The persuasive inference then, that concerned citizen/ S C / The Zodiac refers to both the 408 cipher and the 340 cipher as '' Multi Substitution Ciphers ''. That is to say, ciphers that contain polyalphabetic symbols deployed.
This however, contradicts the claim by the FBI, on December 11th 2020, with an acknowledgement of the 340 solution offered by Doranchak/ Jarive / Sam.
The 340 solution offered by Doranchak/ Jarive / Sam contains neither polyalphabetic symbols - nor makes a contingency for the possibility of polyalphabetic symbols.
Here is the solution to the 340 cipher, as actually offered by Doranchak/ Jarive / Sam - with no '' magic wand '' available that might make it look better :
I HOPE YOU ARE HAVING LOTS OF FAN IN TRYING TO CATCH ME THAT WASNT MK ON THE TV SHOW WHICH BRINGO UP A POINT ABOUT ME I AM NOT AFRAID OF THE GAS CHAMBER BECAASE IT WILL SEND ME TO PARADLCE ALL THE SOOHER BECAUSE K NOW HAVE ENOUGH SLAVES TO WORV FOR ME WHERE EVERY ONE ELSE HAS NOTHING WHEN THEY REACH PARALICK SO THEY ARE AFRAID OF LEATH I AM NOT AFRAID BECAUSE I VNOW THAT MY NEW LIFE IS LIFE WILL BE AN EASY ONE IN PARADICE DEATH
( All 340 characters accounted for )
Last Edit: Jul 25, 2021 4:45:27 GMT -8 by Rubislaw32
The author of the 1988 New Canaan Letters , claiming to be the Zodiac, referred to '' multi substitution ciphers '' ( plural ), and it is established, to date, that the 408 cipher key sheet offered by '' concerned citizen '' which, included 8 polyalphabetic symbols, presents a solution with least perceived errors ( 3 - PARADICE, EXPERENCE, THA ).
The Zodiac contributors Doranchak, Jarive and Sam elected to dismiss the possibility that the 340 cipher might be a multiple substitution cipher, containing the deployment of any polyalphabetic symbols. Doranchak, Jarive and Sam elected to regard the 340 cipher's solving as one that contained symbols that were exclusively homophonic ( one-to-one ).
The solution to the 340 cipher, from Doranchak, Jarive and Sam, as a finished actual presentation, contains 12 (twelve) perceived errors :
FAN ( FUN ) ; MK ( ME ) ; BRINGO ( BRINGS ) ; BECAASE ( BECAUSE ) ; PARADLCE ( PARADISE ) ; SOOHER ( SOONER ) ; K ( I ) ; WORV ( WORK ) ; PARALICK ( PARADISE ) ; LEATH ( DEATH ) ; VNOW ( KNOW ) ; PARADICE ( PARADISE ) .
The elected theme of the 340 solution, as offered by Doranchak, Jarive, and Sam, is '' PARADISE '', as a resting place for the Zodiac and his chosen slaves.
The thematic word '' PARADISE '' accounts for 3 of the 12 errors : '' PARADLCE '', '' PARALICK '' and '' PARADICE ''.
These are the basic and technical facts about an elected solution to the 340 cipher, that has actually been acknowledged by the FBI whom, had previously officially dismissed the '' stepping '' uncover technique employed by Doranchak, Jarive and Sam, in order to find raw material symbols for the re-arranging of, so that they were able to create understandable and lucid ( ? ) English Language.
Not least, that there is now proof that in the four days leading up to a disclosure of acknowledgement ( Dec.11th 2020 ), by the FBI, of the 340 cipher solution offered by Doranchak, Jarive and Sam, that Dan Olson, the FBI's Cryptanalysis head, had deceived Doranchak that the families of Zodiac victims had been informed about the solution.
The families of the Zodiac's victims were NOT informed about the 340 solution, as offered by Doranchak, Jarive and Sam, and as claimed by the FBI's Dan Olson to Doranchak.
Last Edit: Jul 25, 2021 8:19:12 GMT -8 by Rubislaw32
Post by Rubislaw32 on Jul 25, 2021 17:28:34 GMT -8
I note now, that the Zodiac contributor Doranchak confirms, by illustrating exclusively homophonic matchings, between cipher text symbols and their presumed plain text alphabet translations, that it is Doranchak & Co's opinion, that NEITHER the 408 cipher NOR the 340 cipher were Multiple Substitution Ciphers.
Clearly, and by implication of acknowledging Doranchak & Co's 340 cipher solution offering ( '' by private citizens '' ), the FBI's cryptanalysis unit share Doranchak & Co's opinion.
And, this flies in the face of a solution offered for the 408 cipher by '' concerned citizen ''which, leaves a superior solution than that of the Hardens for whom, Doranchak & Co employ as their marker for a solved 408 cipher.
Confirmed Timeline to the FBI's Dec. 11th 2020 tweet, acknowledging Doranchak & Co's 340 cipher solution. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sunday 6th December 2020 - Doranchak & Co '' down tools '' having spent 8 months attempting their best computer-generated English Language composed message, after the FBI's Dan Olson conveys to Doranchak : '' It's looking solid, Dave.''
Monday 7th December 2020 - The FBI's Dan Olson conveys to Doranchak that the FBI will not be ready to announce a recognition of '' a Zodiac cipher solved by private citizens '' until Friday 11th December 2020, on account of informing the families of the Zodiac's victims of a noteworthy achievement in the Zodiac case, despite the Zodiac yet to be apprehended, in 52 years of claimed attempts by the FBI and their law enforcement partners. The informing of the Zodiac's victims' families of the newly offered 340 cipher solution NEVER HAPPENED, and the FBI's Dan Olson was deceiving Doranchak, to claim that it did take place.
Friday 11th December 2020 - The FBI employ a tweet from their San Francisco division, to acknowledge the cipher solved by '' private citizens ''. This is the first FBI public declaration of any sort, with respect to the Zodiac Killer case, in more than 50 years. Previously, the FBI had messaged the public that an autographed letter of thanks from J Edgar Hoover awaited members of the public who submitted interesting tips on the case, to the FBI.
The news that went around the world ? Yes indeed, on the FBI's '' say so '', based on a perceived solution to the 340 cipher, by Doranchak & Co that was deemed to be '' Exclusively Homophonic ''.
The claimed Zodiac , April 1988, with reference to the 340 cipher and the question asked in his April 1970 letter, with the 340 cipher being the second known cipher that he created :
'' By the way, have you cracked that last cipher I sent you ? Someone really smart would need to help you with that, as you are too shallow for anything on the order of MULTPLE SUBSTITUTION CIPHERS.''.
Last Edit: Jul 28, 2021 6:13:53 GMT -8 by Rubislaw32
Yup...those phone calls just keep coming, at very specific times - until I stick a '' 1572 '' on them .
How long more now, Z ? The FBI have already given away the game that they were complacent beyond comprehension, for all those years and, only making matters worse now, with their breath-taking prevarication. Just leaves one wondering if Claude '' Chuchessa '' Hubert is still alive in Guyana , living off honest American tax-payers contributions. J Edgar Hoover certainly left a few ghosts behind, in his wake.
Not too long now, though Z, despite the '' Fibbers '' cringing over an outcome, that will show up their contempt for the concept of noble public service - and you referring to them as '' Neo-Fascist Cops '' wasn't far off the mark, for those brutal times, in certain quarters. No wonder Riverside P.D. wanted nothing to do with them, and would have fought to the bitter end, to stop them treading one foot into leafy suburban Riverside's back yard, over the murder of Cheri Jo. You didn't murder her anyway and, 4 years had already elapsed when your correspondences did become apparent to the Fibbers. I bet they were really annoyed that they had been stitched up on information deliberately withheld from them by Riverside P.D. and their Bay area P.D. real partners ?
November 4th 1968 sets the scene though, and you know perfectly well what happened then ( ? ) . Six weeks later, and your attack at Lake Herman Road. A damn fool thing to do, and inevitable that your true motive would eventually be uncovered. And, was a taxi driver really worth it ? - to be deaf in one ear for the rest of your life. How on earth did you pass that particular injury off to your young wife ?
Just a matter of time now, before that call comes, early morning.
Still taking the heart prescription pills ?
Last Edit: Jul 28, 2021 6:20:13 GMT -8 by Rubislaw32
Post by Rubislaw32 on Jul 28, 2021 17:04:38 GMT -8
Hey Z... you really loved the concept of middle names, eh ?
'' Mouron '' for Melvin Belli ? '' Strange '' for Robert McNamara ? And, even '' Scott Key '' for F Scott Fitzgerald ( Francis Scott Key Fitzgerald ). '' This side of paradise ''.
Oh yes... oh yes . And, lo and behold, the inference of Hollywood actor Wayne Rogers, in the 1988 New Canaan riddle. And NOT Larry Hagman ( I dream of Jeannie, 15 years later ). So...NOT '' JR '', but '' Wayne Rogers ''...mmm interesting.
Sneaky S.O.B.. You have some brass neck, I grant you (...hey, see the pun ? Geddit ?..).
And '' strike a light '', even the name '' Michael '' when having a go at Billy Graham...AND Robert Graysmith ( May 27th 2009 - IRS, Knoxville, TN ) That November 4th 1968 date, never too far etched in your memory.
Yes indeed, the FBI haven't always been that bright and, when they have shone a little, they just use the opportunity to lie their pants off.
'' Twin St.Michael Mounts '' - hands across the English Channel, and all that it entails. I know...I know...
'' Le bon ....'' - perhaps too close to the bone ? ( Noble Pleasure ). But you do like to be the teaser, giving radio messages ( Red Phantom, Imperial Wizard to Zodiac ). Even, actually '' joining the dots '' on the 13 Hole card. Oh how I laughed - what a '' creaser '' ! Dig it ?
The wannabe Butcher, The Baker's dozen, The Candlestick bomb maker....you were all of them - so very talented, in your own mind.
Cor Blimey, Monsieur.
Last Edit: Jul 30, 2021 15:53:51 GMT -8 by Rubislaw32
P.S. Why the key ring with an ornamental playing card ? The extra gift from you. Although attractive, I had wondered about the selection of the '' King of Spades ''.
But of course it all became apparent with '' Marble Man '' and '' King of Spades ''- General Robert E.Lee - the most decorated adopted son of Texas.
So...you and William Joseph Grant playing '' The Civil War '' all over again ? Trouble was, that he didn't know that he was in a game, to start with and, when he found out - it was all your own rules !! The Stage Yankee vs. The King of Spades - how one-sided for you.
But Grant was a much harder nut to crack, than you thought ( ? ). And, that's really why you went blubbing to Belli.
'' Please help me I am drownding '' - yes, out of your depth. What a woosy.
Last Edit: Jul 31, 2021 1:52:02 GMT -8 by Rubislaw32
The Butcher ? Kathy Snoozy, Debra Furlong and Kathy Bilek were proven victims of Karl Werner. And, Reet Jurvetson ( phantom 8th victim ) a.k.a '' Sherry Doe '' merely pushed again as a false claim by the Zodiac, in the May 2nd 1978 Channel 9 letter, by virtue of the elected Melrose Avenue ( L.A. ) address.
The Zodiac, beyond doubt to date, only ever elected to take a sword bayonet to Lake Berryessa where, he was responsible for the murder of Cecelia Shepard, and attempted murder of Bryan Hartnell. The ploy to promote the notion that he might be another '' Jack the Ripper '', in order to further engender fear, did not cut mustard with law enforcement and, is often seen now, as a tactic from the Zodiac, to mask the fact that he only had one gun remaining which, was subsequently saved for the execution of a cabbie, Paul Stine.
The Baker ? The Zodiac had no blood ties to the famous siege of The Alamo - The pride of a Texan where he figuratively draws a line in the sand. It is certainly possible though, that the Zodiac was biologically conceived in San Antonio, home of the famous fortification. And, that the Zodiac is a Texan, by birth.
The Candlestick maker ? The probable reality for which the Zodiac was capable - as a fire-starter. But, the notion of his abilities to concoct an explosive device of large scale and dependency, is extremely doubtful - particularly on judgement of his bomb diagrams and procrastination. A number of ( unconfirmed ) phone calls claiming bombs left and primed, at the time of the Zodiac's reign of terror, may have been from him, but as a bomb hoaxer.
Last Edit: Jul 31, 2021 2:51:19 GMT -8 by Rubislaw32
In returning to the core of this thread's subject matter, I believe that it really should be emphasised that when the Zodiac's 408 cipher solution is illustrated in its minimized-error English Language form, it is specifically with the solution that uses '' Concerned Citizen's '' cipher key sheet, and NOT the Harden's one.
Nothing but respect is attributed to the Hardens, for their attempt, but '' all roads '' actually lead to '' concerned citizen '' being the Zodiac himself and creator of this cipher, with his deployment of 8 polyalphabetic symbols, reducing the solution to only 3 perceived errors - PARADICE, EXPERENCE and THA .
About three years ago, I decided to enact '' concerned citizen's '' decryption of the 408, according to his key sheet. It was a laborious process, involving about 2 days of my time. But, thoroughly worth it, in order to understand what he ( the presumed Zodiac ) had gone through, and probable decisions made, at the actual time of presenting a finished cipher text which, he wished to offer local Bay area newspapers, in three parts.
At the time, I had made it known that I wished for at least one other cipher buff from the Zodiac community to re-tread concerned citizen's footsteps, as I had done - in order that perceived decisions that '' concerned citizen '' made, could be discussed in more detail. This included the contributor Doranchak who, soon after, expressed that the task '' looked like too much hard work ''. How ironic ( ? ), that Doranchak should become part of a team that is in denial that the Zodiac ever considered the notion of employing polyalphabetic symbols, for both the 408 and 340 ciphers.
For, there would be something very remiss about how the FBI's Cryptanalysis Unit, if, unlike me, had not '' processed '' concerned citizen's cipher keys in order to see for themselves, how they affected a solution outcome to the 408 cipher - and, how this solution compared with the one offered by the Hardens.
There really is no other conclusion, bar the consideration that the Zodiac's ciphers are just one part of a criminal investigation :
THE FBI HAVE INSULTED THE ART AND SCIENCE OF CRYPTOLOGY, and the art, science, language and logic of Mathematics.
They see themselves as simply crimefighters and, only believe that they serve the public's best interests, by sticking to this remit.
It is all very well, when their philosophy is put into practice, and succeeds.
But, when it fails - and as miserably as their woeful efforts over 52 years, with the case of the Zodiac Killer, with such matters as prevarication over aspects to the Zodiac's extortion - it just makes them look like prats at best. But, more worryingly, FRAUDULENT and MORALLY CORRUPT.
A service to the public, on their own terms ? - marking four years of service, under President Trump, with Trump firing their then Director James Comey, for '' showboating '', followed by Mr.Trump ordering Comey's '' permanent '' replacement Christopher Wray, to '' clean up your mess '' .
Nice endorsements of a once proud organization ( ? ) .
'' Gone to the dogs ''.
Last Edit: Aug 1, 2021 11:28:39 GMT -8 by Rubislaw32
As a confirmation of sorts that the FBI were indeed, DECEIVING the public, over a knowingly false acknowledgement of the Zodiac's 340 cipher having been solved by Doranchak, Jarive and Sam's crude computer-generated pastiche of a solution offered, it is time for me, Rubislaw 32, to start putting my head above the parapet and convey the correct solution, in greater technical detail.
To start with, and for the record, the 6 polyalphabetic symbols deployed by the Zodiac, in his 340 cipher which, was NOT exclusively homophonic - but a multiple substitution cipher :
''9'' symbol - equates to S or T
''B'' symbol - equates to A or S
''Dot'' symbol - equates to A or P
''+'' symbol - equates to E or N
''W'' symbol - equates to A or R
''Saturn'' symbol - equates to I or S
And, as '' concerned citizen '' a.k.a. The Zodiac, wrote in April 1988, as an elaboration on what he had already alluded to, 18 years prior :
'' By the way, have you cracked that last cipher I sent you ? Someone really smart would need to help you with that, as you are too shallow on the order of MULTIPLE SUBSTITUTION CIPHERS.''
Although '' concerned citizen '' a.k.a The Zodiac had written this down, in order to show off to George Webster, father of murder victim Joan Webster, the sentiments and message was clearly DIRECTED AT THE FBI's CRYPTANALYSIS UNIT. And, if they didn't know in April 1988 - they certainly ought to, by now.
Shame on you FBI - a disgrace to the families of the victims of the Zodiac Killer, and the public, for whom you are entrusted to serve with honour and probity.
Your disgrace, FBI, is only going to be compounded more, as time goes by and, the very least that you might consider, is to come clean as soon as possible. It seems that the Zodiac dictates to you to this day - ever since he first got under your skin, with the San Jose Cryptogram of November 21st 1969.
In a shambles ever since ( ? ) - as he has mocked you and kept you on the back foot, for the last 52 years.
Last Edit: Aug 1, 2021 17:58:33 GMT -8 by Rubislaw32
As a play on John Lennon's words in The Beatles song '' Glass Onion '' :
'' Here's another clue for you all - The Walrus was '' concerned citizen ''. '' - with the Egg Man , Eric Burdon of The Animals - and the '' Egg Men '', the FBI.
The Zodiac had elected '' Telytype Codes '' to be his composition theme, for the 340 cipher solution - and NOT '' Paradise '', as guessed by Doranchak & Co, falsely acknowledged by the FBI.
'' Teletype printouts '' of telephonic messages - Zodiac expressing encoded information as the subject matter of an encoded message. The Zodiac at his most innovatively surreal best ? It would seem to be the case.
'' TT CODE '' - appearing three times in the 340 Cipher solution and, spelled correctly each time. Unlike Doranchak & Co's '' PARADISE '' which, although their guessed theme, found that it was misspelled three times - '' PARADLCE '', '' PARALICK '' and '' PARADICE ''.
The FBI may have got away with feeding provincial detective, Terry Poyser, false information concerning '' 2 envelopes & a secret lab. '' which, bought law enforcement some needed breathing space, and kept a curious public from bothering Bay area P.D.'s in the wake of the arrest of The Golden State Killer. Neither myself nor The Benicia Herald were convinced of Poyser's newsworthy declaration, for one proverbial minute. But, it was something distracting and persuading, and at a time that the public wished to be positively persuaded over California's '' other '' outstanding cold case - The Zodiac Killer.
But, this time the FBI have really breached credibility - making the mistake of taking a branch of mathematics' name in vain.
To the FBI : Mathematics represents the only irrefutable truth - and you really believe that you can get away with messing with it ? You have taken leave of your dishonest senses, this time and, an inevitability that your foolishness will be exposed. Was it to simply buy more time ( ? ) - or protect your self-interests ?
You just '' lost the plot '' - both figuratively and literally.
'' The Egg Men '' - continuation and replication of abject simplicity and failure to hatch into something meaningful.
Goo goo g'joob.
Last Edit: Aug 2, 2021 15:25:28 GMT -8 by Rubislaw32
And, just to remind readers here, of the '' Baptism of Fire '' for the FBI when, first encountering a spoonful of the Zodiac's particular brand of medicine :
A tiny cryptogram , ''( - + 6 2 + - ) '', sent initially to San Jose P.D., on November 21st 1969, with request that it should be passed on to the FBI's Butte Office, in Montana.
Easy for the FBI to solve in their lunchbreak, using rudimentary alphabetical position substitution : '' O I F B I O '', which infers O - 1 , FBI - O .
'' Egg Man - one, Egg Men - nil '', with obvious allusions to '' I am the Walrus '' by The Beatles and, an answer with Edgar Allan Poe joint references, to Dr.Marsh's challenge to the Zodiac, one month prior, to leave the Zodiac's real name in a cipher.
Indeed...the FBI had become the '' Butte '' of the Zodiac's joke.
And, appearing to deliver a damaging blow to the FBI's delicate ego, from which they have never recovered, in the subsequent 52 years, to date.
'' Man, you should have seen them kicking Edgar Allan Poe.''
Last Edit: Aug 3, 2021 1:15:48 GMT -8 by Rubislaw32
Just to fill readers in with some basic information about '' Prudence '' the Yorkshire Terrier. She was a gift to Sharon Tate by her husband, film director Roman Polanski, after Sharon's then canine companion '' Sappy '' had died. Roman had already named the Yorkie '' Prudence '', in honour of actress Mia Farrow's sister Prudence who, had had a calming affect on the film crew involved in the making of Polanski's film '' Rosemary's Baby ''. Prudence Farrow was something of a practising mystic and meditator and, had previously joined Mia when part of a group of celebrities who ventured to India, and a stay with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Included in the party were the members of The Beatles and, Prudence's calming and curious presence had prompted John Lennon to write the song '' Dear Prudence ''.
On the morning of August 9th 1969, Polanski and Tate's housekeeper discovered the horrors that had taken place the night before and, promptly called the police. The first two detectives arriving that morning, started by making a physical survey of the whole property and, discovered Prudence hiding in a closet inside the house. Prudence then, was the only living survivor of the massacre that had taken place.
As documented, Sharon Tate's sister Debra was to take custody of Prudence and she ended up being adopted by Sharon and Debra's parents. A reasonable long life for Prudence was sadly cut short, when accidentally run over in their driveway and, even more poignant perhaps, by Debra herself.
Last Edit: Aug 10, 2021 6:22:55 GMT -8 by Rubislaw32
Rubislaw32: The Zodiac then in his writings, imitating life imitating art imitating life. There seems to have been that surrealistic side to him in evidence - imagining himself as Dan Cooper the skyjacker, a desk top poem, a mural, and even a message in a bottle.
Dec 7, 2022 19:47:30 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: But, if we examine Jack as a template of fear used by the Zodiac, we see a man who actually strangled all his known victims - only to then desecrate them after death. And, someone who was impersonated in writing by someone else, using red ink - not blood.
Dec 7, 2022 19:31:22 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...likely an old sword bayonet was employed - accompanied by a gun for persuading victims' submission. Thereafter, the Zodiac appears to have often referenced Jack the Ripper by inference, to perpetuate the lie that he was an ''all round killing machine''.
Dec 7, 2022 19:23:47 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...which represented the facts about him. All indications to date suggest that the Zodiac was not a ''man of blades'', with his Lake Berryessa attack a ''one-off'' on account that he was running out of guns. And in that case, a double-edged blade, most...
Dec 7, 2022 19:15:33 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ..yet to be brought to justice, so nothing actually ''from the horse's mouth''. And B) The Zodiac kept reminding us that his writings were all about leaving ''clews'' - a combination of truth, lies and red herrings. And up to the readers to sort out that..
Dec 7, 2022 19:10:14 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: As negative criticism is heaped on the new Netflix TV series about Jeffrey Dahmer for deliberate misrepresentation of the facts, it's worth considering the pertinence of any filmic representation of the Zodiac for accuracy, given that A) The Zodiac has....
Dec 7, 2022 19:04:02 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Donna Lass reward poster : ''Family are confident that her abductor/murderer will be arrested, tried and found guilty.''. Now then, human remains were placed by Flume Trail, just 7 weeks before the FBI's Dec 11th 2020 Tweet. Everything out at once - FBI ?
Dec 6, 2022 18:59:55 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: You are the weakest link FBI, as CA DOJ considers arresting the Zodiac. With the MA DOJ having little to be proud about. But FBI - instead of behaving yourselves, you have become headless chickens in the wake of Comey's dismissal and disgrace. Dead meat.
Dec 6, 2022 16:03:58 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: So you see FBI, Z has your number on attempting to blame him for Donna Lass - an Achilles heel for you FBI. In addition, Z will know that Boston D.A. Jonathan Blodgett assisted James Comey to impress the Crown Office with Joan Webster's case file.
Dec 6, 2022 15:54:45 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...to Donna's victimhood, instead of Judith Hakari. Then in (circa) 1997, with the Zodiac's poster superimposition of a cipher, indicating that the Zodiac had changed his assessment, Z blamed the FBI exclusively (BEWARE I AM STALKING DOUBLE-ZERO !).
Dec 6, 2022 15:48:57 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: So, for the Zodiac out there still at liberty, in 1974 he sent Donna's sister Mary a Christmas card inferring that Donna had been allocated ''Guardian of the Pines'' - believing that Mary was in on knowledge that the FBI had allocated the Pines card to....
Dec 6, 2022 15:44:20 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Face it FBI - you are ''screwed'' in all directions with influential LE hierarchies - and all of your case cover-ups have been observed; each with reasons, known by your peers. A ''can of worms'' - eh FBI ? But morally, the worst of these is Donna Lass.
Dec 6, 2022 9:01:04 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Moreover, and as far as I am aware, NCIS Washington D.C. were actually the first to know about the ''solution'' (MR Z = SON) under the Marianne Moore postage stamp, beyond CA DOJ & FBI. NCIS's first contact then, was with the Crown Office or US DOJ.
Dec 6, 2022 8:54:13 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: The implication then, that Comey cottoned on to Grant's DNA indicating he was Z's probable father, in 2014 - and went off in a ''hissy fit'', then breaking the law. And, with this information having emanated via the Crown Office (UK). Comey's downfall.
Dec 6, 2022 7:54:47 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: And, this is what the fall-out in the Zodiac case between CA DOJ & FBI seems to have come down to : James Comey felt that CA DOJ should have informed FBI about William Grant's DNA in 2002/2003. Whereas CA DOJ were officially, under no obligation to do so.
Dec 6, 2022 7:35:31 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...testing & eliminations that involved CA DOJ & FBI work, at the behest of President George W Bush. It may be the case then, that the FBI feel they were ''blind-sided'' by CA DOJ. FBI however, were in the service of CA DOJ like PD's, and no extra rights.
Dec 6, 2022 7:26:45 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...Zodiac Intelligence processors, one can't be certain if they the FBI received a similar circular as police departments, from CA DOJ. But 2004 would be in keeping with the DNA testing and suspects eliminations that took place 2002/2003. Those DNA....
Dec 6, 2022 7:23:02 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...from case custodians CA DOJ, to proactively investigate - so it seems that the circular was more related to letting PD's know that specific task requests from CA DOJ would no longer be forthcoming. Since the FBI held a different case role, as ....
Dec 6, 2022 7:19:16 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Albeit unconfirmed, information I have read is that in 2004, a general circular went out to all PD's with Zodiac case connections, from the CA DOJ, that the case was to be ''run down'' on scale of investigations. PD's had to be served or gain permission...
Dec 6, 2022 7:14:20 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: That was poetic : The FBI peeled away the Marianne Moore postage stamp on the 1990 Celebrity Cipher card, to reveal that ''MR Z = SON''. Horrors for the FBI to find later that the CA DOJ had done them over William Joseph Grant's DNA. He was Z's Secret Pa.
Dec 5, 2022 23:26:02 GMT -8