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Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 11, 2017 5:57:33 GMT -8
As I previously mentioned,Crow...not to be concerned about having multiple membership,on the Zodiac websites.It is your perfect right to do so.
My only advice would be to use the same posting name,throughout [?].If your intention is to remain long term,and believe that you have contributions to make to the case,it is better that others can recognise you,as one and the same individual.
Yes,this ''Richard'' name has cropped up,but not,I believe,in any formally documented police reports on the Mike and Darlene case.It may indeed be the case,but it is apparent that Mike Mageau has changed his recollection of events,a number of times,over the years,as documented in interviews.
This is no criticism of Mr.Mageau...nor patronising.It is a phenomenon often observed in people that have been through a traumatic experience,and often find themselves under the spotlight,subject to different questions,often made in different forms.
Just on a general viewpoint,I believe it most unlikely that Zodiac was in the military.Ricardo has proffered,on this site that a military connection would increase Zodiac's chances of being exposed,since it is known that the military worked closely alongside the police,when investigations were at their height.The military would have taken a keen interest in accountability of their personnel,and would have had accurate documentation of their whereabouts and movement.
Beyond this,I should not speak on behalf of Ricardo's opinions [!].
It appears most unlikely that Zodiac,would have had the energy,nor inclination,to fight a ''one man army'' campaign against the establishment and ''ordinary folk'',on his time off from a military life that might have included real combat,in places such as South East Asia.
Like millions of young men of his generation,he,more than likely would have tried to avoid the military,and unpopular wars,such as Vietnam [?].The ''smart'' thing was known to be to acquire a decent education,and a ''solid'' job.That way the government tended to leave you alone,when looking to recruit for an escalation of military involvement.
It would be good to see you continue to contribute,Crow.I Am sure that you have more to offer...and challenge some views,long held [?].
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Post by Ricardo on Nov 17, 2017 3:21:04 GMT -8
I appreciate your speculation regarding different aspects of the Zodiac case! This thread relates to a possible police officer connection. Here is a link to the thread about the possible military connection of the Zodiac killer. zodiackillermystery.freeforums.net/thread/118/military-connectionAs for this particular possible police officer connection, I am skeptical because of the timeline… Darlene Ferrin was Dead On Arrival at Kaiser Hospital at approximately 12:38 a.m.. However, the telephone call to the Vallejo Police Department switchboard was received at 12:40 a.m.. |
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Dec 4, 2017 11:29:59 GMT -8
Recently,I watched the excellently made ''This is the Zodiac speaking'' documentary.If there are any detractors of this film,it is only to suggest that it represents,merely recollections of events,by officers of the law and others present.
In an interview with Mike Mageau,it is apparent that he had not fared that well,over the years.A combination perhaps,of the legacy of his injuries,the psychological impact of a traumatic experience,and probable pharmaceutical and ''other'' abuse.
But,he came across as cheerful,and grateful to be alive.
Although he was not always,completely ''lucid'',in that interview,it was clear that when he quoted : ''....he said : my name is Richard....'',Mageau was referring to Hoffman,the first police officer on the scene at Blue Rock Springs.
As claimed,and documented in police reports,Richard Hoffman arrived at the crime scene,to find Mageau sprawled out on the ground,injured,having extricated himself from Darlene Ferrin's vehicle.One can only presume that Hoffman was,as tactfully as possible,introducing himself,to the ailing Mageau.
If anyone is in doubt,then I recommend that they watch the interview of Mike Mageau.
I believe it apparent,beyond any doubt,that Mike Mageau's ''Richard'' reference,is for Hoffman.....and ''not'' the Zodiac Killer....who had long absconded the scene.
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Post by Ricardo on Dec 6, 2017 0:18:04 GMT -8
Recently,I watched the excellently made ''This is the Zodiac speaking'' documentary.If there are any detractors of this film,it is only to suggest that it represents,merely recollections of events,by officers of the law and others present. In an interview with Mike Mageau,it is apparent that he had not fared that well,over the years.A combination perhaps,of the legacy of his injuries,the psychological impact of a traumatic experience,and probable pharmaceutical and ''other'' abuse. But,he came across as cheerful,and grateful to be alive. Although he was not always,completely ''lucid'',in that interview,it was clear that when he quoted : ''....he said : my name is Richard....'',Mageau was referring to Hoffman,the first police officer on the scene at Blue Rock Springs. As claimed,and documented in police reports,Richard Hoffman arrived at the crime scene,to find Mageau sprawled out on the ground,injured,having extricated himself from Darlene Ferrin's vehicle.One can only presume that Hoffman was,as tactfully as possible,introducing himself,to the ailing Mageau. If anyone is in doubt,then I recommend that they watch the interview of Mike Mageau. I believe it apparent,beyond any doubt,that Mike Mageau's ''Richard'' reference,is for Hoffman.....and ''not'' the Zodiac Killer....who had long absconded the scene. I think you are referring to the part from 24:45 to 25:21… “This is the Zodiac Speaking” |
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Post by Hoganpc on Jan 8, 2018 7:43:35 GMT -8
It seems that linking a suspect to one of the murders based on a motive specific to one victim eliminates the suspect as the zodiak.
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Post by Ricardo on Jan 8, 2018 14:31:51 GMT -8
It seems that linking a suspect to one of the murders based on a motive specific to one victim eliminates the suspect as the zodiak. The possible motive was presented as one of the reasons for this police officer to be considered as a suspect. A suspect would not be eliminated based upon a possible motive. A suspect would be eliminated based upon known facts. For example, the timeline must also be examined... Darlene Ferrin was Dead On Arrival at Kaiser Hospital at approximately 12:38 a.m.. However, the telephone call to the Vallejo Police Department switchboard was received at 12:40 a.m.. |
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Post by Francy on Apr 23, 2018 8:13:34 GMT -8
I am looking for the following information on Richard Hoffman(VPD-Ret). When was he born, where was he born and where was he raised prior to his employment at VPD; Any assistance will be greatly appreciated in this regard.
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Post by sbriverglen on Apr 26, 2018 4:55:39 GMT -8
I am seeking basic biographical information regarding Richard Hoffman, Where was he born? What schools did he attend? Scouts. little league etc. etc. What was his servvice and working experience before joining the VPD? Info in regard to any RH history prior to his stint at the police department will be greatly appreciated.
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Post by Crow on Jul 12, 2019 6:42:39 GMT -8
 This is the only picture of officer Hoffman from that period that I could find, and coincidentally identical to a zodiac sketch. There was some really strange things happening in the Vallejo Police Department at that time as well... Any way... |
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Post by Crow on Jul 12, 2019 7:12:47 GMT -8
just to be clear, zresearch and crow are the only names I have ever posted under regarding zodiac. ...apparently others have taken up the theory and continued where I stopped.
Okay, the only hole in the Hoffman theory is that payphone call 2 minutes after Darlene was pronounced dead at Kaiser...
Here's what I think:
the payphone on Springs Road and Tuolumne Street that was used to call in the confession is not far at all from the Kaiser hospital at 975 Sereno Dr. where Mike and Darlene were taken. My time-line shows that Hoffman easily could have made the call, leaving the hospital just after Darlene was pronounced dead.
My information does not mention richard Hoffman remaining at the hospital to collect statements from Mike. Mike gave an initial statement before the ambulance ride. Then, Michael Mageau gave his statements at Kaiser Hospital on 6th July 1969, with Detective Ed Rust.
Nobody reports Hoffman staying at the hospital, he could have immediately left the hospital driving to Springs Road and Tuolumne Street to make the call, this could have done in under two minutes.
Also Hoffman and Buzz Gordon had been in a fist fight just before Darlene 's murder perhaps they both had motive to want Darlene dead...possibly working together.
it was stated that Darlene was romantically involved with 2 vpd officers...
Any way, it's been a long time since I've tried to solve blue rock springs, I only 're-entered the subject as a friend showed me others were recently posting on other sites about it....
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Post by Crow on Jul 12, 2019 7:13:57 GMT -8
I am seeking basic biographical information regarding Richard Hoffman, Where was he born? What schools did he attend? Scouts. little league etc. etc. What was his servvice and working experience before joining the VPD? Info in regard to any RH history prior to his stint at the police department will be greatly appreciated. Good luck, I tried and failed, I couldn't even find a good picture of the guy from the zodiac period... |
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Post by Crow on Jul 12, 2019 7:39:15 GMT -8
some recent thoughts:
Transcription:
Host asks Hoffman: you knew her before the attack right?]
Rh: I never laid eyes on her.
Host: never laid eyes on her?
Rh:no, no. I heard that she was uh waitress at uh, uh, an all night restaurant uh in vallejo. [Makes a face] I, uh, I didn't know the girl at all. [Fades out] fades back in rh: Graysmith wrote a book about the zodiac, and he mentioned in his book that I was at her, Darlene and her husband's house, on a house painting party, prior to her death, and [condescending tone] I don't know anything about that, wasn't me, but that's what he says in his book. -transcribed from this is the zodiac speaking documentary
Darlene worked at an all night diner in vallejo, and officer Hoffman was a plain clothed police officer whose job was to police "lovers lane" areas, so he would often be out late at night to police teens. Darlene frequented the area that Hoffman was assigned to police, so it seems odd that he never met her...
...something also makes me wonder, do you really think a waitress at an all night vallejo diner, in what was back then a small community, really would not have encountered Hoffman at least a few times? Where else would Hoffman get coffee during or after a shift? I think he is lying in the "this is the zodiac speaking" documentary.
RH: I was working uh..as a patrol officer in uh..juvenile division, that was a plain clothes assignment, [takes a deep breath] now I had just been out to blue rock springs uh half our or so before that, and uh,uh, checked the area, and found it closed, uh, my purpose out there was to make sure there were no teenagers hanging out, drinkin', fightin', what ever they [trails off] the park was closed, [takes a deep breath] and there was no activity out there when I passed through a half hour or so ahead of of that time.
So an officer in the juvenile division who patrolled one of Darlene's frequent hang out spots (blue rock springs) never met her before? Seems very unlikely.
Also, zodiac attacked "lovers lane" locations, and Hoffman's job was to police those areas...
RH: I was working uh..as a patrol officer in uh..juvenile division, that was a plain clothes assignment. ... my purpose out there was to make sure there were no teenagers hanging out, drinkin', fightin', what ever they [trails off]
Perfect job for zodiac, no?
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Post by TT on Feb 22, 2023 9:02:26 GMT -8
Richard Hoffman also had scars/wrinkles on one side of his forehead just like Gary Post who was not Zosdiac
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Post by Frankie on Jan 9, 2024 19:54:27 GMT -8
I started looking into the blue rock springs case by simply looking at the evidence. Who were the only individuals known on the crime scene? Officer Hoffman, Mike Mageau, and Darlene ferrin. Officer Hoffman had used his radio to report that nobody was in the area just before the murder, which I thought was strange as he should have seen Darlene's car. Granted someone else who was not seen could have been there, but I wanted to stick to the known individuals before moving into speculation. Officer Hoffman was the first on the scene. Officer hoffman admits to touching both victims and to moving Mike Mageau's wallet. So the scene was altered by Hoffman before anybody else had arrived. Officer Hoffman then rides in the ambulance with Darlene "in case she said anything", which as a police officer seems reasonable, however, if he was the killer this would have made much more sense, its also incredibly creepy. It is claimed that officer Hoffman was at Darlene's "painting party", though he firmly denies this claim. Hoffman Also denies ever knowing Darlene. It is rumored that darlene was dating two Vallejo Police Officers. Mike Mageau Claims that they were being followed, when He Asked Darlene, She said "He Is Just Jealous" And to "not Worry About It", In The "This Is The Zodiac Speaking" Documentary, Mike Mentions That Darlene Told Him That His Name Was RICHARD. Mike initially thought that he Was Being Stopped By The Police, He Even Was begining To Prepare His Wallet When The Killer Approached The Car. The Victims Were Shot With A 9Mm. At This Point In Time Police Forces Were Switching Out Their Revolvers For 9mm guns. a call Made After THe Murder Was Placed From A Phone Near The Vallejo Police Department. If The Riverside Case Was a True Zodiac Crime It Is Worth Noting That Poem On The Desk Was Initialed With The LEtters "RH", Which Could Stand For "Richard Hoffman" Cecelia Ann Shepard, one of the Victims From the Lake Berryessa Murder Was Attending College In Riverside. It Appears That The Females Were The True Targets, Which Explains Why He Failed To Kill Two OF The Males, His Focus Were ThE Female Targets, Which Were Not Random, He Likey Knew Them. Another strange coincidence, in the first ciphers sent to the news papers the crossed circle, the "zodiac symbol" represented the letter "d", and assuming that the zodiac is an egotistical person I'm guessing his symbol would have been chosen to represent the first letter of his name "d" for "dick hoffman" fellow officers on the force would call him "dick" not "richard". I Have Been Having Severe Technical Difficulties While Writing This, My First post, Which Was Far More Detailed Got Erased When I Attempted TO Add Photos, And My Keyboard Keeps Shifting Into Caps Randomly. There Was so MUch More I Had To Say, ANd It Was Presented In A Far More Consistant Manner...Oh Well. |
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Post by Frankie on Jan 9, 2024 19:55:35 GMT -8
I started looking into the blue rock springs case by simply looking at the evidence. Who were the only individuals known on the crime scene? Officer Hoffman, Mike Mageau, and Darlene ferrin. Officer Hoffman had used his radio to report that nobody was in the area just before the murder, which I thought was strange as he should have seen Darlene's car. Granted someone else who was not seen could have been there, but I wanted to stick to the known individuals before moving into speculation. Officer Hoffman was the first on the scene. Officer hoffman admits to touching both victims and to moving Mike Mageau's wallet. So the scene was altered by Hoffman before anybody else had arrived. Officer Hoffman then rides in the ambulance with Darlene "in case she said anything", which as a police officer seems reasonable, however, if he was the killer this would have made much more sense, its also incredibly creepy. It is claimed that officer Hoffman was at Darlene's "painting party", though he firmly denies this claim. Hoffman Also denies ever knowing Darlene. It is rumored that darlene was dating two Vallejo Police Officers. Mike Mageau Claims that they were being followed, when He Asked Darlene, She said "He Is Just Jealous" And to "not Worry About It", In The "This Is The Zodiac Speaking" Documentary, Mike Mentions That Darlene Told Him That His Name Was RICHARD. Mike initially thought that he Was Being Stopped By The Police, He Even Was begining To Prepare His Wallet When The Killer Approached The Car. The Victims Were Shot With A 9Mm. At This Point In Time Police Forces Were Switching Out Their Revolvers For 9mm guns. a call Made After THe Murder Was Placed From A Phone Near The Vallejo Police Department. If The Riverside Case Was a True Zodiac Crime It Is Worth Noting That Poem On The Desk Was Initialed With The LEtters "RH", Which Could Stand For "Richard Hoffman" Cecelia Ann Shepard, one of the Victims From the Lake Berryessa Murder Was Attending College In Riverside. It Appears That The Females Were The True Targets, Which Explains Why He Failed To Kill Two OF The Males, His Focus Were ThE Female Targets, Which Were Not Random, He Likey Knew Them. Another strange coincidence, in the first ciphers sent to the news papers the crossed circle, the "zodiac symbol" represented the letter "d", and assuming that the zodiac is an egotistical person I'm guessing his symbol would have been chosen to represent the first letter of his name "d" for "dick hoffman" fellow officers on the force would call him "dick" not "richard". I Have Been Having Severe Technical Difficulties While Writing This, My First post, Which Was Far More Detailed Got Erased When I Attempted TO Add Photos, And My Keyboard Keeps Shifting Into Caps Randomly. There Was so MUch More I Had To Say, ANd It Was Presented In A Far More Consistant Manner...Oh Well. |
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