Post by Rubislaw32 on Oct 10, 2016 13:06:58 GMT -8
Fascinating that you should mention this,Davb.
It would be interesting to see the Lincoln message posted [?].To see how the word zodiac is used in the context of the message.
The amount of times that I have found myself looking up ''The Gettysburg Address'' speech by Lincoln,when doing Zodiac research,I forget to count.
I never seem to find what I am looking for,but I'm sure Zodiac was influenced in some way,by Lincoln....who,of course,had the task of unifying The United States,when the civil war,was over.
There is almost countless examples of Zodiac seeing himself as Robert E.Lee,and,I would go as far,to conjecture that,Zodiac may have used ''Bob Lee'' as an a.k.a in his ''real life''[?].Darlene Ferrin's second diary has never turned up,and we must assume that Law Enforcement confiscated it [?].
Post by Rubislaw32 on Oct 24, 2016 11:47:20 GMT -8
With the fiftieth anniversary of the murder of Cheri Jo Bates,this coming week,there have been a number of references to her case,on the Zodiac websites,and how it fits in with the case of The Zodiac Killer.
As has always remained,The Riverside Police have maintained jurisdiction in the case of Miss Bates,though many believe that Zodiac,a serial killer,was responsible for her murder.
Following the murder of Darlene Ferrin,in July 1969,Zodiac was first recognized as a serial killer,and technically at least,the FBI assumed overall jurisdiction.
Given that official handwriting expert,Sherwood Morrill,was convinced of the Zodiac authenticity of correspondences related to the Cheri Jo Bates,it has always been a mystery to outsiders,why the murder of Miss Bates,wasn't officially recognized as a Zodiac crime.
Morrill,officially in the employment of The California State Department of Justice,was,effectively,unable to authenticate the handwriting,since The Riverside Police would not permit it,and there lies police and judicial politics,for which the general public have never been privy.
In an interview to a Newspaper,that can be viewed within the FBI Zodiac files that have been released,Morrill talks in more detail on the various finds,that surfaced on the Bates case.He was adamant that all correspondences believed to be the work of Zodiac,did indeed,come from the hand of the serial killer.
What may be of particular interest to the reader was,that this included the typed letter of confession.So,these experts aren't just about writing,which is the product of a crafted hand.The ''Confession'' letter,he added,was made with paper normally used for ''teletype'' or ''telex''.Perhaps,Zodiac had regular access to office facilities [?].
On a more general observation of Zodiac's ''stationary'' use,the cards,of course,could be traced to manufacturers,and to an extent,possible retail outlets.But most of the writing paper,was of a cheap ''pulp'' variety,with little,or no opportunities,to ascertain source.
With regard to Zodiac's actual handwriting,Morrill was not wholly convinced that Zodiac employed devices,such as projectors,to vary his style.Morrill's interpretation was that Zodiac was just very adept at creating variety of style,by hand.
Zodiac enthusiasts,in the majority,see the Cheri Jo Bates case,as ''one of Zodiac's''.
Starting this coming week,the ''fiftieth anniversaries'' begin also,therefore.
Donna Lass officially went missing on the 6th September 1970.She was a nurse,working at the tourist resort of Lake Tahoe,Nevada.
There is a body of opinion that believes that Miss Lass may have been a victim of Zodiac.Her body has never been found.
There is also a body of opinion that believes that the ''unauthenticated'' ''Peek through the Pines'' card,dated 22nd of March 1971,represents an attempt by Zodiac,to imply that he was responsible for her disappearance,and had buried her,somewhere in the Lake Tahoe vicinity - or specifically,at the Incline tourist village of condominiums,in that area.
That Zodiac may be responsible for the disappearance,is entirely possible.But,why is it that those that believe that Donna Lass was victim of Zodiac,tend to also believe that he buried her ?
If I might direct the reader to the ''Peek through the Pines'' card,the main picture on the card depicts workmen clearing snow from paths that connect a group of condominiums in a forest like setting.These workmen are using snow clearing shovels with long handles,designed for the task of clearing snow.These implements are specifically designed for that particular task,which is abundantly clear that they are carrying out.
The workmen are not digging holes in the ground,and their snow shovels would not be suitable for that task,anyway.
Pedantic,it may be,but how is it that the sight of men snow clearing paths,somehow equates to the inference that Donna Lass was buried in the ground ?
As it transpires,that Autumn that Miss Lass went missing,was one of the warmest on record,for the Lake Tahoe area,and snow did not arrive,at the altitude level of the condominiums,until well into the following month of October.It is unlikely,therefore,that snow had anything to do with the disappearance of Donna Lass.
A hole in the ground,or a hole in the snow....I do not see that particular connection to the disappearance of Donna Lass.
As a general overview of the case of The Zodiac Killer,and as someone who has been involved in a number of what could best be called ''periphery matters'',surrounding the case,I am sensing a definite ''reawakening'',by Law Enforcement,to this unsolved ''phenomenon''.
If we accept that the main focus of attention,has largely centered on Zodiac's ''confirmed'' period 1968-1974,and predominantly Northern California,there are,I would suggest,two further ''spans'' to consider.
The first,being 1963-1967,perhaps more Southern California focused,with the Swindles and Domingo/Edwards cases,and latterly,the ''close Zodiac'' case of Cheri Jo Bates.In addition,the possibility of Zodiac,as more of a TV watching,celebrity list making ''nut''.
The second,being 1975-1990,with a number of possible crimes under scrutiny,and unconfirmed correspondences in abundance.A ''Zodiac''perhaps,more confident,spreading his wings geographically,with a track record of ''successes'',already ''notched up''.
A perceived ''relaxation'' by The Riverside Police,on the case of Cheri Jo Bates,and ''uncertain'' police shenanigans in Scotland,UK,may just be the tip of the iceberg [?].
Law Enforcement,in general,will be desperate to maintaining matters as close to their chests,if this ''shift'' is indeed,the case.Advances in Forensic analysis have advanced by seismic proportions,in recent years,which may also have contributed,but ''time factors'' in dealing with potential ''new evidence'',will not necessarily be any quicker.In many instances,greater time frames may be required,to place more pieces of the ''Zodiac puzzle'' together.
The case of The Zodiac Killer can only be fully solved,by the Judiciary ''converting'' evidence obtained by the police,into the conviction of a person or persons,in a recognized Court of Law.
No other means,in a civilized society,counts.
Much optimism though,for bringing the final curtain down,on this ''theatrical performer'',once and for all.
How strange that ''working associates'' James Comey and Frank Mulholland,have both been in the news recently,for varying reasons.
The Director of the FBI,Comey,close to the headlines for ''making waves'' over Hillary Clinton's [presumably] inappropriate e-mails.
The Scottish prosecutions lawyer,and by his own admission,a man driven by taking down serial killers,Mulholland,for relinquishing his position as Lord Advocate,in favor of ''doing other things''.
Perhaps mischievous of me to mention,but I am reminded of the closing line in the film ''Casablanca'',where nightclub owner ''Rick'' and police chief ''Louis'' are standing alone on a deserted airfield.
Rick to Louis :
''Louis,I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.''
Just to put ''the cat among the pigeons'',there are a number of ''unconfirmed'' topics that I perceive to be,most worthy of discussion,on this site.No doubt we will get around to them,in time [?].
They include :
i] Was Zodiac responsible for,at least one of the ''D.B.Cooper'' letters ? - I believe he was.
ii] Did Zodiac make reference to the relatively new technology of the Audio Cassette recorder/player ? - I believe he did.
iii] Was the real hair color of the suspect,known only as ''Sandy'',actually ''Dark'' ? And,was this same suspect,really as reported,as short as 5ft 3in ?
iv] Given that The Domingo/Edwards case is seen,by some,to be ''Zodiac's'' possible first murders,what was the specific motive,behind their killings ? It didn't have to be the motive,that caused ''Zodiac'' to ''wage war with the world'',but their crime may represent the first time that ''Zodiac'' realized that he was capable of actually slaughtering his fellow man [?].
The murder of Darlene Ferrin is seen by some,to be ''personal''.Was The Domingo/Edwards murders also personal ? - not that ''Zodiac'' knew them - they just represented ''trespassers'' on his ''makeshift'' home [?].
This case brings into question,''Zodiac's'' propensity and ''threshold'',for rage [?].
What do Winston Churchill and The Zodiac Killer have in common ?
The same hero - Confederate General,Robert E.Lee.
General Robert E.Lee's nickname,given by those who served under him,was ''The King of Spades'',on account of his obsession with ''Trench Warfare'',and insisting that all his soldiers were issued with a spade.
Robert E.Lee's emergence in the annals of Zodiac's exploits,appears to become more and more apparent.Not least,The Halloween Card,The ''408'' solution hoaxer,The Paul Stine murder,and The ''A Citizen'' card.
In all cases ''by suggestion'',but one is perhaps persuaded,that Zodiac viewed Robert E.Lee as his ''sense of self'',in his planning and strategy,of crimes.
In the ''Cards of Life'' philosophy,''The King of Spades'' is seen as the most powerful card of all [...with the Jack of Hearts and Eight of Clubs,below..].
In the ''Mysticism'' of Tarot,''The King of Spades'' in its upright position,represents ''Intellectual Power'' and ''Authority''.In an upside down position,''Manipulative'',''Tyrannical'' and ''Abusive''.
Two sides to the ''coin'' of The Zodiac Killer [?].
The term ''Spade'' is not so innocuous in many cultures.In Spanish,French and Italian,for example,''The King of Spades'' is known as ''The King of Swords'',and this King is often recognized as the Biblical King David,who slew Goliath.
So,Robert E.Lee,who revered Frederick The Great,and was revered by Winston Churchill.
A ''Triad'',perhaps,revered by The Zodiac Killer [?].
Sherwood Morrill was a documents and Handwriting expert,as a public servant,in the employment of The State of California,for most of his working life.
If we assess the the catalogue of released ''Zodiac'' correspondence,as one entity of both officially authenticated and unconfirmed,then it becomes apparent that Morrill would have been willing to authenticate most of it,if a decision had been solely down to him.
It is glaringly apparent,for example,that all surfacing correspondence in relation to the Cherie Jo Bates murder,was left unauthenticated,owing to a decision of police and judicial politics.It was certainly not always the case that handwriting was left unauthenticated,on a basis of differing opinions,between ''experts''.
Sherwood Morrill retired in 1973,I believe,and died in 1988.Even after his retirement,he still held a ''vocal'' and respected position,with respect to the case of The Zodiac Killer.
The ''key'' period of authenticated Zodiac ''activity'' remains documented,as 1968-1974.And yet,Morrill,through his work and assessment,saw the period as 1966-1987.
Post by Rubislaw32 on Jan 30, 2017 22:44:43 GMT -8
Legendary screen actor,Jack Nicholson,sagely once remarked that his mother never did quite see the irony in referring to Nicholson as ''A Son of a Bitch''.
With a sobering further twist of irony,Nicholson was to learn,later in life,that his ''mother'' was actually his grandmother,and that his ''oldest sister'',was actually his mother.
As expected,perhaps,when this revelation became apparent,Nicholson was to keep his private thoughts to himself.We can only presume,by then,that since Mr.Nicholson had already made a success of his life,the impact was not quite as devastating as might be,on a young person,starting out in life,with a questionable level of confidence [?].
As convicted serial killer,Ted Bundy,neared the end of his life,with the inevitability of the electric chair,creeping closer,he opened up in trying to explain his behavior.The cynics,perhaps rightfully,pointed to the notion,that Bundy desired to leave some sort of tale of crushed morality,which might leave a legacy of excusing Bundy's horrific carnage.
Bundy blamed his ''disintegration'' on the Porn Industry.The Porn Industry,The fraternity of Clinical Psychologists,Law Enforcement and The Media,all saw this as ''a crock of sh*t''.
What was generally agreed,was that if there was a pivotal moment in Bundy's life,that changed ''everything'',it was learning that he was illegitimate,at birth.
Bright,gifted and good looking,a young Bundy held the world at his feet.Then suddenly,a single piece of factual information conspires to taint his very being.It may well have destroyed him,inside [?].
What was it,that ''changed everything'' for The Zodiac Killer ? What became his driving force,to commit carnage ? What was Zodiac's ''Primary Motive''?
When legendary Lawman,Wyatt Earp,confided in his best friend Doc Holliday,that he was struggling to deal with ''lawless'' Johnny Ringo,Holliday's explanation was that Ringo's problem was ''Being Born''.The consequence,no doubt,of the hand that Ringo felt that he had been dealt,in life.
It is my contention that what became Zodiac's ''reason d'etre'',was not so dissimilar to Johnny Ringo's - and the same as ''one'' Theodore Bundy.
Shortly after the 10th December 1969,The Sacramento Bee Newspaper received,what was believed to be Zodiac correspondence.
Now known as the ''Cancer Flt 555'' letter,its contents amounted to a magazine page from an Astrology journal,entitled ''Day-Day Forecasts for Cancer''.
The word ''Cancer'',had been circled.
Pasted on to this page was the cryptic message : ''ACTION GUIDE WANT ZODIAC BIRDS FLY SOUTH HIDDEN WATCH FLT 555 MAGIC AMULET''.
The FBI's conclusion,on examining this message,appears to be that Zodiac was giving notice that he intended to return South - presumably,within California - and that FLT 555,might refer to a commercial air flight.
The message is,indeed quite cryptic,but almost certainly something along the lines of geographic movement,by Zodiac [?].
''HIDDEN WATCH'' is probably a reference to a decision to seek covered refuge,and observe the ''fall-out'' of his recent antics [?].
''555'' denotes a change,on the horizon,for the better - in Numerology.
''MAGIC AMULET'' is some form of ''Lucky Charm'',to ward of ''Danger''.
What I have found,most notable,about the pasted message is,that the words employed are of ''unremarkable'' graphic style - and could,more or less,have been cut out from anywhere.
EXCEPT,the font,with regard to ''FLT 555''.
''FLT 555'' is,I would proffer,UNIQUE.It comes from the graphics employed,on the branding of cigarette packs for ''555 Filter King Size Cigarettes from State Express of London''.
These cigarettes have been manufactured by British American Tobacco Company,since 1925.
Unlike other well known brands,made by this company,like ''Rothmans'' and ''Lucky Strike'',''555 Filter Kings'' are more exclusively available at ''Duty Free'' outlets,such as airports.So,they are usually seen as a ''traveler's'' cigarette.
British American's largest market for ''555 Filter Kings'' is The Far East,and have remained,for many years,the most successful imported brand of cigarette,in China.
Returning to ''Zodiac's'' message : ''ACTION GUIDE WANT ZODIAC BIRDS FLY SOUTH HIDDEN WATCH FLT 555 MAGIC AMULET''.
I would suggest,that rather than being a reference to a commercial air flight,undertaken by Zodiac,''FLT 555'' is actually referring to his ''Lucky Charm'',and that which accompanied Zodiac,wherever he went [?].
''That'' which gave Zodiac,a form of ''companionship'' and comfort,in all those hours of planning and stalking his prey [?].
555 Filter King Size Cigarettes,by State Express of London.
Was Zodiac a ''Triple 5'' smoker ? And,does his brand of cigarette suggest that he had become more ''worldly'',than just moving around California ?
Rubislaw32: Secret Pa William Grant for the murders he had committed, and likely now that he had at least claimed for Jane Doe 59 (Reet) in Los Angeles - but suppressed by the FBI. Moreover, he had no guns left. Beyond a blades man, he would have to become a bomber.
Oct 1, 2023 9:11:47 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: There were a handful of reasons the Zodiac was at his lowest ebb, as apparently inferred in his letter to Belli of December 20th 1969. One year on from his first attack at Lake Herman Road, the Zodiac seemed no closer to successfully fitting up his...
Oct 1, 2023 8:58:57 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...in his letter sent to Melvin Belli. With the murder of gay lamp designer Robert Salem covered by the SF Chronicle in April 1970, it presented a chance to provoke Z into turning up figuratively again. An immediate response from Z resulted - he was back.
Oct 1, 2023 8:03:29 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: And lo and behold, back to basics and something case-pertinent: The writings of William Heirens, The Lipstick Killer, above a lamp: ''For heavens sake, catch me before I kill more - I cannot control myself.''. These words clearly influencing the Zodiac,...
Oct 1, 2023 7:52:37 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Voigt's site is a sad load of ''zodiacfiller.tom ''. Travel to its peripheries, and you might find an interesting topic debated by sensible contributors. But up front, it's a house of madness furnished by someone now blacklisted by all of law enforcement.
Oct 1, 2023 7:09:31 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Tom: ''I have my site of dreams; my Gyke candidate & imaginary friends. Who needs Zodiac ?'. Ms Betts: ''I have never known Tom to make up a lie. I have my Honcho & his boys, and my story & the tears that I cry.''. Tom: ''I have no reason to doubt Sandy.''
Oct 1, 2023 6:21:19 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Voigt's glove puppet Uncle Sporkums is known for his innocuousness. This in contrast to Sporkum's flashing avatar, which keeps anyone with photophobia sensitivities away from his site. You're never alone with a Strand ? For Tom - it's an imaginary friend.
Oct 1, 2023 1:13:07 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Voigt's pettax not only used as an attack dog on Morf. He confuses regular members, also: ''There isn't any need to come up with a suspect. Becoming famous for not solving the case, unless rock solid nuke proof.''. Bolt: ''Didn't follow a word of that.''.
Oct 1, 2023 0:33:17 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Did you see the funny side of that one, ''Fibbers'' ? Martinez, and across the Carquinez Strait actually. Yes, Smack & Coke - Brown & White Sugar. Z probably imagined he would alert a small army of The FIB to descend on an entirely innocent sugar refinery.
Sept 30, 2023 9:41:35 GMT -8
Rub--law32: But maybe ?: Feb 6th 1980, to FBI Director Webster from a CA address: ''I am very pleased with your ABSCAM investigation. I would like to remind you that organized crime smuggles 90% of its drugs as raw & processed sugar thru the C&H Sugar Co., Benicia.''.
Sept 30, 2023 6:59:41 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: SF Examiner, August 4th 1969: ''When the girls failed to return home by 6:30 pm, Deborah's father Glen Furlong called police.''. Interestingly perhaps, two dates appear assigned to Vallejo on Bryan's door. There is no record of Z ever mentioning Benicia.
Sept 30, 2023 6:09:08 GMT -8
Rub--law32: Z's Dripping Pen card of Nov 8th 1969 claimed for 7 murders, and included the month of August (Aug). This accounts for the false claim of girls Snoozy & Furlong. Why not written on Bryan's car door ? It was:''6.30'' - time girls should have been home by.
Sept 30, 2023 5:46:01 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: An inference: Emma Caldwell (April 5th 2005, Glasgow) has been a spearheading murder victim, as early as Jan 2015. And it was her reinvestigation starting May 2015, which precipitated a move on Jane Doe 59 (Reet Jurvetson), the following month - June 2015.
Sept 30, 2023 3:57:19 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Update: If the case that San Jose PD received a Stine shirt swatch with the Nov 21st 1969 letter. And, given that LAPD acted on Jane Doe 59 in June 2015, then one realistic conclusion: The Zodiac is suspected of murdering Reet Jurvetson, Nov 14th 1969, LA.
Sept 30, 2023 3:18:27 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: You see CA DOJ, these are the sorts of concerns the public might have about your leadership. Granted you appear to have a special relationship with SFPD. But, why did you not inform South Lake Tahoe, Vallejo & Riverside PD's that FBI were case-excluded ?
Sept 30, 2023 2:21:56 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: The FBI: Intelligence Processors of The Zodiac Killer case, in the service of case custodians CA DOJ, 1969 - 2015. Yes, lying FBI - it came to an end. NO LONGER REQUIRED, on account of your Director James Comey's case conduct. Take note, all media outlets.
Sept 30, 2023 1:32:28 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Indeed, the focus will swing from who this man was, to why CA DOJ never solved it. Naturally, CA DOJ should desire to deliver Zodiac justice, but their actual abilities and case leadership will come into question, for performance of FBI alone - shambolic.
Sept 29, 2023 23:52:59 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: One has to wonder where the CA DOJ's head is ? In the sand ? No doubt they have weathered storms before, but the Zodiac case is the slow-burning mother of them all. Unsolved officially, it will never leave; soon to represent no hope left and only ridicule.
Sept 29, 2023 23:06:04 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Sometime never, CA DOJ ? It's still your case and you still remain silent. What's the problem ? The cat got your tongue ? All the public have is a deciphered postscript from May 2022 - a rebuke to FBI's Dan Olson, who still behaves as a criminal. Speak up.
Sept 29, 2023 16:55:05 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: As Duane Davis is charged with the murder of Tupac Shakur, Las Vegas PD's sheriff becomes emotional when pointing out that Shakur's family have waited 27 years for justice. Double those 27 years ? 54 years, and still no Zodiac justice. A disgrace, CA DOJ.
Sept 29, 2023 16:28:41 GMT -8