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Post by ScotsChappie on Jul 26, 2015 8:23:27 GMT -8
Merely food for thought but...
What has been admitted by law enforcement is that if anyone solves or reveals any pertinent aspect of a case,then they become ''technical suspects'',simply for having done so.
Therefore,whether through justification or not,aren't The Hardens only under scrutiny,since they fall into this category - a premise of official investigation policy [?].
It seems to me that The Hardens happened to be a hard working and normal couple,who enjoyed a daily newspaper for its entertainment value,as well as its news reportage.
Their only ''crime'' appears to have been ''industry'' in their inquisitive nature [?].
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Post by WelshChappie on Aug 6, 2015 8:42:08 GMT -8
Merely food for thought but... What has been admitted by law enforcement is that if anyone solves or reveals any pertinent aspect of a case,then they become ''technical suspects'',simply for having done so. Therefore,whether through justification or not,aren't The Hardens only under scrutiny,since they fall into this category - a premise of official investigation policy [?]. It seems to me that The Hardens happened to be a hard working and normal couple,who enjoyed a daily newspaper for its entertainment value,as well as its news reportage. Their only ''crime'' appears to have been ''industry'' in their inquisitive nature [?]. It's never sat too well with me that Don Harden could have succeeded where the experts at Naval Intelligence, FBI and CIA all failed by simply saying to himself "You know what, the first word is going to be 'I' because this man is egotistical." I mean if it were really that simple to crack, ie: decode one letter, that being 'I' and that is sufficient to then go on and decode the rest of it, then surely one of the intelligence agency experts could and would have broke this code in a day. But put the code aside as to why the Hardens are suspected by some and you still have things like: Bettye Harden writing a message on the back inside cover of Graysmiths 'Zodiac' that said (off the top of my head quoting) "The second part of this book is theory. I started the Zodiac case, and finished it. When I write the true ending it will shake the Earth."
How odd of a comment to make. Break it down: "The second part of this book is all theory." How could she know what is theory vs what is correct that Robert has submitted? "I started the Zodiac Case, and ended it." Some have suggested that Bettye is referring to her and Don's cracking of Z's cipher when she says she started the case and even though that sounds unlikely lets say we accept that as true, you still then have to explain what she means by she ended the Zodiac Case? And Finally, the most difficult of comments to overlook or explain away is the final one, "When I write the TRUE ending it will shake the Earth." How can anyone write a true and accurate account of how the Zodiac Case came to an end unless they have some involvement or knowledge of someone who is involved?
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Aug 6, 2015 16:27:32 GMT -8
Indeed,WelshChappie,two very interesting general points made,there.
With regard to The Hardens,I am not sure to what extent they gained celebrity status over their ''408'' achievement [...any takers ?].I presume within ''true crime'' circles,they had received a fair amount of praise [?].It is possible that this subsequently went to their heads a little [?].
With respect to conjecture over whether ''the authorities'' had already solved it...eventually we will find this out,when the whole history of the case is revealed - from law enforcement's ''side of the fence'',as well as what was established in the public domain at various times.
The general constituent parts and methods of Zodiac in constructing the ''408'' rings immediate bells to me,and possibly a few others [?].That it is very similar to ciphers constructed by conspirators allied to Mary,Queen of Scots,who were attempting a coup to remove Elizabeth I from the British throne.These ciphers have been well documented,since they represent the beginnings of modern day cryptography.
This possibly furthers the claims of some,that the authorities would have had little difficulty in solving the ''408'' - not least that Don Harden,himself,may have been influenced by the ''royal'' espionage story [?].
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Post by WelshChappie on Aug 18, 2015 0:30:48 GMT -8
Indeed,WelshChappie,two very interesting general points made,there. With regard to The Hardens,I am not sure to what extent they gained celebrity status over their ''408'' achievement [...any takers ?].I presume within ''true crime'' circles,they had received a fair amount of praise [?].It is possible that this subsequently went to their heads a little [?].
With respect to conjecture over whether ''the authorities'' had already solved it...eventually we will find this out,when the whole history of the case is revealed - from law enforcement's ''side of the fence'',as well as what was established in the public domain at various times. The general constituent parts and methods of Zodiac in constructing the ''408'' rings immediate bells to me,and possibly a few others [?].That it is very similar to ciphers constructed by conspirators allied to Mary,Queen of Scots,who were attempting a coup to remove Elizabeth I from the British throne.These ciphers have been well documented,since they represent the beginnings of modern day cryptography. This possibly furthers the claims of some,that the authorities would have had little difficulty in solving the ''408'' - not least that Don Harden,himself,may have been influenced by the ''royal'' espionage story [?]. "With regard to The Hardens,I am not sure to what extent they gained celebrity status over their ''408'' achievement [...any takers ?]"
<<<<Takes! Don Harden and his achievement was not overlooked or simply faded into history, He won a very real award coming 2nd (As best I can remember) in the amateur sleuths solving a cold case or mystery surrounding one. Anyway, He came second for his achievement and was officially recognized for having done so with an award. That type of thing strikes me as just the type of thing to humor Zodiac emphatically if Harden was Z himself or knew who Z was and wrote the cipher for him before the publicly going on to crack his own creation. To him I'd imagine He'd relish the idea of "I am Zodiac, I created the code and then as average Citizen & School teacher, announced I had broke the killers code. Them idiot pigs even gave me an award as an amateur great who has now got himself a place in History as the man who helped to crack Zodiac's code and the public all admired him for doing so. Ha, All along I was the code's creator and I knew who Zodiac was and wrote that code for him as co-conspirator. I enjoy needling the blue pigs and rubbing their faces in their boo-boo's."
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Post by Ricardo on Apr 26, 2018 22:35:03 GMT -8
What aare Donald Harden's alibis for the murders from CJB to PS? Cheri Jo Bates was murdered on October 30, 1966. Donald and Bettye Harden told the investigators that they solved the 408-symbol cipher on August 8, 1969. After a couple of years, they might not have remembered what they were doing on October 30, 1966.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Apr 28, 2018 12:37:20 GMT -8
Nice to have you as a member of ''ZKM'',sbriverglen,and welcome.
Clearly,you take a keen interest in the case of the Zodiac Killer.
As perhaps,Ricardo infers,there might be something awry,if the Hardens could actually produce an alibi for three years prior [?].
More to the point is that the Bates case isn't officially Zodiac authenticated.But,certainly understand where you are coming from.
I can only proffer that there is overwhelming evidence that,the ''408'' cipher was the work of the ''concerned citizen'',and not the Hardens.
And,by implication,the ''concerned citizen'' being the Zodiac,himself.
The Hardens,by all reasonable accounts,were a genuine and nice,''next door neighbours'' kind of folk.
Please do keep up your obvious enthusiasm and curiosity.
And,look forward to more contributions from you.
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