they are more likely to harm the legitimacy of a case,than assist in its success.
To focus on the ''case'',above all else,which includes how best one can assist,those entrusted to enforce the law [?].
Post by Rubislaw32 on Jan 20, 2017 17:16:22 GMT -8
With this particular thread,and with reference to a report of some ''interesting'' handwriting emerging,I am reading more and more about opinions about ''Graphology'' verses ''Handwriting'',in terms of expertise and relevance.
May I proffer that these arguments are largely immaterial [?].
What is of pertinence is,whether Law Enforcement are persuaded that an investigative lead,is ''on offer''.
With the Zodiac case,in particular,it is as close to unlikely,as could be,that Handwriting will ever play a part in a Court of Law.But it can be used to lead or persuade detectives,in their investigations.
When it comes to ''Forensics'',''Partials'' apply in the same way.Again,possibly helpful to investigating detectives - but of no use in a Court of Law.
''Partials'' may be apply to ''complete'' DNA results,but are deemed ''contaminated''.Forensics that are permissible evidence,will have to be accompanied by sworn evidence on how it was obtained.Even then,a Judge may decide to take issue,and instruct a jury,accordingly.
As it transpires in this recent ''discovery'',through the work of Ms.Dresbold,she,as a Graphologist,is ''not'' convinced - but believes that Law Enforcement should take a look.
Perhaps,''we'' should just await any further developments [?].
Also hand writting analysis is very slim evidence in today court cases usually reserved for your non felonys.
Of course, the handwriting would not be sufficient evidence by itself. However, if the handwriting was similar, then the police might be motivated to investigate further to uncover other types of evidence (fingerprints, DNA, etc.).
Rubislaw32: see HMIC about this - OK ?
Jan 28, 2020 6:17:56 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Thanks 525307 CO
Jan 25, 2020 6:43:03 GMT -8
Sandy: RandolphCarter: all victims different horoscope signs. Darlene Ferrin born on cusp of Cancer and Leo. Sorry but Darlene was not born on the cusp Cancer and Leo, she was born under the cusp of Pisces and Aries. Her birthday is in March not July.
Jan 24, 2020 19:06:47 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Thanks for the Blackfoot Alphabet tip , Guest 123 .This could be of interest , with the Z148 cipher text . Given a link to the Karl Werner murders , Z148 is likely to be Zodiac authentic . Nice spot .
Jan 11, 2020 6:53:53 GMT -8
Guest123: Most of the people murdered have double letters in their name. Is it a coincidence? Is it deliberate?
Jan 10, 2020 22:05:39 GMT -8
Guest123: Look at the Blackfoot alphabet. Some of the letters look like the symbol in one or more of the cyphers.
Jan 10, 2020 21:50:26 GMT -8
Handyman: ricardo; if the watch is as a compass and the math addad , 36/42 or between its centre 40/41 would or could this also be used at the geographical end of the puzzle , I heard the trick is to find his north ? seeing as the numbers are a key. dvk
Dec 19, 2019 7:55:37 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Apple Florez extends her apologies to all members,at this site,for her insults,and regrets that she was frustrated,at the time of posting.[refer : Kenneth Lester German ]
Sept 11, 2019 18:02:21 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Belli defended murderer Jack Ruby
Sept 1, 2019 15:28:14 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: "This thing in me wont let me" Z wasn't nuts, he knew truth.
Sept 1, 2019 15:27:39 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: It is worth it to look at subsidies received by the Lykes Steamship Co since the foundation of the Maritime Administration and notice all of those extra digits. I believe I've made my point and will digress.
Sept 1, 2019 12:58:42 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Is there wisdom in stopping someone trying to fix the world? Would our research be better spent on JFK, RFK, Bugliosi, and all those states down in the Caribbean we know nothing about?
Sept 1, 2019 12:56:57 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Was Goldcatcher thought up to catch greedhounds?
Aug 30, 2019 13:14:18 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Were there any significant astronomical events of 2019 Zodiac would have observed? What were his thoughts on the Ultima Thule Flyby? Randolph Carter smiled to himself in the Strange High House In The Mist that night and thought of sunken Uralia.
Aug 30, 2019 13:13:19 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: The irony of reward money is there must be a world left to spend it in. How deep does Zodiac go and will there still be a bank to go to? The clear headed researcher must remind himself of this.
Aug 30, 2019 13:09:05 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: David Farrady born under Libra killed under Sagittarius. Paul Stine born under Sagittarius killed under Libra.
Aug 30, 2019 11:33:42 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: all victims different horoscope signs. Darlene Ferrin born on cusp of Cancer and Leo.
Aug 30, 2019 11:30:59 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Just how many scandals were kept secret by the zodiac remaining unsolved?
Aug 29, 2019 20:32:15 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: How many Paul Tates were there and did Blaine ever meet Gutierrez Mannoyo?
Aug 29, 2019 20:31:15 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Did Cheri Jo ever interact with a "John Riverside"?
Aug 29, 2019 20:27:50 GMT -8