Apologies for backtracking slightly, but I've only recently joined the forum, so I wasn't present at the start of this thread.
Anyway,'Sorry no cipher'. Earlier someone pointed out that the words cross twice = 'double crossed'. For a while now, I'd been looking at the 'x' symbols in the 340 (yes, I'm slightly obsessive!). Both are surrounded by many of the same characters. Additionally, these characters can be connected in the same order.
The characters surrounding each x, and the number of times each character occurs, are as follows:
Reverse c: 10 F: 10 Crosshair: 9 G: 6 N: 5
If the above clusters are a result of chance, it's quite a strange coincidence that the characters can also be linked together in the same order in both groups.
This might happen elsewhere in the 340, but I've yet to see it. Factor in, Z's 'x' hint, and it all strikes me as quite interesting. But, there again, most things do!
Additionally, to really push the idea to its limits, is it me or do the two groups of letters almost resemble stick figures - albeit with a missing arm? The 'x' on one is located over what would be the groin region - like the pumpkin on the skeleton. But, coincidences! Just a thought.
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Would just like to add that these are interesting observations,Quorum - though I would be doubtful that many would get ''excited'' about what is contained within the circles [?].
HOWEVER,The two ''right-angle'' observations [....B . C V...and R J I ....] are [personally] quite fascinating !
It's a shame that more similar ''right-angles'' don't appear - otherwise there would be a strong case for examining whether Zodiac put the cipher together with two giant diagonals - or a greater argument for employment of ''mirror imaging'' [?].
''X'' represents a symbol in the 340,as you have observed,whose usage is ''twice''.I have noted that there are a host of symbols employed,that appear exclusively ''twice'' - and believe this to be the ultimate key to unlocking the 340's ''secret''.Something perhaps,along the lines of ''heterophonic'',as opposed to homophonic substitution [?].
Provided,of course,that the reality isn't that Zodiac just plain ''f--k-d up''.
Hmm, yes - I think the grouping is possibly relevant, but not the joining of letters? I can't see how that could be work with a cipher - in retrospect! I just got overexcited, I think.
As for the pivots - the 'L'shapes - not my discovery, I'm afraid! But I agree - certainly very interesting! Someone carried out some statistical analysis on them. It seems it's very unlikely they occurred 'organically'. zodiackillerciphers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Pivots
Indeed....in fact while I'm feeling in a suitably grumpy mood....you mentioned the ''bell ringing'' STATISTICAL ANALYSIS [!}.
On one of the larger sites,there is a section devoted to this aspect - that runs to almost 100 [one hundred !] pages.
Just a few [nerdy] gentlemen devote themselves to lists of incomprehensible numbers,claiming,and congratulating themselves,that they are getting to the bottom of the enigma surrounding the 340,in particular.
''Bottom'' seems to be the operative word,since one can only imagine that they are actually examining each others.
Perhaps unkind of me to say,but if they would devote some of their precious time to making a real attempt to translate the bless-ed cipher,their contributions might be taken more seriously [?].
Rubislaw32: feet to conclude Russian intervention investigations, uncovering nothing. Then Trump's first public utterance on Comey (claimed by wikipedia ) : ''Comey is crazy - he's a complete nut-job.''. As if Trump likened Comey to Norman Bates - he was spooked.
Aug 15, 2022 13:21:14 GMT -8
Rub--law32: I'm no fly on the wall, but it's a pound to a penny that (then) Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told all of this and more to Donald Trump, when Trump was champing at the bit to do business with Russia, and couldn't fathom why Comey was dragging his
Aug 15, 2022 13:10:54 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: An explanation from Comey to the Attorney General in a parallel universe : '' Yes, I had considered our great nation and the principles of its security - but first I had to check if my boys needed to do any covering-up - plus the ''hero'' factor for me.''.
Aug 15, 2022 7:57:29 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: 'Embarrassing' ? Well, given the code of sociopathic behaviour ingrained by the FBI, who knows how Comey felt. But at that juncture, the Attorney General would have realized that Comey hadn't informed him on terrorist info from Frank Mulholland. Treason ?
Aug 15, 2022 7:37:43 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Yes FBI, your man Comey caught red-handed impersonating Sherlock Holmes, and without security clearance from his boss the U.S. Attorney General. Just sniffing around, concerned that your agency were about to be left out of a Z-loop. ''M-Bare-Assing''.
Aug 15, 2022 5:53:42 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Brenda's case resurrection goes back to February 2015, and a public announcement of a re-investigation into her murder (July 14th 1978). One week later, the Crown Office took safe possession of Joan Webster's case file, followed by Comey's Z-case exposure.
Aug 15, 2022 5:43:12 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: So, although crude terminology, and retrospectively murdered by neither GSK nor the Zodiac - Nancy's case was assisted benevolently by both GSK & Zodiac ''cash cows''. August 22nd 2022, and the murder trial of Brenda Page starts - Z's Scotch Tape lie.
Aug 15, 2022 5:30:03 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Since the arrest of GSK in April 2018, the official LE claim is that 150 criminal cases have benefited, with a perceived GSK link. In addition, Nancy Bennallack was murdered one day before the Zodiac Killer mailed his Halloween Card (Oct. 27th 1970).
Aug 15, 2022 5:21:31 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: To the CA DOJ : If the Zodiac is still alive, as I believe and believe that you know that he is - go and get him. The public are past caring about your level of confidence, and whether you think it is in the public's interest. Let him speak for himself.
Aug 14, 2022 18:29:30 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: on their obligations. For the CA DOJ, they still seem to be on the side of righteousness - but there is certainly concern that they might make him a ''fall-guy'', expended for other benefits of the CA DOJ's choosing. History will be harsh if they play God.
Aug 14, 2022 18:02:14 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: In time, the FBI will be outed for their dereliction of duty in the Zodiac case - and even when they were giving him attention, ''dropped the ball'' on so many occasions. Those that retain a case interest, still hope that the judiciary can deliver..
Aug 14, 2022 17:53:04 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Has the Zodiac Killer case been used as a ''cash cow'' for resurrecting other cases to gain necessary funding, to be solved ? Certainly an element of truth there - but no one would want to be the person to say that to any victims' families.
Aug 14, 2022 16:05:25 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...solve the ''biggest fish'' (e.g. The Zodiac Killer case) - the more holding back in time to catch it. For the UK I have proffered (at least) Z-outliers related to Inverness 1976, Aberdeen 1978 and Glasgow 2005. Resolutions on those, still a bit away.
Aug 14, 2022 15:52:06 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...Killer's. But, once that undertaking is made (e.g. Bennallack case), then with the extra funding found, the case in question is seen out on its own merits regardless. The ''Catch-22'' scenario might be, though, that the more outlier cases allocated to..
Aug 14, 2022 15:47:41 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: often than not this funding would have been federal. To put it another way, cases that are elevated to a high-profile status, on the basis that they can be shown to have possible links to an already established high-profile case, such as that of the Zodiac
Aug 14, 2022 15:43:18 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...question. To home in more specifically, there has been talk that Nancy's case became an allocated Zodiac outlier case at a given time, and therefore benefited from extra funding, contributing to a successful outcome for that case recently. And, more...
Aug 14, 2022 15:39:34 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...that this has mostly to do with tragic events unfolding on Capitol Hill January 6th 2021. Then swing 36 hours later to an announcement of the solving of the Nancy Bennallack murder 51 years ago. No relationship at all ? Now that's an interesting...
Aug 14, 2022 15:18:00 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Politics and funding to fight crime ? Now that's an interesting subject that even the keenest of investigative journalists may not , if ever, come close to even touching the surface. For Mr Trump's subjection to a recent raid, the public would be aware....
Aug 14, 2022 15:12:28 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Message for the FBI ? : ''Dear Hoodwinker Wray, This is The DOG speaking and we are in control. DOG 1, FIB 0. The DOG eats you up. Woof, woof. - The DOG.''
Aug 14, 2022 7:53:55 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Moreover - what might remain an ''outlier fear'' for the FBI is, if the Crown Office uncover evidence of a crime committed by the Zodiac, outside of any jurisdiction that the FBI might hold -something like death threats to Stanley Kubrick's family (UK) ?
Aug 14, 2022 7:39:10 GMT -8