Often referred to , as the Zodiac's special signature , the sign that the Zodiac left behind in the Halloween Card , that appears to be a variation on Fred Harman's '' Flying V '' cattle brand , has produced many suggestions for its representation . Among these , an abstraction of the Diablo Mountains , a popular choice .
But , what of the four dots included in the special signature ?
The Zodiac's eyes and his car headlights emerging from the Diablo ( Devil ) Mountains , perhaps ?
The four dots in Braille signifying '' i.e '', another suggestion .
A further solution could be that the four dots represent two dice which display '' double-two '' . And , most of us are aware of the general connotation surrounding the significance of '' Catch-22 ''.
In poker , there is a saying : '' A pair of deuces never loses '' .In addition , that the '' Deuce '' is traditionally another name for the Devil and , indicative of misfortune .
A pair of Devils , then ( ? ) , if only the Zodiac and his motorcar .
Post by Rubislaw32 on Sept 22, 2020 20:22:31 GMT -8
What is a '' Byknife '' ?
Byknives are a collection of implements that constitute a type of weapon . The weapon might consist of a dagger and/or sword knife , with extra items of practical use , such as prickers . Then all accommodated in a scabbard or sheath . These weapons were popular in the 15th and 16th Centuries and , that which we recognize to-day as a '' Swiss Army Knife '', are modern and miniature versions of '' Byknives '' .
So , when the Zodiac wrote '' Byknife '' on the back of Avery's Halloween Card , he was being teasingly non-specific .
The Zodiac probably used a sword bayonet with wooden hilt ( handle ) , at Lake Berryessa .
The previous post may have appeared ''puerile'' to some - specifically,that the thought of the intended recipient [Mr.Avery],aching to know Zodiac's name,was making Zodiac feel sexually aroused.
If we return to examine the back of the card,we may note that,apart from ''SLAVES'',two other words can be read vertically :''FAG'' and ''FEE''.Indeed,the fact that a single ''y'' placed below a ''B'',thereby pushing the word ''KNIFE''further down,ensures that the word ''FEE''is distinctly readable.
It is generally known that Mr.Avery made homophobic references about Zodiac,in his disdain and derision of the serial killer.
''You are doomed !'',as a threat of ''enslavement'',may not have been with death,alone,in Zodiac's mind.In Zodiac's ''PARADICE'',buggery also awaited the hapless Mr.Avery.Zodiac would demand his ''FAG FEE'',for Mr.Avery's unkind words in life - and the eyes of Zodiac's previous 13 ''victoms'' would be forced to watch.
Not so unrealistic...that which is behind the pumpkin [?].
I went through the Deer Lodge prisoner profiles and found a POI. What I noticed is that there are a number of men incarcerated for "the crime that has no name". Brokeback Mountain may have been influenced by what was actually happening there. Male population outnumbers female. Maybe some like it that way. Much has been made of Z attacking the females more than the men. I wondered if he had a poor experience in a similar dating situation and it bothered him. Lets remember the times. It was not acceptable even in San Francisco to be gay. Perhaps he couldn't perform since he wasn't interested in women but felt compelled by society. It would make sense that a loner has the time to engage in making ciphers and cards without being disturbed.
Post by Rubislaw32 on Jan 10, 2021 11:22:15 GMT -8
Was the Zodiac issuing a threat to one of Darlene Ferrin's sisters , in the Halloween Card ?
As has been mentioned before , it is conceivable that the FBI did play with the Halloween Card to an extent , and that one example may be that '' By GUN '' was originally written as '' By-GUM ''.
Why By-GUM ? By-Gum is one of three sisters in the Texas Mikado ( The Capitalist ) , and may have been referring to Darlene Ferrin , as a victim already accomplished .
Why Darlene Ferrin , with respect to the card ? Since '' By D By '' and '' NCP '' may represent a message :
'' Bye Dee , Bye . - Nincompoop '' . '' Nanki-Poo '' , the wandering minstrel , whose name is based on the word for a fool , '' Nincompoop ''.
Darlene Ferrin was known as '' Dee '' to those close associates . If Nincompoop ( NCP ) is '' Nanki-Poo '' , then Dee is '' Yum-Yum ''. And naturally , the inference is that Nincompoop ( NCP ) = Nanki-Poo = The Zodiac .
If we compare the Three Little Maids in The Mikado , with the equivalent Three sisters in The Texas Mikado , then :
Post by Ninecrows333 on Feb 12, 2021 15:16:03 GMT -8
I'm new here to forum and look forward to many interesting discussions with you all.
In regards to why did Zodiac say Sorry No Cipher I'm starting to think that Zodiac did leave a cipher in the strange Symbols he used at the bottom of the Halloween Card. I had been taking a look at the FBI Police Report and noticed that they thought Zodiac had a knowledge of Meteorology. I had been looking at Maps and went on to look at Meteorology where I found charts with Symbols representing weather, climate etc and noticed that a couple were very similar to what Zodiac had used and put together.
The F & L symbols Zodiac put together have references in Meteorology and could mean Wind Speed was 20 knots, the clouds were thick and blotted out the sun or moon, the dots can tell us it was raining heavily continuously. I had previously been looking over the old map of paradise and got to thinking about map symbols and came across some that could also refer to the cipher.
The F & L come together to form what could be a symbol for a Mountain but I also found the symbol on an old Japanese Treasure Map relating to Colonel Tanaka Toru of the Japanese Imperial Army said to have buried loot he amassed during World War II. The symbol represents a Diamond, there is also a Z symbol which represents stairs. On another old treasure map I found an upturned L which means to proceed digging. Dots on maps can also represent burials.
I think he was pointing to a mine the Black Diamond Mine which sits on the outskirts of Paradise, Ca.
Could this be a map and does the Halloween Card lead us to a site? I was also thinking that the 9 eyes on the tree could represent murders he has already committed, on the opposite side of the tree there are 4 eyes, 4 Teens and 4 dots. Could it mean he is adding 4 more to the score of 9 giving the number 13? which would kinda link to the strange Equinox note from 1972 with the 444 that is under the unconfirmed letters section.
Thanks for your interesting comments and observations . Indeed , Meteorology as an interpretation is a feasible notion . It is clear that the Zodiac was '' orientation '' minded , and one can't help feeling that he always ventured out as a well-prepared motorist and pedestrian also . The weather then , might have been something he factored in , and for which he gave consideration , also .
This thread on the Halloween Card has always been popular , with the Halloween Card itself perhaps the most popular attraction of all the Zodiac's correspondence work . There seems to be so much going on , with apparent duplicity in evidence . So , plenty of room for manoeuvre on interpretation . and I for one take on board your observations .
You should consider becoming a member , here ( ? ) . I'm sure that you could add a lot more to this site .
Post by Ninecrows33 on Feb 13, 2021 15:33:55 GMT -8
Hi there Rubislaw32,
Thanks for your support and advice it is much appreciated. I have requested membership, just waiting on confirmation. I always find your posts so knowledgeable and they have helped me a lot in getting a good grip of the Zodiac case especially when it comes to sticking to the facts of the case.
I agree that there is much duplicity with Zodiacs Communications, it's just finding the right way to read it or at least looking at the possibilities of what he may be trying to convey. I think the Halloween Card gets to everybody lol, it's such a puzzle which is what Z was all about I think, the games.
Post by Ninecrows333 on Mar 30, 2021 15:59:18 GMT -8
I've been doing my usual searching about all things Zodiac and came across an interesting Brand Registered in Kentucky which is very much like the symbols on Zodiac's Halloween Card but without the dots, you can see it on page 32 of 34 at bottom of the page, link
The Brand is registered to a Phillip & Mary Jo Veluzat in Kentucky, Phillip was a Park Ranger, marrying Mary Jo in 1973/4, there is a interview that has been done with Phil & Mary Jo about their careers in the Parks and Phillip does appear to have issues with LE/FBI you can read it on the following link
Another interesting point is that the Veluzat Family own Movie Ranches in California, the Diamond V Ranch, Melody Ranch and the Veluzat Movie ranch, all in the Santa Clarita valley. The Father Paul lived to 101 and has 3 sons, you can see them here scvhistory.com/scvhistory/lw2062.htm
Do you think this could relate to Zodiac? I'm not sure when the Brand was registered but Phillip appears to be the Brand owner I don't think the California Veluzat's use that brand.
Post by Rubislaw 32 on Mar 30, 2021 18:01:40 GMT -8
Very interesting , Ninecrows333 , and well=spotted . The symbol looks like a mirror-image of the '' Bat Creek Inscription '' symbol , associated with the cipher tablet find , at Loudon County , TN . And , on that same page ( 32 ) , is a '' triple - 8 '' symbol , bringing to mind the three '' 8-Ball '' symbols employed in the Zodiac's '' My name is ---'' Cipher .
The Bat Creek symbol has been known , for close to 150 years , so quite likely that the Kentucky registered brand is a ''steal '' of sorts ( ? ) .
Post by Ninecrows333 on Mar 30, 2021 22:23:01 GMT -8
Your right about it being the mirror image on the Bat Creek Stone Rubislaw32 so it's very possible it was taken from it. The Veluzat Family appear to have been around Kentucky from the 1750's. I did spy the Triple 8 brand, I'm not sure how old the Brand is as it was registered by new owners the Darlings in 2010 but could predate them.
Post by Sharon Lindimore on Aug 26, 2021 18:39:36 GMT -8
To Rubislaw32: I am sorry and I apologize. Let me explain please. That day was early, I forgot meds. I have seizures. What you saw was a TIA that starts right before a seizure. I think I am doing something right and then I kind of wake up and see what I did. I did not wake up for hours- it was a grand mal and it turned into a stroke. Today is the first day I saw messages I wrote, I am very embarrassed. I have a broken vessel in my brain. You can call Parker Adventist in Parker Co and verify this. I was sick for a week. The ambulance came and took me away. They can check and see if it was a stroke. Yes it was. I have very little memory, no balance, unable to speak, dont know what I am doing, but whatever it is, I think it is wonderful. See you have no decision skills, but I started writing and it just happened. I have no balance, I cannot drive for the past two years, because I could hurt someone. When you have these, you just pass out cold and I did that day after the beginning symptoms were done. I have also Bipolar II, its not like Bipolar I. You have no decision making skills. Combine the two, and now you see what happened. I apologize again.
Post by Sharon Lindimore on Aug 26, 2021 18:49:24 GMT -8
The positive side of this- is when you fall in the middle of the road, people stop for you. Thats about the only thing. I cant even dial a phone, I forget how. It really messes you up. It happened when I had one of my fusions. I have 4. They overdosed me on fentanyl at the hospital and brought me back when I flat lined. Apparently I have permanent brain damage. The meds helps, but that day, I forgot. It isnt fun.
Post by Rubislaw32 on Aug 26, 2021 18:58:19 GMT -8
Hi Sharon Lindimore.
You don't need to apologize - just take care of yourself as a priority. I have seen some of your useful posting before, and have posted alongside of you, also. You are very intelligent and perceptive. If you feel the need to post at this site, with something you believe would add to the Zodiac debate, then go right ahead. My only advice would be to stay focused and keep to one topic or aspect of the case, at a time.
Contributions from you, I'm sure would be welcome in the future. A passion to the '' cause '', is usually to the benefit of a greater knowledge.
Rubislaw32: And, so it came to pass, that the Zodiac re-entered his terrorizing arena between April and October of 1970, without killing anyone. Whereas he probably murdered 6 between December 1968 and November 1969. A new role for Z in 1970: A mental-games compiler.
Oct 1, 2023 11:33:36 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Secret Pa William Grant for the murders he had committed, and likely now that he had at least claimed for Jane Doe 59 (Reet) in Los Angeles - but suppressed by the FBI. Moreover, he had no guns left. Beyond a blades man, he would have to become a bomber.
Oct 1, 2023 9:11:47 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: There were a handful of reasons the Zodiac was at his lowest ebb, as apparently inferred in his letter to Belli of December 20th 1969. One year on from his first attack at Lake Herman Road, the Zodiac seemed no closer to successfully fitting up his...
Oct 1, 2023 8:58:57 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...in his letter sent to Melvin Belli. With the murder of gay lamp designer Robert Salem covered by the SF Chronicle in April 1970, it presented a chance to provoke Z into turning up figuratively again. An immediate response from Z resulted - he was back.
Oct 1, 2023 8:03:29 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: And lo and behold, back to basics and something case-pertinent: The writings of William Heirens, The Lipstick Killer, above a lamp: ''For heavens sake, catch me before I kill more - I cannot control myself.''. These words clearly influencing the Zodiac,...
Oct 1, 2023 7:52:37 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Voigt's site is a sad load of ''zodiacfiller.tom ''. Travel to its peripheries, and you might find an interesting topic debated by sensible contributors. But up front, it's a house of madness furnished by someone now blacklisted by all of law enforcement.
Oct 1, 2023 7:09:31 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Tom: ''I have my site of dreams; my Gyke candidate & imaginary friends. Who needs Zodiac ?'. Ms Betts: ''I have never known Tom to make up a lie. I have my Honcho & his boys, and my story & the tears that I cry.''. Tom: ''I have no reason to doubt Sandy.''
Oct 1, 2023 6:21:19 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Voigt's glove puppet Uncle Sporkums is known for his innocuousness. This in contrast to Sporkum's flashing avatar, which keeps anyone with photophobia sensitivities away from his site. You're never alone with a Strand ? For Tom - it's an imaginary friend.
Oct 1, 2023 1:13:07 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Voigt's pettax not only used as an attack dog on Morf. He confuses regular members, also: ''There isn't any need to come up with a suspect. Becoming famous for not solving the case, unless rock solid nuke proof.''. Bolt: ''Didn't follow a word of that.''.
Oct 1, 2023 0:33:17 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Did you see the funny side of that one, ''Fibbers'' ? Martinez, and across the Carquinez Strait actually. Yes, Smack & Coke - Brown & White Sugar. Z probably imagined he would alert a small army of The FIB to descend on an entirely innocent sugar refinery.
Sept 30, 2023 9:41:35 GMT -8
Rub--law32: But maybe ?: Feb 6th 1980, to FBI Director Webster from a CA address: ''I am very pleased with your ABSCAM investigation. I would like to remind you that organized crime smuggles 90% of its drugs as raw & processed sugar thru the C&H Sugar Co., Benicia.''.
Sept 30, 2023 6:59:41 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: SF Examiner, August 4th 1969: ''When the girls failed to return home by 6:30 pm, Deborah's father Glen Furlong called police.''. Interestingly perhaps, two dates appear assigned to Vallejo on Bryan's door. There is no record of Z ever mentioning Benicia.
Sept 30, 2023 6:09:08 GMT -8
Rub--law32: Z's Dripping Pen card of Nov 8th 1969 claimed for 7 murders, and included the month of August (Aug). This accounts for the false claim of girls Snoozy & Furlong. Why not written on Bryan's car door ? It was:''6.30'' - time girls should have been home by.
Sept 30, 2023 5:46:01 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: An inference: Emma Caldwell (April 5th 2005, Glasgow) has been a spearheading murder victim, as early as Jan 2015. And it was her reinvestigation starting May 2015, which precipitated a move on Jane Doe 59 (Reet Jurvetson), the following month - June 2015.
Sept 30, 2023 3:57:19 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Update: If the case that San Jose PD received a Stine shirt swatch with the Nov 21st 1969 letter. And, given that LAPD acted on Jane Doe 59 in June 2015, then one realistic conclusion: The Zodiac is suspected of murdering Reet Jurvetson, Nov 14th 1969, LA.
Sept 30, 2023 3:18:27 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: You see CA DOJ, these are the sorts of concerns the public might have about your leadership. Granted you appear to have a special relationship with SFPD. But, why did you not inform South Lake Tahoe, Vallejo & Riverside PD's that FBI were case-excluded ?
Sept 30, 2023 2:21:56 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: The FBI: Intelligence Processors of The Zodiac Killer case, in the service of case custodians CA DOJ, 1969 - 2015. Yes, lying FBI - it came to an end. NO LONGER REQUIRED, on account of your Director James Comey's case conduct. Take note, all media outlets.
Sept 30, 2023 1:32:28 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Indeed, the focus will swing from who this man was, to why CA DOJ never solved it. Naturally, CA DOJ should desire to deliver Zodiac justice, but their actual abilities and case leadership will come into question, for performance of FBI alone - shambolic.
Sept 29, 2023 23:52:59 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: One has to wonder where the CA DOJ's head is ? In the sand ? No doubt they have weathered storms before, but the Zodiac case is the slow-burning mother of them all. Unsolved officially, it will never leave; soon to represent no hope left and only ridicule.
Sept 29, 2023 23:06:04 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Sometime never, CA DOJ ? It's still your case and you still remain silent. What's the problem ? The cat got your tongue ? All the public have is a deciphered postscript from May 2022 - a rebuke to FBI's Dan Olson, who still behaves as a criminal. Speak up.
Sept 29, 2023 16:55:05 GMT -8