Post by Rubislaw32 on Oct 10, 2016 13:06:58 GMT -8
Fascinating that you should mention this,Davb.
It would be interesting to see the Lincoln message posted [?].To see how the word zodiac is used in the context of the message.
The amount of times that I have found myself looking up ''The Gettysburg Address'' speech by Lincoln,when doing Zodiac research,I forget to count.
I never seem to find what I am looking for,but I'm sure Zodiac was influenced in some way,by Lincoln....who,of course,had the task of unifying The United States,when the civil war,was over.
There is almost countless examples of Zodiac seeing himself as Robert E.Lee,and,I would go as far,to conjecture that,Zodiac may have used ''Bob Lee'' as an a.k.a in his ''real life''[?].Darlene Ferrin's second diary has never turned up,and we must assume that Law Enforcement confiscated it [?].
Post by Rubislaw32 on Oct 24, 2016 11:47:20 GMT -8
With the fiftieth anniversary of the murder of Cheri Jo Bates,this coming week,there have been a number of references to her case,on the Zodiac websites,and how it fits in with the case of The Zodiac Killer.
As has always remained,The Riverside Police have maintained jurisdiction in the case of Miss Bates,though many believe that Zodiac,a serial killer,was responsible for her murder.
Following the murder of Darlene Ferrin,in July 1969,Zodiac was first recognized as a serial killer,and technically at least,the FBI assumed overall jurisdiction.
Given that official handwriting expert,Sherwood Morrill,was convinced of the Zodiac authenticity of correspondences related to the Cheri Jo Bates,it has always been a mystery to outsiders,why the murder of Miss Bates,wasn't officially recognized as a Zodiac crime.
Morrill,officially in the employment of The California State Department of Justice,was,effectively,unable to authenticate the handwriting,since The Riverside Police would not permit it,and there lies police and judicial politics,for which the general public have never been privy.
In an interview to a Newspaper,that can be viewed within the FBI Zodiac files that have been released,Morrill talks in more detail on the various finds,that surfaced on the Bates case.He was adamant that all correspondences believed to be the work of Zodiac,did indeed,come from the hand of the serial killer.
What may be of particular interest to the reader was,that this included the typed letter of confession.So,these experts aren't just about writing,which is the product of a crafted hand.The ''Confession'' letter,he added,was made with paper normally used for ''teletype'' or ''telex''.Perhaps,Zodiac had regular access to office facilities [?].
On a more general observation of Zodiac's ''stationary'' use,the cards,of course,could be traced to manufacturers,and to an extent,possible retail outlets.But most of the writing paper,was of a cheap ''pulp'' variety,with little,or no opportunities,to ascertain source.
With regard to Zodiac's actual handwriting,Morrill was not wholly convinced that Zodiac employed devices,such as projectors,to vary his style.Morrill's interpretation was that Zodiac was just very adept at creating variety of style,by hand.
Zodiac enthusiasts,in the majority,see the Cheri Jo Bates case,as ''one of Zodiac's''.
Starting this coming week,the ''fiftieth anniversaries'' begin also,therefore.
Donna Lass officially went missing on the 6th September 1970.She was a nurse,working at the tourist resort of Lake Tahoe,Nevada.
There is a body of opinion that believes that Miss Lass may have been a victim of Zodiac.Her body has never been found.
There is also a body of opinion that believes that the ''unauthenticated'' ''Peek through the Pines'' card,dated 22nd of March 1971,represents an attempt by Zodiac,to imply that he was responsible for her disappearance,and had buried her,somewhere in the Lake Tahoe vicinity - or specifically,at the Incline tourist village of condominiums,in that area.
That Zodiac may be responsible for the disappearance,is entirely possible.But,why is it that those that believe that Donna Lass was victim of Zodiac,tend to also believe that he buried her ?
If I might direct the reader to the ''Peek through the Pines'' card,the main picture on the card depicts workmen clearing snow from paths that connect a group of condominiums in a forest like setting.These workmen are using snow clearing shovels with long handles,designed for the task of clearing snow.These implements are specifically designed for that particular task,which is abundantly clear that they are carrying out.
The workmen are not digging holes in the ground,and their snow shovels would not be suitable for that task,anyway.
Pedantic,it may be,but how is it that the sight of men snow clearing paths,somehow equates to the inference that Donna Lass was buried in the ground ?
As it transpires,that Autumn that Miss Lass went missing,was one of the warmest on record,for the Lake Tahoe area,and snow did not arrive,at the altitude level of the condominiums,until well into the following month of October.It is unlikely,therefore,that snow had anything to do with the disappearance of Donna Lass.
A hole in the ground,or a hole in the snow....I do not see that particular connection to the disappearance of Donna Lass.
As a general overview of the case of The Zodiac Killer,and as someone who has been involved in a number of what could best be called ''periphery matters'',surrounding the case,I am sensing a definite ''reawakening'',by Law Enforcement,to this unsolved ''phenomenon''.
If we accept that the main focus of attention,has largely centered on Zodiac's ''confirmed'' period 1968-1974,and predominantly Northern California,there are,I would suggest,two further ''spans'' to consider.
The first,being 1963-1967,perhaps more Southern California focused,with the Swindles and Domingo/Edwards cases,and latterly,the ''close Zodiac'' case of Cheri Jo Bates.In addition,the possibility of Zodiac,as more of a TV watching,celebrity list making ''nut''.
The second,being 1975-1990,with a number of possible crimes under scrutiny,and unconfirmed correspondences in abundance.A ''Zodiac''perhaps,more confident,spreading his wings geographically,with a track record of ''successes'',already ''notched up''.
A perceived ''relaxation'' by The Riverside Police,on the case of Cheri Jo Bates,and ''uncertain'' police shenanigans in Scotland,UK,may just be the tip of the iceberg [?].
Law Enforcement,in general,will be desperate to maintaining matters as close to their chests,if this ''shift'' is indeed,the case.Advances in Forensic analysis have advanced by seismic proportions,in recent years,which may also have contributed,but ''time factors'' in dealing with potential ''new evidence'',will not necessarily be any quicker.In many instances,greater time frames may be required,to place more pieces of the ''Zodiac puzzle'' together.
The case of The Zodiac Killer can only be fully solved,by the Judiciary ''converting'' evidence obtained by the police,into the conviction of a person or persons,in a recognized Court of Law.
No other means,in a civilized society,counts.
Much optimism though,for bringing the final curtain down,on this ''theatrical performer'',once and for all.
How strange that ''working associates'' James Comey and Frank Mulholland,have both been in the news recently,for varying reasons.
The Director of the FBI,Comey,close to the headlines for ''making waves'' over Hillary Clinton's [presumably] inappropriate e-mails.
The Scottish prosecutions lawyer,and by his own admission,a man driven by taking down serial killers,Mulholland,for relinquishing his position as Lord Advocate,in favor of ''doing other things''.
Perhaps mischievous of me to mention,but I am reminded of the closing line in the film ''Casablanca'',where nightclub owner ''Rick'' and police chief ''Louis'' are standing alone on a deserted airfield.
Rick to Louis :
''Louis,I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.''
Just to put ''the cat among the pigeons'',there are a number of ''unconfirmed'' topics that I perceive to be,most worthy of discussion,on this site.No doubt we will get around to them,in time [?].
They include :
i] Was Zodiac responsible for,at least one of the ''D.B.Cooper'' letters ? - I believe he was.
ii] Did Zodiac make reference to the relatively new technology of the Audio Cassette recorder/player ? - I believe he did.
iii] Was the real hair color of the suspect,known only as ''Sandy'',actually ''Dark'' ? And,was this same suspect,really as reported,as short as 5ft 3in ?
iv] Given that The Domingo/Edwards case is seen,by some,to be ''Zodiac's'' possible first murders,what was the specific motive,behind their killings ? It didn't have to be the motive,that caused ''Zodiac'' to ''wage war with the world'',but their crime may represent the first time that ''Zodiac'' realized that he was capable of actually slaughtering his fellow man [?].
The murder of Darlene Ferrin is seen by some,to be ''personal''.Was The Domingo/Edwards murders also personal ? - not that ''Zodiac'' knew them - they just represented ''trespassers'' on his ''makeshift'' home [?].
This case brings into question,''Zodiac's'' propensity and ''threshold'',for rage [?].
What do Winston Churchill and The Zodiac Killer have in common ?
The same hero - Confederate General,Robert E.Lee.
General Robert E.Lee's nickname,given by those who served under him,was ''The King of Spades'',on account of his obsession with ''Trench Warfare'',and insisting that all his soldiers were issued with a spade.
Robert E.Lee's emergence in the annals of Zodiac's exploits,appears to become more and more apparent.Not least,The Halloween Card,The ''408'' solution hoaxer,The Paul Stine murder,and The ''A Citizen'' card.
In all cases ''by suggestion'',but one is perhaps persuaded,that Zodiac viewed Robert E.Lee as his ''sense of self'',in his planning and strategy,of crimes.
In the ''Cards of Life'' philosophy,''The King of Spades'' is seen as the most powerful card of all [...with the Jack of Hearts and Eight of Clubs,below..].
In the ''Mysticism'' of Tarot,''The King of Spades'' in its upright position,represents ''Intellectual Power'' and ''Authority''.In an upside down position,''Manipulative'',''Tyrannical'' and ''Abusive''.
Two sides to the ''coin'' of The Zodiac Killer [?].
The term ''Spade'' is not so innocuous in many cultures.In Spanish,French and Italian,for example,''The King of Spades'' is known as ''The King of Swords'',and this King is often recognized as the Biblical King David,who slew Goliath.
So,Robert E.Lee,who revered Frederick The Great,and was revered by Winston Churchill.
A ''Triad'',perhaps,revered by The Zodiac Killer [?].
Sherwood Morrill was a documents and Handwriting expert,as a public servant,in the employment of The State of California,for most of his working life.
If we assess the the catalogue of released ''Zodiac'' correspondence,as one entity of both officially authenticated and unconfirmed,then it becomes apparent that Morrill would have been willing to authenticate most of it,if a decision had been solely down to him.
It is glaringly apparent,for example,that all surfacing correspondence in relation to the Cherie Jo Bates murder,was left unauthenticated,owing to a decision of police and judicial politics.It was certainly not always the case that handwriting was left unauthenticated,on a basis of differing opinions,between ''experts''.
Sherwood Morrill retired in 1973,I believe,and died in 1988.Even after his retirement,he still held a ''vocal'' and respected position,with respect to the case of The Zodiac Killer.
The ''key'' period of authenticated Zodiac ''activity'' remains documented,as 1968-1974.And yet,Morrill,through his work and assessment,saw the period as 1966-1987.
Post by Rubislaw32 on Jan 30, 2017 22:44:43 GMT -8
Legendary screen actor,Jack Nicholson,sagely once remarked that his mother never did quite see the irony in referring to Nicholson as ''A Son of a Bitch''.
With a sobering further twist of irony,Nicholson was to learn,later in life,that his ''mother'' was actually his grandmother,and that his ''oldest sister'',was actually his mother.
As expected,perhaps,when this revelation became apparent,Nicholson was to keep his private thoughts to himself.We can only presume,by then,that since Mr.Nicholson had already made a success of his life,the impact was not quite as devastating as might be,on a young person,starting out in life,with a questionable level of confidence [?].
As convicted serial killer,Ted Bundy,neared the end of his life,with the inevitability of the electric chair,creeping closer,he opened up in trying to explain his behavior.The cynics,perhaps rightfully,pointed to the notion,that Bundy desired to leave some sort of tale of crushed morality,which might leave a legacy of excusing Bundy's horrific carnage.
Bundy blamed his ''disintegration'' on the Porn Industry.The Porn Industry,The fraternity of Clinical Psychologists,Law Enforcement and The Media,all saw this as ''a crock of sh*t''.
What was generally agreed,was that if there was a pivotal moment in Bundy's life,that changed ''everything'',it was learning that he was illegitimate,at birth.
Bright,gifted and good looking,a young Bundy held the world at his feet.Then suddenly,a single piece of factual information conspires to taint his very being.It may well have destroyed him,inside [?].
What was it,that ''changed everything'' for The Zodiac Killer ? What became his driving force,to commit carnage ? What was Zodiac's ''Primary Motive''?
When legendary Lawman,Wyatt Earp,confided in his best friend Doc Holliday,that he was struggling to deal with ''lawless'' Johnny Ringo,Holliday's explanation was that Ringo's problem was ''Being Born''.The consequence,no doubt,of the hand that Ringo felt that he had been dealt,in life.
It is my contention that what became Zodiac's ''reason d'etre'',was not so dissimilar to Johnny Ringo's - and the same as ''one'' Theodore Bundy.
Shortly after the 10th December 1969,The Sacramento Bee Newspaper received,what was believed to be Zodiac correspondence.
Now known as the ''Cancer Flt 555'' letter,its contents amounted to a magazine page from an Astrology journal,entitled ''Day-Day Forecasts for Cancer''.
The word ''Cancer'',had been circled.
Pasted on to this page was the cryptic message : ''ACTION GUIDE WANT ZODIAC BIRDS FLY SOUTH HIDDEN WATCH FLT 555 MAGIC AMULET''.
The FBI's conclusion,on examining this message,appears to be that Zodiac was giving notice that he intended to return South - presumably,within California - and that FLT 555,might refer to a commercial air flight.
The message is,indeed quite cryptic,but almost certainly something along the lines of geographic movement,by Zodiac [?].
''HIDDEN WATCH'' is probably a reference to a decision to seek covered refuge,and observe the ''fall-out'' of his recent antics [?].
''555'' denotes a change,on the horizon,for the better - in Numerology.
''MAGIC AMULET'' is some form of ''Lucky Charm'',to ward of ''Danger''.
What I have found,most notable,about the pasted message is,that the words employed are of ''unremarkable'' graphic style - and could,more or less,have been cut out from anywhere.
EXCEPT,the font,with regard to ''FLT 555''.
''FLT 555'' is,I would proffer,UNIQUE.It comes from the graphics employed,on the branding of cigarette packs for ''555 Filter King Size Cigarettes from State Express of London''.
These cigarettes have been manufactured by British American Tobacco Company,since 1925.
Unlike other well known brands,made by this company,like ''Rothmans'' and ''Lucky Strike'',''555 Filter Kings'' are more exclusively available at ''Duty Free'' outlets,such as airports.So,they are usually seen as a ''traveler's'' cigarette.
British American's largest market for ''555 Filter Kings'' is The Far East,and have remained,for many years,the most successful imported brand of cigarette,in China.
Returning to ''Zodiac's'' message : ''ACTION GUIDE WANT ZODIAC BIRDS FLY SOUTH HIDDEN WATCH FLT 555 MAGIC AMULET''.
I would suggest,that rather than being a reference to a commercial air flight,undertaken by Zodiac,''FLT 555'' is actually referring to his ''Lucky Charm'',and that which accompanied Zodiac,wherever he went [?].
''That'' which gave Zodiac,a form of ''companionship'' and comfort,in all those hours of planning and stalking his prey [?].
555 Filter King Size Cigarettes,by State Express of London.
Was Zodiac a ''Triple 5'' smoker ? And,does his brand of cigarette suggest that he had become more ''worldly'',than just moving around California ?
Rubislaw32: see HMIC about this - OK ?
Jan 28, 2020 6:17:56 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Thanks 525307 CO
Jan 25, 2020 6:43:03 GMT -8
Sandy: RandolphCarter: all victims different horoscope signs. Darlene Ferrin born on cusp of Cancer and Leo. Sorry but Darlene was not born on the cusp Cancer and Leo, she was born under the cusp of Pisces and Aries. Her birthday is in March not July.
Jan 24, 2020 19:06:47 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Thanks for the Blackfoot Alphabet tip , Guest 123 .This could be of interest , with the Z148 cipher text . Given a link to the Karl Werner murders , Z148 is likely to be Zodiac authentic . Nice spot .
Jan 11, 2020 6:53:53 GMT -8
Guest123: Most of the people murdered have double letters in their name. Is it a coincidence? Is it deliberate?
Jan 10, 2020 22:05:39 GMT -8
Guest123: Look at the Blackfoot alphabet. Some of the letters look like the symbol in one or more of the cyphers.
Jan 10, 2020 21:50:26 GMT -8
Handyman: ricardo; if the watch is as a compass and the math addad , 36/42 or between its centre 40/41 would or could this also be used at the geographical end of the puzzle , I heard the trick is to find his north ? seeing as the numbers are a key. dvk
Dec 19, 2019 7:55:37 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Apple Florez extends her apologies to all members,at this site,for her insults,and regrets that she was frustrated,at the time of posting.[refer : Kenneth Lester German ]
Sept 11, 2019 18:02:21 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Belli defended murderer Jack Ruby
Sept 1, 2019 15:28:14 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: "This thing in me wont let me" Z wasn't nuts, he knew truth.
Sept 1, 2019 15:27:39 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: It is worth it to look at subsidies received by the Lykes Steamship Co since the foundation of the Maritime Administration and notice all of those extra digits. I believe I've made my point and will digress.
Sept 1, 2019 12:58:42 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Is there wisdom in stopping someone trying to fix the world? Would our research be better spent on JFK, RFK, Bugliosi, and all those states down in the Caribbean we know nothing about?
Sept 1, 2019 12:56:57 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Was Goldcatcher thought up to catch greedhounds?
Aug 30, 2019 13:14:18 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Were there any significant astronomical events of 2019 Zodiac would have observed? What were his thoughts on the Ultima Thule Flyby? Randolph Carter smiled to himself in the Strange High House In The Mist that night and thought of sunken Uralia.
Aug 30, 2019 13:13:19 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: The irony of reward money is there must be a world left to spend it in. How deep does Zodiac go and will there still be a bank to go to? The clear headed researcher must remind himself of this.
Aug 30, 2019 13:09:05 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: David Farrady born under Libra killed under Sagittarius. Paul Stine born under Sagittarius killed under Libra.
Aug 30, 2019 11:33:42 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: all victims different horoscope signs. Darlene Ferrin born on cusp of Cancer and Leo.
Aug 30, 2019 11:30:59 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Just how many scandals were kept secret by the zodiac remaining unsolved?
Aug 29, 2019 20:32:15 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: How many Paul Tates were there and did Blaine ever meet Gutierrez Mannoyo?
Aug 29, 2019 20:31:15 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Did Cheri Jo ever interact with a "John Riverside"?
Aug 29, 2019 20:27:50 GMT -8