Apologies for backtracking slightly, but I've only recently joined the forum, so I wasn't present at the start of this thread.
Anyway,'Sorry no cipher'. Earlier someone pointed out that the words cross twice = 'double crossed'. For a while now, I'd been looking at the 'x' symbols in the 340 (yes, I'm slightly obsessive!). Both are surrounded by many of the same characters. Additionally, these characters can be connected in the same order.
The characters surrounding each x, and the number of times each character occurs, are as follows:
Reverse c: 10 F: 10 Crosshair: 9 G: 6 N: 5
If the above clusters are a result of chance, it's quite a strange coincidence that the characters can also be linked together in the same order in both groups.
This might happen elsewhere in the 340, but I've yet to see it. Factor in, Z's 'x' hint, and it all strikes me as quite interesting. But, there again, most things do!
Additionally, to really push the idea to its limits, is it me or do the two groups of letters almost resemble stick figures - albeit with a missing arm? The 'x' on one is located over what would be the groin region - like the pumpkin on the skeleton. But, coincidences! Just a thought.
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Would just like to add that these are interesting observations,Quorum - though I would be doubtful that many would get ''excited'' about what is contained within the circles [?].
HOWEVER,The two ''right-angle'' observations [....B . C V...and R J I ....] are [personally] quite fascinating !
It's a shame that more similar ''right-angles'' don't appear - otherwise there would be a strong case for examining whether Zodiac put the cipher together with two giant diagonals - or a greater argument for employment of ''mirror imaging'' [?].
''X'' represents a symbol in the 340,as you have observed,whose usage is ''twice''.I have noted that there are a host of symbols employed,that appear exclusively ''twice'' - and believe this to be the ultimate key to unlocking the 340's ''secret''.Something perhaps,along the lines of ''heterophonic'',as opposed to homophonic substitution [?].
Provided,of course,that the reality isn't that Zodiac just plain ''f--k-d up''.
Hmm, yes - I think the grouping is possibly relevant, but not the joining of letters? I can't see how that could be work with a cipher - in retrospect! I just got overexcited, I think.
As for the pivots - the 'L'shapes - not my discovery, I'm afraid! But I agree - certainly very interesting! Someone carried out some statistical analysis on them. It seems it's very unlikely they occurred 'organically'. zodiackillerciphers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Pivots
Indeed....in fact while I'm feeling in a suitably grumpy mood....you mentioned the ''bell ringing'' STATISTICAL ANALYSIS [!}.
On one of the larger sites,there is a section devoted to this aspect - that runs to almost 100 [one hundred !] pages.
Just a few [nerdy] gentlemen devote themselves to lists of incomprehensible numbers,claiming,and congratulating themselves,that they are getting to the bottom of the enigma surrounding the 340,in particular.
''Bottom'' seems to be the operative word,since one can only imagine that they are actually examining each others.
Perhaps unkind of me to say,but if they would devote some of their precious time to making a real attempt to translate the bless-ed cipher,their contributions might be taken more seriously [?].
Rubislaw32: The Zodiac then in his writings, imitating life imitating art imitating life. There seems to have been that surrealistic side to him in evidence - imagining himself as Dan Cooper the skyjacker, a desk top poem, a mural, and even a message in a bottle.
Dec 7, 2022 19:47:30 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: But, if we examine Jack as a template of fear used by the Zodiac, we see a man who actually strangled all his known victims - only to then desecrate them after death. And, someone who was impersonated in writing by someone else, using red ink - not blood.
Dec 7, 2022 19:31:22 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...likely an old sword bayonet was employed - accompanied by a gun for persuading victims' submission. Thereafter, the Zodiac appears to have often referenced Jack the Ripper by inference, to perpetuate the lie that he was an ''all round killing machine''.
Dec 7, 2022 19:23:47 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...which represented the facts about him. All indications to date suggest that the Zodiac was not a ''man of blades'', with his Lake Berryessa attack a ''one-off'' on account that he was running out of guns. And in that case, a double-edged blade, most...
Dec 7, 2022 19:15:33 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ..yet to be brought to justice, so nothing actually ''from the horse's mouth''. And B) The Zodiac kept reminding us that his writings were all about leaving ''clews'' - a combination of truth, lies and red herrings. And up to the readers to sort out that..
Dec 7, 2022 19:10:14 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: As negative criticism is heaped on the new Netflix TV series about Jeffrey Dahmer for deliberate misrepresentation of the facts, it's worth considering the pertinence of any filmic representation of the Zodiac for accuracy, given that A) The Zodiac has....
Dec 7, 2022 19:04:02 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Donna Lass reward poster : ''Family are confident that her abductor/murderer will be arrested, tried and found guilty.''. Now then, human remains were placed by Flume Trail, just 7 weeks before the FBI's Dec 11th 2020 Tweet. Everything out at once - FBI ?
Dec 6, 2022 18:59:55 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: You are the weakest link FBI, as CA DOJ considers arresting the Zodiac. With the MA DOJ having little to be proud about. But FBI - instead of behaving yourselves, you have become headless chickens in the wake of Comey's dismissal and disgrace. Dead meat.
Dec 6, 2022 16:03:58 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: So you see FBI, Z has your number on attempting to blame him for Donna Lass - an Achilles heel for you FBI. In addition, Z will know that Boston D.A. Jonathan Blodgett assisted James Comey to impress the Crown Office with Joan Webster's case file.
Dec 6, 2022 15:54:45 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...to Donna's victimhood, instead of Judith Hakari. Then in (circa) 1997, with the Zodiac's poster superimposition of a cipher, indicating that the Zodiac had changed his assessment, Z blamed the FBI exclusively (BEWARE I AM STALKING DOUBLE-ZERO !).
Dec 6, 2022 15:48:57 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: So, for the Zodiac out there still at liberty, in 1974 he sent Donna's sister Mary a Christmas card inferring that Donna had been allocated ''Guardian of the Pines'' - believing that Mary was in on knowledge that the FBI had allocated the Pines card to....
Dec 6, 2022 15:44:20 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Face it FBI - you are ''screwed'' in all directions with influential LE hierarchies - and all of your case cover-ups have been observed; each with reasons, known by your peers. A ''can of worms'' - eh FBI ? But morally, the worst of these is Donna Lass.
Dec 6, 2022 9:01:04 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Moreover, and as far as I am aware, NCIS Washington D.C. were actually the first to know about the ''solution'' (MR Z = SON) under the Marianne Moore postage stamp, beyond CA DOJ & FBI. NCIS's first contact then, was with the Crown Office or US DOJ.
Dec 6, 2022 8:54:13 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: The implication then, that Comey cottoned on to Grant's DNA indicating he was Z's probable father, in 2014 - and went off in a ''hissy fit'', then breaking the law. And, with this information having emanated via the Crown Office (UK). Comey's downfall.
Dec 6, 2022 7:54:47 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: And, this is what the fall-out in the Zodiac case between CA DOJ & FBI seems to have come down to : James Comey felt that CA DOJ should have informed FBI about William Grant's DNA in 2002/2003. Whereas CA DOJ were officially, under no obligation to do so.
Dec 6, 2022 7:35:31 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...testing & eliminations that involved CA DOJ & FBI work, at the behest of President George W Bush. It may be the case then, that the FBI feel they were ''blind-sided'' by CA DOJ. FBI however, were in the service of CA DOJ like PD's, and no extra rights.
Dec 6, 2022 7:26:45 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...Zodiac Intelligence processors, one can't be certain if they the FBI received a similar circular as police departments, from CA DOJ. But 2004 would be in keeping with the DNA testing and suspects eliminations that took place 2002/2003. Those DNA....
Dec 6, 2022 7:23:02 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...from case custodians CA DOJ, to proactively investigate - so it seems that the circular was more related to letting PD's know that specific task requests from CA DOJ would no longer be forthcoming. Since the FBI held a different case role, as ....
Dec 6, 2022 7:19:16 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Albeit unconfirmed, information I have read is that in 2004, a general circular went out to all PD's with Zodiac case connections, from the CA DOJ, that the case was to be ''run down'' on scale of investigations. PD's had to be served or gain permission...
Dec 6, 2022 7:14:20 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: That was poetic : The FBI peeled away the Marianne Moore postage stamp on the 1990 Celebrity Cipher card, to reveal that ''MR Z = SON''. Horrors for the FBI to find later that the CA DOJ had done them over William Joseph Grant's DNA. He was Z's Secret Pa.
Dec 5, 2022 23:26:02 GMT -8