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Post by Davb on Jan 8, 2017 16:54:22 GMT -8
Just saw it Google news zodiac killer has the link
Cold case task force looking at it in Oakland ? It says
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Post by Ricardo on Jan 8, 2017 17:55:11 GMT -8
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Jan 8, 2017 20:45:43 GMT -8
A very interesting article;and one that all Zodiac enthusiasts should read.
I believe that the upsurge in interest in Cold Cases,is,in some measure,down to the sustained longevity of interest in the case of The Zodiac Killer.
Naturally,the age of the laptop,itself,has played its part,also.
But focusing on the Zodiac case,specifically,if one aspect alone,creates the most contention,it is the handwriting.A relatively large amount on offer,with a generally presumed single person having the capacity,to vary style by a wide margin.
This,I believe,brings a greater need for the discipline of Graphology,to come more to the fore.Where the perceived psychology of the ''author'' is also taken into account.
Detective Toschi once quoted that catching Zodiac was ''all about the forensics and the handwriting''.
In later years,many might actually conclude that it's all about the forensics - period.
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Post by Davb on Jan 9, 2017 9:36:23 GMT -8
The part of the article of big interest to me was they say they have a new P OF I
and a Oakland task force investigating
Seems you have to be a subscriber to get the complete article
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Post by Ricardo on Jan 9, 2017 10:58:20 GMT -8
The handwriting analyst did a presentation at the meeting of the University of Pittsburgh's Students Conquering Cold Cases club in Oakland, Pennsylvania. (Oakland is a neighborhood in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.)
I hope there will be more information about the Person of Interest in the future.
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Post by Davb on Jan 9, 2017 15:04:56 GMT -8
It's Gary Stewart, s dad
My guess. Lol
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Post by Ricardo on Jan 12, 2017 0:00:01 GMT -8
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Jan 12, 2017 18:31:37 GMT -8
I can sort of see where we are going here,with regard to Ms.Dresbold.
It's all beginning to look like another chapter,in the development and ''flowering'',of an ''expert's'' career.Nanette Barto and Lloyd Cunningham,being other cases,in point,where the ''Zodiac connection'' is required,to drive a reputation to public awareness,and credulity.
I never knock the Ripper case,which stands the test of time,on its own merits.But ''Bandwagon hoppers'' hitching their lift,and one should be wary [?].
Zodiac investigator,Lyndon Lafferty,was quite a fan of the Ripper case.He was ''more than'' intrigued by best selling author Patricia Cornwall,who had spent about $20 million on some paintings by the artist,and Ripper suspect,Walter Sickert - only to have these paintings destroyed,for the purpose of extracting Sickert's DNA,in order to ''prove'' his guilt.
Well,Ms.Cornwall got a book out of her ''antics'' - but little else,apart from scorn and derision,by the press.
But,Lafferty admired her gall.In fairness,he admired the lengths someone might go to,in order to achieve a goal,based on a hunch.Which is essentially,what Lafferty did.
Lyndon Lafferty,though not able to convince many of Zodiac's identity,being that of William Grant,did much for the case of The Zodiac Killer.
His legacy will last,through his investigating contributions,over forty years.
Mark my words.
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Post by Ricardo on Jan 16, 2017 20:42:39 GMT -8
'Bandwagon hoppers'' hitching their lift,and one should be wary [?]. It is open to interpretation who is "on the bandwagon". If someone decides to investigate any particular suspect, are they "on the bandwagon"? |
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Post by Ricardo on Jan 16, 2017 20:48:54 GMT -8
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Post by Ricardo on Jan 16, 2017 21:00:04 GMT -8
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Post by Davb on Jan 17, 2017 10:25:43 GMT -8
The Vidoqc society give up on zodiac ?
I seriously doubt they ( the school )could/ would ever release a name
Also hand writting analysis is very slim evidence in today court cases usually reserved for your non felonys.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Jan 17, 2017 12:26:14 GMT -8
This thread represents a ''healthy'' aspect to a wider debate,perhaps [?].
It must be for the good,that either trained,or enthusiastic amateurs,are taking to the subject of Cold Cases.As long as it is generally acknowledged that it is,with a view to handing over any new information,to the official officers of the law.
We live in an era of economic austerity,with ''budget'' scrutiny on public services at a premium.This is generally ''across the board'',including Law Enforcement.
So,it would appear that ''the more hands on deck'',would assist Law Enforcement,to fight crime and help them solve the cases that have fallen by the wayside [?].
Unfortunately,it can also encourage imprudent and self serving behavior.The furthering of an ''expert's'' career,perhaps,or even naked monetary gain,can constitute some of the reasons,for becoming involved in this area of study.
''We'' just have to be mindful of ''The Dross'',and attempt to come down on it,where we see it.
These minority of individuals,are not helpful to the public,nor the police,since they are more likely to harm the legitimacy of a case,than assist in its success.
To focus on the ''case'',above all else,which includes how best one can assist,those entrusted to enforce the law [?].
Stories can be written,when ''The show is over''.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Jan 20, 2017 17:16:22 GMT -8
With this particular thread,and with reference to a report of some ''interesting'' handwriting emerging,I am reading more and more about opinions about ''Graphology'' verses ''Handwriting'',in terms of expertise and relevance.
May I proffer that these arguments are largely immaterial [?].
What is of pertinence is,whether Law Enforcement are persuaded that an investigative lead,is ''on offer''.
With the Zodiac case,in particular,it is as close to unlikely,as could be,that Handwriting will ever play a part in a Court of Law.But it can be used to lead or persuade detectives,in their investigations.
When it comes to ''Forensics'',''Partials'' apply in the same way.Again,possibly helpful to investigating detectives - but of no use in a Court of Law.
''Partials'' may be apply to ''complete'' DNA results,but are deemed ''contaminated''.Forensics that are permissible evidence,will have to be accompanied by sworn evidence on how it was obtained.Even then,a Judge may decide to take issue,and instruct a jury,accordingly.
As it transpires in this recent ''discovery'',through the work of Ms.Dresbold,she,as a Graphologist,is ''not'' convinced - but believes that Law Enforcement should take a look.
Perhaps,''we'' should just await any further developments [?].
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Post by Ricardo on Feb 3, 2017 0:17:13 GMT -8
The Vidoqc society give up on zodiac ? You mentioned the Vidocq Society which meets each month in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. In October of 2016, someone was leaving copies of letters written by the Zodiac killer in Fishtown, a neighborhood of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. www.phillyvoice.com/copies-zodiac-killer-letter-appear-parked-cars-fishtown/I wonder if someone was trying to stir up interest in the Zodiac case to get the Vidocq Society involved. How about if the Vidocq Society teamed up with the handwriting analyst and the University of Pittsburgh's Students Conquering Cold Cases club? I seriously doubt they ( the school )could/ would ever release a name Yes, I think that the Students Conquering Cold Cases Club at the University of Pittsburgh will probably keep the name confidential, too. Also hand writting analysis is very slim evidence in today court cases usually reserved for your non felonys. Of course, the handwriting would not be sufficient evidence by itself. However, if the handwriting was similar, then the police might be motivated to investigate further to uncover other types of evidence (fingerprints, DNA, etc.). |
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