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Post by WelshChappie on Jul 21, 2014 20:28:27 GMT -8
It's rapidly approaching half a Century since an unknown offender shot two teen's dead on Lake Herman Rd just before Christmas of 1968 and yet, with SFPD 'shelving' the case, the lives 'He' gave himself authority to end that night are lives that still matter so much. 50 years or 150 years, makes no difference.
If his remaining at large is purely down to him just always being one step ahead and having the kind of luck needed to win the Lottery aiding his still nameless status then that would be unfortunate, frustrating and unfair. If, as I and some others suspect, his attempts to elude capture and keep his identity secret have been assisted by 3rd parties, willingly or unwillingly at the time they encountered him, and they are now aware of his likely involvement or potentially even be 'Zodiac' and have remained silent, then it's not unfortunate, it's deliberate. It's no longer frustrating, but conspiring and no longer can it be said to be 'unfair' in favour of criminal.
See the very idea of certain individuals in positions of trust withholding or concealing vital details regarding the events immediately following Paul Stine's murder is, as the faceless one once put it, "Deplorable at best."
For those who possibly are engaging in wilful ignorance and maybe telling themselves "He could not be the Zodiac, not the 'thoughtful, caring and considerate' multi-millionaire that was on the street or house driveway that night" you may very well be correct and he isn't. But we, the public, will never know or have the means to form a solid opinion either way until a certain someone can decide if he was out walking a dog that night on Maple St or if he had no 4 legged friend with him, he wasn't on Maple either, and was standing in the driveway of a home somewhere in the vicinity of Jackson & Maple Streets.
But who cares? Paul was just some cabbie in a city of hundreds of cab drivers, all equally as unimportant as the next for anyone to care about. Paul isn't a friend of theirs nor is he a member of their family so it's someone else loss and problem, not theirs.
That's how they may relegate Paul into history and nothingness but just because he wasn't their family member, their close friend, he was someone's brother, someone son, and someone's husband and he, and his life, mattered then and it matters now!
I hope they are made to look at this photo everyday also:
Looks happy there doesn't she. Aged 16, life just starting for her, World is hers to take and explore. Betty has never been out on a date with a guy before, only now do her parents allow her, for the first time, to go out for the evening with Dave Faraday. And on her first date, a memorable and positive experience for most of us, Betty is left like this:
Alone, in the dark, no help or comfort at hand, left to die of 5 bullets to the back. If they know who pulled the trigger and sent the 5 missiles into the fleeing body of a terrified 16 year old girl and have said nothing then I, for once, agree with Zodiac's statement and you really do 'deserve to have holes in your heads."
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Post by Ricardo on Jul 22, 2014 23:28:32 GMT -8
Those of us who continue to research the Zodiac case remember the victims.
There still is hope that the Zodiac killer will be identified.
If there was one or more persons who assisted the Zodiac killer and remained silent, I hope that there is still a chance that they will tell what they know.
Maybe it will happen posthumously?
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Post by WelshChappie on Jul 23, 2014 5:07:48 GMT -8
Those of us who continue to research the Zodiac case remember the victims. There still is hope that the Zodiac killer will be identified. If there was one or more persons who assisted the Zodiac killer and remained silent, I hope that there is still a chance that they will tell what they know. Maybe it will happen posthumously? I too hold out hope that if one or more persons know of any information that is being kept under raps presently that they will disclose and not take their secrets to the grave with them.
"There still is hope that the Zodiac killer will be identified."
Well Armond Pelissetti has said that the Zodiac case will not be solved so long as Hennessy is in charge over at the SFPD. What he means by that, his reasons for saying it etc, i don't know. I did read an article recently where two recently retired SFPD Homicide Detectives spoke about their desire and attempts to investigate the Zodiac case and how their attempts were thwarted by the Chief.
They had gone public saying that they now feel they are able to as they are now both retired to say that when they were working as SFPD's Homicide Division they both had a strong interest in the unsolved Zodiac case and started working the case in any spare time they had on shift. The Chief found out and instantly ordered them to stop and leave the case on the cold case shelf and concentrate on the number of recent cases they already had.
Now that is understandable, the Chief is understaffed as it is and has enough present cases of homicide to try to solve. So the two detectives agreed and asked the Chief if they could have the Zodiac case files to take home with them so that they could both work this case on their own time and away from work. This perfectly reasonable request was met with anger by the Chief who, in no uncertain terms, told the two detectives that no, they are not having the files and to forget the Zodiac case and even threatened that if they persist with this then they may find themselves transferred to desk duties.
Now I understand the Chief's frustration at the two Detectives working this case while at work, their are more than enough present cases to solve with limited resources so to add another cold case from half a Century ago is just giving an already over burdened Dpt. extra work it could do without. Totally understandable and makes sense. But to not only say no to the request to investigate this case on their own time and actually threaten to have them removed from Homicide if they don't drop it makes no sense to me at all.
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Post by WelshChappie on Jul 23, 2014 5:36:54 GMT -8
"Maybe it will happen posthumously?"
Well I don't know about you Mike, but for me, if their is to be any 'revelation' or 'death bed confession' so to speak, then it is more likely to come from DF than it is AP. Now that is, of course, simply personal opinion. I know neither of these two men personally and am basing my opinion on filmed interviews with each of them. AP seems completely at ease in the 2007 Documentary, smiling at times and even had tones of humour at times as he looks straight into the camera telling the audience what happened that night.
DF, in contrast, doesn't seem so unburdened and relaxed. He stumbles over his words at times, looks down at the floor a lot and just comes across as a man who has had enough of knowing something he isn't able to divulge and in this interview, he does make one revelation. Watch the interview closely and it becomes apparent that Fouke consciously and deliberately revealed that his original memo was not correct in it's comment of "Subject last observed heading North on Maple Street." Don is asked to describe the man he saw and, looking down at the floor he lets out an exasperated sigh before saying "I'd like to say he, The Zodiac, made eye contact with us but I can't picture it. Iremember seeing his eyes. I couldn't tell you what colour they were, it was dark enough that his eyes were concealed..." He went on a few sentences later to say "He was putting his head down when he spotted the police car and turned into the entrance way of a house." He continued "I didn't put it in the report, and I don't think I've ever told anyone."
In the following link, at 1:26:36 into the Documentary, Don can be seen looking down and sighing before telling the truth about where the suspect was actually seen going....
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