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Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 11, 2017 5:57:33 GMT -8
As I previously mentioned,Crow...not to be concerned about having multiple membership,on the Zodiac websites.It is your perfect right to do so.
My only advice would be to use the same posting name,throughout [?].If your intention is to remain long term,and believe that you have contributions to make to the case,it is better that others can recognise you,as one and the same individual.
Yes,this ''Richard'' name has cropped up,but not,I believe,in any formally documented police reports on the Mike and Darlene case.It may indeed be the case,but it is apparent that Mike Mageau has changed his recollection of events,a number of times,over the years,as documented in interviews.
This is no criticism of Mr.Mageau...nor patronising.It is a phenomenon often observed in people that have been through a traumatic experience,and often find themselves under the spotlight,subject to different questions,often made in different forms.
Just on a general viewpoint,I believe it most unlikely that Zodiac was in the military.Ricardo has proffered,on this site that a military connection would increase Zodiac's chances of being exposed,since it is known that the military worked closely alongside the police,when investigations were at their height.The military would have taken a keen interest in accountability of their personnel,and would have had accurate documentation of their whereabouts and movement.
Beyond this,I should not speak on behalf of Ricardo's opinions [!].
It appears most unlikely that Zodiac,would have had the energy,nor inclination,to fight a ''one man army'' campaign against the establishment and ''ordinary folk'',on his time off from a military life that might have included real combat,in places such as South East Asia.
Like millions of young men of his generation,he,more than likely would have tried to avoid the military,and unpopular wars,such as Vietnam [?].The ''smart'' thing was known to be to acquire a decent education,and a ''solid'' job.That way the government tended to leave you alone,when looking to recruit for an escalation of military involvement.
It would be good to see you continue to contribute,Crow.I Am sure that you have more to offer...and challenge some views,long held [?].
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Post by Ricardo on Nov 17, 2017 3:21:04 GMT -8
I appreciate your speculation regarding different aspects of the Zodiac case! This thread relates to a possible police officer connection. Here is a link to the thread about the possible military connection of the Zodiac killer. zodiackillermystery.freeforums.net/thread/118/military-connectionAs for this particular possible police officer connection, I am skeptical because of the timeline… Darlene Ferrin was Dead On Arrival at Kaiser Hospital at approximately 12:38 a.m.. However, the telephone call to the Vallejo Police Department switchboard was received at 12:40 a.m.. |
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Dec 4, 2017 11:29:59 GMT -8
Recently,I watched the excellently made ''This is the Zodiac speaking'' documentary.If there are any detractors of this film,it is only to suggest that it represents,merely recollections of events,by officers of the law and others present.
In an interview with Mike Mageau,it is apparent that he had not fared that well,over the years.A combination perhaps,of the legacy of his injuries,the psychological impact of a traumatic experience,and probable pharmaceutical and ''other'' abuse.
But,he came across as cheerful,and grateful to be alive.
Although he was not always,completely ''lucid'',in that interview,it was clear that when he quoted : ''....he said : my name is Richard....'',Mageau was referring to Hoffman,the first police officer on the scene at Blue Rock Springs.
As claimed,and documented in police reports,Richard Hoffman arrived at the crime scene,to find Mageau sprawled out on the ground,injured,having extricated himself from Darlene Ferrin's vehicle.One can only presume that Hoffman was,as tactfully as possible,introducing himself,to the ailing Mageau.
If anyone is in doubt,then I recommend that they watch the interview of Mike Mageau.
I believe it apparent,beyond any doubt,that Mike Mageau's ''Richard'' reference,is for Hoffman.....and ''not'' the Zodiac Killer....who had long absconded the scene.
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Post by Ricardo on Dec 6, 2017 0:18:04 GMT -8
Recently,I watched the excellently made ''This is the Zodiac speaking'' documentary.If there are any detractors of this film,it is only to suggest that it represents,merely recollections of events,by officers of the law and others present. In an interview with Mike Mageau,it is apparent that he had not fared that well,over the years.A combination perhaps,of the legacy of his injuries,the psychological impact of a traumatic experience,and probable pharmaceutical and ''other'' abuse. But,he came across as cheerful,and grateful to be alive. Although he was not always,completely ''lucid'',in that interview,it was clear that when he quoted : ''....he said : my name is Richard....'',Mageau was referring to Hoffman,the first police officer on the scene at Blue Rock Springs. As claimed,and documented in police reports,Richard Hoffman arrived at the crime scene,to find Mageau sprawled out on the ground,injured,having extricated himself from Darlene Ferrin's vehicle.One can only presume that Hoffman was,as tactfully as possible,introducing himself,to the ailing Mageau. If anyone is in doubt,then I recommend that they watch the interview of Mike Mageau. I believe it apparent,beyond any doubt,that Mike Mageau's ''Richard'' reference,is for Hoffman.....and ''not'' the Zodiac Killer....who had long absconded the scene. I think you are referring to the part from 24:45 to 25:21… “This is the Zodiac Speaking” |
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Post by Hoganpc on Jan 8, 2018 7:43:35 GMT -8
It seems that linking a suspect to one of the murders based on a motive specific to one victim eliminates the suspect as the zodiak.
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Post by Ricardo on Jan 8, 2018 14:31:51 GMT -8
It seems that linking a suspect to one of the murders based on a motive specific to one victim eliminates the suspect as the zodiak. The possible motive was presented as one of the reasons for this police officer to be considered as a suspect. A suspect would not be eliminated based upon a possible motive. A suspect would be eliminated based upon known facts. For example, the timeline must also be examined... Darlene Ferrin was Dead On Arrival at Kaiser Hospital at approximately 12:38 a.m.. However, the telephone call to the Vallejo Police Department switchboard was received at 12:40 a.m.. |
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Post by Francy on Apr 23, 2018 8:13:34 GMT -8
I am looking for the following information on Richard Hoffman(VPD-Ret). When was he born, where was he born and where was he raised prior to his employment at VPD; Any assistance will be greatly appreciated in this regard.
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Post by sbriverglen on Apr 26, 2018 4:55:39 GMT -8
I am seeking basic biographical information regarding Richard Hoffman, Where was he born? What schools did he attend? Scouts. little league etc. etc. What was his servvice and working experience before joining the VPD? Info in regard to any RH history prior to his stint at the police department will be greatly appreciated.
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Post by Crow on Jul 12, 2019 6:42:39 GMT -8
 This is the only picture of officer Hoffman from that period that I could find, and coincidentally identical to a zodiac sketch. There was some really strange things happening in the Vallejo Police Department at that time as well... Any way... |
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Post by Crow on Jul 12, 2019 7:12:47 GMT -8
just to be clear, zresearch and crow are the only names I have ever posted under regarding zodiac. ...apparently others have taken up the theory and continued where I stopped.
Okay, the only hole in the Hoffman theory is that payphone call 2 minutes after Darlene was pronounced dead at Kaiser...
Here's what I think:
the payphone on Springs Road and Tuolumne Street that was used to call in the confession is not far at all from the Kaiser hospital at 975 Sereno Dr. where Mike and Darlene were taken. My time-line shows that Hoffman easily could have made the call, leaving the hospital just after Darlene was pronounced dead.
My information does not mention richard Hoffman remaining at the hospital to collect statements from Mike. Mike gave an initial statement before the ambulance ride. Then, Michael Mageau gave his statements at Kaiser Hospital on 6th July 1969, with Detective Ed Rust.
Nobody reports Hoffman staying at the hospital, he could have immediately left the hospital driving to Springs Road and Tuolumne Street to make the call, this could have done in under two minutes.
Also Hoffman and Buzz Gordon had been in a fist fight just before Darlene 's murder perhaps they both had motive to want Darlene dead...possibly working together.
it was stated that Darlene was romantically involved with 2 vpd officers...
Any way, it's been a long time since I've tried to solve blue rock springs, I only 're-entered the subject as a friend showed me others were recently posting on other sites about it....
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Post by Crow on Jul 12, 2019 7:13:57 GMT -8
I am seeking basic biographical information regarding Richard Hoffman, Where was he born? What schools did he attend? Scouts. little league etc. etc. What was his servvice and working experience before joining the VPD? Info in regard to any RH history prior to his stint at the police department will be greatly appreciated. Good luck, I tried and failed, I couldn't even find a good picture of the guy from the zodiac period... |
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Post by Crow on Jul 12, 2019 7:39:15 GMT -8
some recent thoughts:
Transcription:
Host asks Hoffman: you knew her before the attack right?]
Rh: I never laid eyes on her.
Host: never laid eyes on her?
Rh:no, no. I heard that she was uh waitress at uh, uh, an all night restaurant uh in vallejo. [Makes a face] I, uh, I didn't know the girl at all. [Fades out] fades back in rh: Graysmith wrote a book about the zodiac, and he mentioned in his book that I was at her, Darlene and her husband's house, on a house painting party, prior to her death, and [condescending tone] I don't know anything about that, wasn't me, but that's what he says in his book. -transcribed from this is the zodiac speaking documentary
Darlene worked at an all night diner in vallejo, and officer Hoffman was a plain clothed police officer whose job was to police "lovers lane" areas, so he would often be out late at night to police teens. Darlene frequented the area that Hoffman was assigned to police, so it seems odd that he never met her...
...something also makes me wonder, do you really think a waitress at an all night vallejo diner, in what was back then a small community, really would not have encountered Hoffman at least a few times? Where else would Hoffman get coffee during or after a shift? I think he is lying in the "this is the zodiac speaking" documentary.
RH: I was working uh..as a patrol officer in uh..juvenile division, that was a plain clothes assignment, [takes a deep breath] now I had just been out to blue rock springs uh half our or so before that, and uh,uh, checked the area, and found it closed, uh, my purpose out there was to make sure there were no teenagers hanging out, drinkin', fightin', what ever they [trails off] the park was closed, [takes a deep breath] and there was no activity out there when I passed through a half hour or so ahead of of that time.
So an officer in the juvenile division who patrolled one of Darlene's frequent hang out spots (blue rock springs) never met her before? Seems very unlikely.
Also, zodiac attacked "lovers lane" locations, and Hoffman's job was to police those areas...
RH: I was working uh..as a patrol officer in uh..juvenile division, that was a plain clothes assignment. ... my purpose out there was to make sure there were no teenagers hanging out, drinkin', fightin', what ever they [trails off]
Perfect job for zodiac, no?
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Post by TT on Feb 22, 2023 9:02:26 GMT -8
Richard Hoffman also had scars/wrinkles on one side of his forehead just like Gary Post who was not Zosdiac
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