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Kane
Sept 20, 2014 11:15:47 GMT -8
Post by WelshChappie on Sept 20, 2014 11:15:47 GMT -8
Thanks for this information! Maybe we can find out if he was living there before 1980. In 95 he listed his address as being Cave Rock Villas, Zephyr Cove. In 1980 he was listed as living in Ponderosa, Skyland, NV. In another instance Kane lists his address as Mccfaul Way, Zephyr Cove. It seems that he stayed in the Zephyr Cove area post 1980 but kept moving address which is odd in itself. If his arrest record is anything to go by, Kane was all over the place. His rap sheet shows an arrest almost annually from 1946 up to 1968 and the places where his arrest took place are:
- Hackensack, New Jersey
- Albany, New York (and arrested also in Mineola and Poughkeepsie, NY )
- Hattiesburg, Missouri
- Alameda County, California (arrested also in Palo Alto, Menlo Park, Redwood City, Placerville and Los Angeles, CA)
- Oak Brook and Wheaton, Illinois.
Whether he lived in the places and States at the time he was arrested in each area/State, who knows. Could just as easily be visiting someone each time. |
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Post by WelshChappie on Sept 20, 2014 18:21:59 GMT -8
Hey Sandy, I must apologise for having doubt at one time previously as to whether Kane was born to Morris H Klein & Sarah Benjamin due to my not being able to find any records. Allow me to again apologise as you were absolutely spot on.... Click image to enlarge:  |
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Post by WelshChappie on Sept 21, 2014 8:24:50 GMT -8
What I still get puzzled over also is, how could Cane afford to live in Zephyr Cove and do so while appearing to move from street to street in and around the area.
116 Ponderosa, Skyland, NV
408 McFaul Way, Zephyr Cove, NV
Round hill Village, Zephyr Cove
Cave Rock Villa, Z Cove
I mean I was aware that Frontal Lobe Brain Injured people lack impulse control but I didn't think they'd impulsively want to move every 7 days lol....(slight exaggeration I know.) In all honesty though he was an everyday real estate salesman, and living in condo's on the Lake Front in what looks to me to be, 'Paradice'. I mean is he the reason we now have the phrase/saying 'As happy as Larry?' As happy as Larry Cane living way above his means and every-time he is requested to declare his address in Zephyr, gives a different address. Cane can't go across the street before his lacking ability to Control impulsive desires rears it's head and Cane dashes in a panic to place his deposit on his new address he want's to move to until the week after.
The FBI - Federal Bureau of Speculation in this case as they get Larry's SSN. Incorrect in this Document, but they have his address listed: 116 Ponderosa Drive, Skyland, NV.
Only recently, 106 Ponderosa Drive, Skyland was put up for sale and in this economic climate of extreme recession, the property sold for $1.2 Million. 5 Bedrooms, 6 Bathrooms, 6 Bedrooms, custom Jacuzzi tub, gym area with sauna and is only a few minute walk to hiking trails and the homeowner`s beach.
Lawrence Cane, if Selling Real Estate were an Olympic Event, would win Gold. He must have sold a shitload of real estate to enable him to rent himself a Condo in Sth Lke Thoe's Presidio Heights. And when Happy Larry ceases to be Happy, he impulsively decides to spend another large sum to secure the Condo in the next street over because money is no object to the extremely successful Realtor Mr Happy Larry Cane, now Happyily residing in McFaul Way after Ponderosa's personal beach at his front door became monotonous.
I mean Sandy you said his neighbours stated that they didn't really know what Cane got up to as he was kind of a loner who always kept his curtains/drapes closed or drawn. He'd probably moved and the neighbours didn't know lol.
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Kane
Oct 4, 2014 17:17:39 GMT -8
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Post by Zamantha on Oct 4, 2014 17:17:39 GMT -8
Great research on Kane! Thank you WC & Sandy!
Most interesting!
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Kane
Oct 5, 2014 7:15:40 GMT -8
Post by WelshChappie on Oct 5, 2014 7:15:40 GMT -8
Great research on Kane! Thank you WC & Sandy! Most interesting! Zam* Zam! Where have you been hiding over the recent few Months? I've told you three times now Zam that I get awfully lonely when I am ignored. :-) Anyway, to be serious for a moment, you see the application for a requested name change above that Kaye submitted? Do you know what type of request this is, is it simply a standard Name Change Via Depol Request? The confusion for me is the Document's Title which states that it's an "Employee's request for change in records." I mean I don't know for sure but I assume that a citizen is not referred to by the State as an Employee? So just wondered if you might possibly be in a position to know what and where this application originates? The form asks 'Reason for requested change of name' and Kaye answers " Beneficial for employment in my field." Well what Job could he be doing that a change of name would be of benefit to that position? I've never ever heard of someone changing their name officially because of their job and the benefiting factors of it. Have you? |
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Kane
Oct 5, 2014 8:01:27 GMT -8
Post by WelshChappie on Oct 5, 2014 8:01:27 GMT -8
I realised something yesterday that I had previously overlooked. The last communication from Zodiac is disputed to this day, many believe his 1974 praising of recently released movie 'The Exorcist' as a wonderful satirical comedy is his final letter, other's believe that he wrote a final letter in 1978 in which he informed citizens and law enforcement "I am back with you."
Firstly, we can establish beyond a reasonable doubt that Zodiac had, at least once, written a letter on the anniversary date of one of his previous attacks. Specifically, he wrote his apparent plea for help to Attorney Mel Belli on December 20, 1969 which is obviously the one year anniversary of Betty-Lou & David Farraday's double murder on Lake Herman Rd. So we know, beyond question, that Zodiac has marked the anniversary of a previous murder he committed by writing a letter to, in this case, a prominent Attorney.
Yesterrday while checking my Kane themed Webpage for message I caught sight of the date on which Dana Lull was abducted from Red Rock Canyon in Las Vegas. She was kidnapped at gunpoint on April 24th, 1974 while her companion in the vehicle with her, Roy Tophigh, fled in terror. Well you probably know where I am going next with this.... The 1978 'I am back with you' letter was posted on April 24th, the anniversary date of Dana's abduction. Now I can feel the fingers of the critics itching to refute this theory/possibility I bring up here & are poised ready to point out two facts to discredit such an idea by stating firstly that, as mentioned at the start of this message, the 1978 letter is highly disputed as to it's authenticity as a genuine Zodiac letter and secondly, they will point out that Kane was never even officially suspected in, let alone charge with, having any involvement in Dana's abduction and subsequent murder. And I would completely agree that both claims are correct, and I therefore will acknowledge them in advance.
However, Below is Roy Tophigh's description of the vehicle driven by Dana's abductor:
"A White Convertible Sports Car. Black cloth top. Wire Spoke Wheels. Chrome luggage rack on trunk. Missing grill. Old California Licence Plate."
Kane's vehicle at that time...
A White 1966 MG Convertible Sport Car with Black Cloth Top and Wire Spoked Wheels. It had Chrome Luggage rack on the trunk, and a Missing Grill. It also ran on an Old California Plate (TDY274).
Roy Tophigh's description of Dana's abductor matches Larry Kane. Dana's lifeless body was later found discarded in disused mineshaft on Mountain Springs Road in San Bernardino County, CA. At the time, Lawrence Kane resided on Spring Mountain Road in Las Vegas, NV.
Chalk it all up to a simple run of coincidence after coincidence? Up to the readers to decide for themselves but for me, I remember the analogy a Detective once used when describing Coincidence and Circumstantial evidence when he said: "One or two pieces of Circumstantial Evidence can be explained away as simple coincidence. When you have circumstance after circumstance after circumstance that all point in one direction then it stops becoming circumstantial evidence and becomes simply 'Evidence.'
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Kane
Oct 8, 2014 19:09:34 GMT -8
Post by WelshChappie on Oct 8, 2014 19:09:34 GMT -8
Hi hun, just found what I believe to be Kane's family listed in NY. I was looking at the application below and the more i looked at it, the more his Father's name looked like Moses. This one:  So i decided to search that name. Found Morris H Klein, Alias Moses Klien Found a Moses Klein with relatives Sarah Klein & Lawrence B Klein:  What you think hun, you think that's him? |
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Kane
Oct 24, 2014 9:06:48 GMT -8
Post by Sandy on Oct 24, 2014 9:06:48 GMT -8
From everything that I have found in the past on Kane, this is absolutely his parents. But it is the first time I have ever seen his middle initial ( B) . My guess it is the B is for Benjamin , his mother’s maiden name.
You are the first one to find that he used Kaye for one of his AKA’s. I don’t remember Harvey mentioning that name? I still feel he is the best of the suspects for at least Donna Lass’s disappearance. Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you, but I have been very busy with investigating another suspect for someone else.looking at his handwriting , the L is very Z like.
Keep up your great work !
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Kane
Oct 25, 2014 19:33:55 GMT -8
Post by WelshChappie on Oct 25, 2014 19:33:55 GMT -8
From everything that I have found in the past on Kane, this is absolutely his parents. But it is the first time I have ever seen his middle initial ( B) . My guess it is the B is for Benjamin , his mother’s maiden name. You are the first one to find that he used Kaye for one of his AKA’s. I don’t remember Harvey mentioning that name? I still feel he is the best of the suspects for at least Donna Lass’s disappearance. Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you, but I have been very busy with investigating another suspect for someone else.looking at his handwriting , the L is very Z like. Keep up your great work ! Well for whatever reason, Vallejo PD refer to the suspect as Larry Kaye. This now seems odd because its Harvey Hines who went to Vallejo to present them with his evidence & suspect & therefore must have known his name was Kaye & Kane was an alias and is suspiciously silent about this name Kaye. Maybe Harvey kept referring to the guy by his assumed alias because Kaye had not been officially charged at the time nor was even an official POI. Maybe Hines knew that using the mans real name when referring to him in public would likely render him open to legal action by Kaye for damages. Referring to him always as 'Kane' is legally sound because that's simply an alias he uses & not who he really is. Only other reason I can think of why Hines never said anything about his name 'Kaye' is possibly he was told not to by Kaye's 'Handlers' at the FBI if he was an informant as has been suggested previously. He did apply for a name change from Klein to Kaye citing his reasons for wanting the name change as 'Beneficial to my employment' which could mean 'Used my name Klein to help FBI & now need new Identity due to the level of danger from the people I helped convict' kinda thing. That's maybe where the 2nd SSN. he was issued comes into play & how he got to have it. Maybe Hines was aware he was an informant & couldn't publically link his name Kaye to alias Kane because he's a targeted man after helping the FBI? Vallejo PD asserted they had found Kaye in possession of a forged Driver Licence, which they say is a Felony and state if his prints cannot be located via traditional means such as finding them on file somewhere, they will use Kaye's possessing of a fraudulent licence to arrest & get his prints that way. Well it doesn't seem as though they got them from another County's index but mysteriously they didn't report following up on the plan to arrest Kaye either. It's only a crime, felony or not, if he got hold of it via illegal means. If the FBI gave him the ID under the witness protection act then that is not going to get him arrested.  |
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Kane
Oct 26, 2014 20:51:34 GMT -8
Post by Ricardo on Oct 26, 2014 20:51:34 GMT -8
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Kane
Oct 26, 2014 21:04:59 GMT -8
Post by Ricardo on Oct 26, 2014 21:04:59 GMT -8
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Kane
Oct 26, 2014 21:34:28 GMT -8
Post by Ricardo on Oct 26, 2014 21:34:28 GMT -8
In my opinion, it seems odd that he was arrested so many times from 1946 to 1968.
Are there any records of him being arrested after 1968?
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Kane
Oct 27, 2014 18:41:35 GMT -8
Post by WelshChappie on Oct 27, 2014 18:41:35 GMT -8
There you go see, my point exactly. It depends on the informant him/herself & what type of people they are able to inform on & what the information itself is worth. If, for example, the informant has knowledge or evidence on a Higher Up in one of the Crime Families then while that informant is working with the FBI to gather evidence, the FBI will protect this most valuable of assets & source of intelligence by any means necessary. I know there will be many that won't agree with this idea & even though the very thought of this may be alien to you & I, there are many out there even in Law Enforcement that will let ego, reputation & their own promotion take priority over & above everything else.
What's a couple of homicides where the victims are nobody of importance when you can get yourself promoted along with your colleagues all over the Country hearing about your great work?
This concept to me personally is, if I may borrow A quote from Z, "Deplorable at best." My conscience simply would not allow for me to even consider such twisted & selfish reasoning, but many other's don't have to concern themselves with conscience because they don't have one, which is good for the sinisterly intent because guilt & remorse also go out the window when no conscience is present.
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Kane
Oct 27, 2014 22:13:06 GMT -8
Post by WelshChappie on Oct 27, 2014 22:13:06 GMT -8
In my opinion, it seems odd that he was arrested so many times from 1946 to 1968. Are there any records of him being arrested after 1968? ***WARNING: Extended Public Rant coming your way....***
Not alone in that opinion either Rick, this fact of his criminal activities appearing to stop in 1968 is almost always used as an argument against Kane being Zodiac. Personally, I have never understood why . Why? How come? Well....
Let us assume Kane is the Zodiac for the purpose of this post. Do others seriously expect Kane to continue committing lesser crimes like peeping, theft, fraud etc? That just isn't logical and makes no sense at all. I mean you'd have to believe that Kane, aware that his offences are now capital crimes of serial homicide, is going to reason to himself: "Well I know I am a serial killer & California's most wanted man presently, so what I need now do is draw attention of authorities toward myself by going into this store and committing theft of a soft drink for which I will be arrested, placed rite under the nose of them that pursue the Zodiac Killer, and this, I do believe, is a fantastic and brilliant idea!"
See, me personally, the very fact Kane's lesser criminal offending suddenly & abruptly stops in 1968, is a circumstantial fact that supports the idea/claim that Kane is Zodiac. Remember, this is Lawrence Kane, the same Lawrence Kane suffering the side effects/symptoms of A Traumatic Brain Injury to the Left Frontal Lobe of his Brain, an Injury that Psychologists said was the cause of this man recent behavioural activities that they stated, in their professional opinion, was Kane 'Losing the ability to control self-gratification.' Well that's consistent with a person who has suffered a TBI.
Damage to the frontal region, especially the Lobes, will often see the injured person's personality differences, such as becoming impulsive in nature, with impaired impulse control. Also, a desire to involve themselves in highly risky behaviours which is fairly often Criminal in nature. Coupled with this is a disregard for others and a total lack or care for the consequences of ones own actions. It's not a calculated decision to ignore the consequences, they just fail to consider or consciously be aware of the possible punishment for your actions. All these symptoms come under the 'Disinhibition' category of symptoms.
The fact that Kane was officially diagnosed as lacking impulse control and the ability to control self-gratification, which in Laymen's terms means if he finds killing people in order to taunt and ridicule authorities to be pleasing & fulfilling to his self ego, then this is what he will very likely do and to hell with everything else. So, to again make the point of this being 'for' rather than 'against' Kane being Zodiac, here's the question:
How likely is it, do you think, that this man with an officially recognised propensity to act impulsivity & seek to engage in actions he deems to be self gratifying no matter what the may be, just how likely or logical is it after knowing this, that Kane would simply stop committing all criminal behaviours & Turn over a new leaf? Did he wake up one day in 1968 to discover himself cured over-night in some medical miracle? Pre-Crash & TBI he had some sort of impulsive control, yet committed crime after crime, and now when Frontal Lobe Impairment via Traumatic Brain Injury is added to this sinister personality, we should expect him to now, knowing he now has almost no impulsive control & will just do whatever he deems to be self pleasing, now we'll maintain that his record of arrest suddenly ceasing is absolutely consistent with the former diagnosis? Really? Please explain! Has logic & reason conspired with common sense & all have packed up and gone to another Planet to live?
The way I see this sudden halt in his minor criminal activity is simple & for a man in Kane's mentally impaired condition, also seems to make perfect sense. Kane, up to & Including 1968, has been satisfying urges by committing every increasing act's of lower level crime now for several years until this just doesn't do it for him anymore. Now his urges are spiralling out of control & are now insisting and demanding he commit homicide as a necessity that will, in turn, present the opportunity to write to The Chronicle and tell them how absolutely fantastic he is and tell them Blue Meannie Lot that are charged with capturing him they have no chance at al of that happening due to how pathetically stupid and grossly inept these idiots are compared with their antagonist who it gratifies tremendously to brag to saying 'You inferior Pigs shall never catch me because I have been too clever for you.'
'Needling the blue pigs' IS the gratification his ego demands of him. He probably almost felt Divine to give police the middle finger and say: "PS, Two cops pulled a goof about 3 mins after I left the cab. I was walking down the hill to the park when this cop car pulled up and one of them called me over & asked had I seen anyone acting suspicious in the past 5 - 10 mins.' He ends by essentially saying "Hey Blue Pig, I was in the park while you lot were trying to mask police siren's by using Fire Truck siren so that I wouldn't panic knowing police were coming. So tell me, Mr pig, what is it like to have me rub your face in your own stupidly pathetic failure to realise what stood illuminated in your prowl car's headlights on Oct 11. You could have caught me even after this if you had parked up & waited for me to emerge from my isolated hiding place. But, once again, your simply to stupid & inferior to realise it."
Zodiac himself said, 'BOO - But, then, why spoil the game? You are Doomed!' Why would Kane spoil such a great game by finding himself under arrest charged with a nothing offence of 'Theft of biro pen from front desk of hotel lobby?' Why commit such petty stupid crime that no longer gratifies you anymore due to your new hobby and self invented, 'Zodiac Killer?' Why get arrested in some bushes peeping into someone's window watching them sitting down watching TV when this arrest could lead to the discovery of him being 'Zodiac' in numerous ways such as the cop arresting & transporting him to jail is none other than SFPD Patrol Officer Don Fouke? He has seen this face somewhere before and when he realises where from, it's Game Over.
Then, you see, I would be able to imply that upon his capture, Det. Dave Toschi went on the Six O'clock News & said: "Oh Dear, Mr Crack-Proof Zodiac is in custody, so FOUKE-you Lawrence!"
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Kane
Nov 11, 2014 18:38:39 GMT -8
Post by WelshChappie on Nov 11, 2014 18:38:39 GMT -8
Sandy Klein's middle initial B could be representative of the name 'Benjamin' the same as his Mothers, but I think it's more than likely his middle name is 'Barton' because he gave his name as Lawrence Barton one time when he was arrested.
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