Have you ever tried to put your story to video Sandy? like a low budget film So many film students out there, it might be cheap & easy and interesting to watch ,that fiction new Z related film is doing ok I read
"RH" you refer to, the desk poem in Riverside was signed "rh" In the Cheri Jo Bates murder a watch was found, a Timex, and the following Christmass Arthur Leigh Allen's Mother bought him a new watch a "Zodiac" watch, did the Police ever ask him what happened to his other watch? Do the Police in Riverside still have the Timex? Have they attempted ever to see if there is/was any DNA on it? thank you.
Your question about what happened to Allen's other watch? He probably put it in a drawer and forgot about it. Allen's watch wouldn't need to checked for DNA, because they have his DNA and it is not a match to Zodiac's. Riverside has their watch and that is what they are probably using for DNA testing.There is something going on with several police departments about the case right now.
Wow, Sandy! I'm impressed with your ability to keep such a cool head in spite of these horrible and terrifying stalkings over such a long period of your life. The late 60's and early 70's does indeed sound like a very creepy time in Calfornia history with the Zodiac and Manson family murders happening. Also, all the Zodiac killer's taunting letters to the police and press. Glad that you have lived through the close calls...I'm sure your cars were definitely sabotaged by whoever this creepo is or maybe even multiple ones. All the best and I have heard about the Southern man from Baton Rouge who is convinced that his father was the Zodiac; I'm planning on reading his two books on the subject.
There is something going on with the case ,from several police depts. .... More on this ...please recently there has been much to do with zodiac k ...in entertainment ,news ,like somethings up ,they know something we dont
I just re-read my comment , that I knew what I had?? I had no idea at that time that it was a costume worn by the killer! If I had any idea what it was, I would have taken it to Napa pd on the spot! It was many yrs later that I realized what was put in our car in Napa.
Thanks to Robert Graysmith's drawing of the Lake Berryessa costume in his first Z book. As soon as I saw that was what I had put away in a box of material, I started to look for it. After searching for it and not finding it. I thought it was thrown out by my daughter in law, who thought she was doing me a favor by cleaning out my garage. Or a renter I had in the 80's who sold things at flea markets and had taken some of my belonging to sell. It wasn't until a couple of months ago, when I received a call from my ex husband. He told me he had just moved and found some boxes of mine that his mother has been storing for us sense 1977 when we moved. He knew they were mine , because he knew I saved material for my sewing projects. I still do that to this day. He said that as soon as he goes through all of his boxes he will let me know. I made the mistake of telling him how important the costume in one of those boxes meant to me and to the Zodiac case. That it could be worth a lot of money. I have not heard from him sense that conversation. I would think that it is against the law to knowingly withhold evidence in a homicide?
Who has access to what I write on this site?? I just posted something above and when I posted it and looked at what I wrote, I saw that "someone" put a sad face between two question marks? I did not put that there. Again the sad face is on this post and it wasn't put there by me.Very strange ondeed.
I joined a face book Zodiac site that I am now sorry for, they have some very cruel people, that don't really know the case every well at all. One of the members found our site and put a link to it. So beware of some possible unkind words. They will be removed form this site if they do that here. There is one who has been an enemy of mine for many years. He has made it his mission to try and convince people that I am making up everything that I say, because he finds it hard to believe. This person prides himself as being factual, but very little of what he posts is actually factual. It is about what he "thinks" is factual. He accuses several people besides myself and Dr Howard Davis as lying. Yet he has no real proof of a lie.
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Yes, very weird about someone adding in the icon into your posts.I do realize that a lot of people get onto the bandwagon also to write books and get published, so I will read the boards instead of books.There are also all types that want attention and want to demolish other people experiences/theories etc..
CJ, That is true about other people wanting to demolish other people's theories/experiences. Although most of my story is on line, several people have asked me to write a book, to get my story told. There are many elderly people who don't use computers, who are interested in Zodiac. I would not be doing a book to make money, it is costly and not much money can be made most of the time. It is about getting the word out that Zodiac is still alive and killing. Then perhaps when he calls the police again and tells them that he is the Zodiac killer and tells them where to locate one of his victims, they won't just think it is a hoax. ( That has happened)
I am sure that when I do write a book, there will be people who will find what I have to say hard to believe. I can't help that, it is extremely hard to believe. I doubt that anyone could make this stuff up. Thank goodness I do have witnesses who have seen both of these men. Boyfriends who were followed from my home, some were chased. One had a huge Z scratched on his car hood, while he was parked at my home.
People seem to be interested in what I have to say , I see that over 10,000 people have read this thread!
About the added icon, Ricardo told me that it can happen after a exclamation mark or a question mark. It is just that I hadn't seen that happen before.
Yes, that's interesting, Sandy. I just wonder why Zodiac stopped sending coded messages to the police and press. Perhaps that was the old-school technique that he got bored with, or more likely; he had limited coded messages to send out and not much more to say, code-wise. Grisly, is all I can say; this is another killer, who like BTK enjoys terrorizing his victims. I find the story from the cop who claims he saw Zodiac at a Vallejo rest-stop years ago in 1970 interesting, of course. It sounds similar to your sighting when you were followed in your Bonneville back home. a man contorted and quivering in hate.Your story is more terrifying as he was really after you for keeps; where as the cop just ran into him at the rest stop and noticed what a psycho this guy was and still is.
Well, he was the president of GGF, so he was always at the track in the 1960s and 1970s. Is your friend still alive?
The more I read and study this case the more apparent it becomes that all the known POIs could not have accomplished all of the known murders. That observation is patently obvious to an objective observer.
In answer to Mike's question, My friend has passed away. He and I would go to GGF many times together. He owned a few race horses and was very close friends with MrX. He introduced me to many of the people he knew at GGF, but I don't think I ever met MrX.
Hoganpc C, You are correct they can't all be Zodiac, but someone is. I happen to have real evidence that can prove my suspect is the real deal. Recently I have been contacted in a Zodiac chat room just a few nights ago, by a man claiming to be the Zodiac. I asked him many questions , some didn't seem to be the correct answers.
So I wasn't sure if he was just having fun with us or not? Then today I read on Morf site that someone related to that man posted about the case. Everything he posted was a match to what the Z man had told me in private messages. He told his relative that he saw me in the chat room and that he remembered me from Vallejo.
He admitted writing to me over all these yrs!The relative wanted me to know what was told to him and wanted to know what was told to me by his relative. He gave me the birth date as Dec 18th 1942, that matches the Zodiac phone call to Melvin Belli's maid. So far I haven't found anyone by the name given to me as living in SF in the late 60's as I was told.
Could be a scam, I don't know for sure? He gave me a cipher to figure out in a private message. I asked him to re send that cipher to me and I will try and figure it out. The Z like wording that he used in one sentence is what caught my attention,after seeing that he was signing in with "TheTRUEZ". When I asked if he was Zodiac? He said if I said yes , no one would believe it.
Rub--law32: But maybe ?: Feb 6th 1980, to FBI Director Webster from a CA address: ''I am very pleased with your ABSCAM investigation. I would like to remind you that organized crime smuggles 90% of its drugs as raw & processed sugar thru the C&H Sugar Co., Benicia.''.
Sept 30, 2023 6:59:41 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: SF Examiner, August 4th 1969: ''When the girls failed to return home by 6:30 pm, Deborah's father Glen Furlong called police.''. Interestingly perhaps, two dates appear assigned to Vallejo on Bryan's door. There is no record of Z ever mentioning Benicia.
Sept 30, 2023 6:09:08 GMT -8
Rub--law32: Z's Dripping Pen card of Nov 8th 1969 claimed for 7 murders, and included the month of August (Aug). This accounts for the false claim of girls Snoozy & Furlong. Why not written on Bryan's car door ? It was:''6.30'' - time girls should have been home by.
Sept 30, 2023 5:46:01 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: An inference: Emma Caldwell (April 5th 2005, Glasgow) has been a spearheading murder victim, as early as Jan 2015. And it was her reinvestigation starting May 2015, which precipitated a move on Jane Doe 59 (Reet Jurvetson), the following month - June 2015.
Sept 30, 2023 3:57:19 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Update: If the case that San Jose PD received a Stine shirt swatch with the Nov 21st 1969 letter. And, given that LAPD acted on Jane Doe 59 in June 2015, then one realistic conclusion: The Zodiac is suspected of murdering Reet Jurvetson, Nov 14th 1969, LA.
Sept 30, 2023 3:18:27 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: You see CA DOJ, these are the sorts of concerns the public might have about your leadership. Granted you appear to have a special relationship with SFPD. But, why did you not inform South Lake Tahoe, Vallejo & Riverside PD's that FBI were case-excluded ?
Sept 30, 2023 2:21:56 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: The FBI: Intelligence Processors of The Zodiac Killer case, in the service of case custodians CA DOJ, 1969 - 2015. Yes, lying FBI - it came to an end. NO LONGER REQUIRED, on account of your Director James Comey's case conduct. Take note, all media outlets.
Sept 30, 2023 1:32:28 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Indeed, the focus will swing from who this man was, to why CA DOJ never solved it. Naturally, CA DOJ should desire to deliver Zodiac justice, but their actual abilities and case leadership will come into question, for performance of FBI alone - shambolic.
Sept 29, 2023 23:52:59 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: One has to wonder where the CA DOJ's head is ? In the sand ? No doubt they have weathered storms before, but the Zodiac case is the slow-burning mother of them all. Unsolved officially, it will never leave; soon to represent no hope left and only ridicule.
Sept 29, 2023 23:06:04 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Sometime never, CA DOJ ? It's still your case and you still remain silent. What's the problem ? The cat got your tongue ? All the public have is a deciphered postscript from May 2022 - a rebuke to FBI's Dan Olson, who still behaves as a criminal. Speak up.
Sept 29, 2023 16:55:05 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: As Duane Davis is charged with the murder of Tupac Shakur, Las Vegas PD's sheriff becomes emotional when pointing out that Shakur's family have waited 27 years for justice. Double those 27 years ? 54 years, and still no Zodiac justice. A disgrace, CA DOJ.
Sept 29, 2023 16:28:41 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Yup - ''pettax'' a.k.a. Tom Voigt really laid in to Mike Morford. Perhaps years of frustration that Morf has led a more charmed Z-internet life than Tom - and ran a much more successful site. Just who does pettax's avatar photo belong to ? Dead or Alive ?
Sept 29, 2023 11:27:40 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ''pettax'' has been around for 5 years, and has made 351 posts at Voigt's site. He was used heavily to insult Mike Morford and give him a hard time over this MacGruber candidate-suspect, which stretched to over 3,000 pages of bitter & bad-tempered debate.
Sept 29, 2023 6:35:17 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: It's an interesting area of the law: Ghosting (identity theft). With regard to profiting over theft of a dead person's information or depiction, in the social media arena: The beneficiary of the deceased person's estate can sue the thief of the depiction.
Sept 29, 2023 6:00:40 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: So, where did Voigt acquire the avatar photo of a slightly sweaty man of about 32, in order to complete the illusion of ''pettax''? Could be Voigt trawls the Obituary sites hunting for a good candidate. Is Tom Voigt a cyber space ''body snatcher'' ?
Sept 29, 2023 5:21:10 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: It all makes sense now: Voigt pulls the glove puppet ''pettax'' out of his box of tricks, in order to insult the sleuthing skills of Mike Morford. pettax: ''Morf couldn't find Zodiac, even if he stood in front of the real deal.''. pettax a.k.a. Tom Voigt.
Sept 29, 2023 4:54:42 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Is this Voigt in meltdown ?: pettax: 'I know this to be true in atleast (sic) one case. The reason I know is because I've asked.'. Apparently Voigt 'liked' that post. No doubt, the person asked was an 'excellent source', like Gold-snatcher aka Blame Blame.
Sept 29, 2023 3:55:31 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: How bad does it have to get, FBI ? Your paid-stooge Reality TV Dave conning a nuclear physicist, Dr Colleen Fitzpatrick ? Recently, you have produced ''Hell Hole'', a bullet casing & a poker chip. Your cringe-worthy stunts will be studied by comedians.
Sept 28, 2023 19:22:41 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: That's a feature of the FBI's cover-up stunts pulled in the last six years since Comey's May 2017 dismissal: FBI always leave a subliminal message for the Zodiac, in order to dissuade him from giving himself up. You are all too predictable, Numpty-FBI.
Sept 28, 2023 18:03:17 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: The Zodiac wasn't attending Riverside when Cheri Jo Bates was murdered. Z's short course had taken place earlier in the year (1966). We can thank the FBI for giving us ''San Bernardino'' as to where Z was residing for his certificate at Riverside College.
Sept 28, 2023 17:32:20 GMT -8