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Kane
Nov 17, 2014 17:23:57 GMT -8
Post by Sandy on Nov 17, 2014 17:23:57 GMT -8
That is true Barton might be correct. I did know that he used the name Barton, because that was one of the names Harvey gave me, as well as Williams. When I went to VPD just before Harvey did, they told me the picture I had looked like Larry Kane from Lake Tahoe.
If he was a FBI informant, then I wonder why he was arrested for having that black box which allowed him to make free phone calls?
Last night I watched a great DVD, that was given to me at the last Task force neeting.
On it , it had Darlene's other sister Linda saying that the man who killed Darlene was Larry Kane.I was there when she said that and she said the picture I had was a picture of Kane. I believed her, but the problem is that Kane is now dead, the man in my picture is not.
He was buried "Cane".
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Kane
Nov 19, 2014 7:16:50 GMT -8
Post by WelshChappie on Nov 19, 2014 7:16:50 GMT -8
So much about this man is not right. Official Birth Name: Klein. Officially Lived in S.F as: Kane. Died and officially buried as: Cane.
I tell you what I did read about not too long ago and I didn't look into it a great deal and came away kind of confused because I myself am not Jewish so don't understand it. But it seems that, from what I could gather, it's quite a common practice for Jewish people to use variations in the spelling of their Family Name . As for the man in your photograph, if you could somehow find someone who knows or knew that man in your photo & knew him quite well then you could use what is available to us in regards to Kane to confirm or disprove that the man pictured is actually Kane. What do I mean by use whats available? Well, the FBI file I obtained on Kane, as your aware, states that 'The' Lawrence Kaye/Kane has a scar on his forehead (in all probability the result of the operation to repair his damaged skull after the vehicle accident) and also has a scar on his wrist. Now altering your name is one thing, even altering your appearance is pretty easy, but altering your physical scars and marks is quite another, in fact, not possible (barring something drastic like plastic surgery.)
But my opinion is that, based on the fact that the FBI sent me all of Kane's files and arrest history, Kane is certainly dead. If he weren't, the FBI & DOJ would be committing a criminal offence by releasing his personal files and arrest record to me as a non-relative of the man.
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Kane
Nov 20, 2014 10:08:16 GMT -8
Post by Sandy on Nov 20, 2014 10:08:16 GMT -8
I show his picture to everyone I am in contact with, almost everyone says: I have seen him ,but I don't know his name. One guy in Vallejo who worked at Home Depot, said that the man in my picture is in construction,because of the things he was buying.The picture I took of him, looks like he was dressed for construction and the gray dust on his knees , shoes and hands tells me he worked in concrete or cement.
It would be something if he was in fact Kane, but he would have had plasic surgery done to make him look 15 to 20 yrs younger than Kane. My suspect by the way ,has pretened to be Kane in one of his phone calls to me. So I am sure he reads my posts.I do have his DNA, hand print and hand writing.It is too bad I can't get it checked againest Zodiac's, other than the writing that I am told ,is to much like the Zodiac's to be his ?
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Kane
Nov 20, 2014 10:12:05 GMT -8
Post by Sandy on Nov 20, 2014 10:12:05 GMT -8
Don't you think that the military should be contacted about him being buried under a fake name? He didn't finish his tour of duty either.I say get him out of there ,to make room for someone who diserves to be buried there!
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Kane
Nov 29, 2014 0:24:58 GMT -8
Post by WelshChappie on Nov 29, 2014 0:24:58 GMT -8
But to be serious about who I think Z most likely was, my web-page gives a subtle hint in it's Title of: "LAWRENCE KANE - ZODIAC KILLER!" The clue is in the Lawrence Kane bit lol. My page can be found via this link: welshchappie.wordpress.com/
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Kane
Nov 29, 2014 0:54:12 GMT -8
Post by WelshChappie on Nov 29, 2014 0:54:12 GMT -8
Don't you think that the military should be contacted about him being buried under a fake name? He didn't finish his tour of duty either.I say get him out of there ,to make room for someone who diserves to be buried there! I don't think he is buried under a false name or alias to be honest Sandy. I think he either legally change it again (as he had in the past, the evidence for which can be seen here:
I think, based on him using the name 'Cane' in every post 1980 written files or documents found regarding him, that he was legally called 'Cane' the entire time he resided in Lake Tahoe, NV. He was legally sued for $5,000 by a disgruntled client of a Tahoe Marketing company Cane was working for. His name post the late 70's it seems was legally 'Cane.'
I was speaking to Destry the other week, Harvey Hines son, and he told me that he strongly believes that his father, Harvey, "Got the right guy" in Kane as the person responsible for the Z crimes. I suppose some would say Destry is going to say that because it's his Dad that championed this claim for many years but He said while also telling me he personally wanted to put The Zodiac as far from his mind as possible because Destry told me he had read some of the things written on a certain site that was hurtful to him & his Father's memory. He told me He gave everything that his Father had compiled on Kane and/or Zodiac to Ed Rust several years ago.
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Kane
Nov 29, 2014 10:24:17 GMT -8
Post by KJ on Nov 29, 2014 10:24:17 GMT -8
Read the stuff on Kane. Interesting. Hadn't read an awful lot about him before, although I'd seen the name bandied about. He seems an interesting POI prima facie. I guess the writing is seen as the main hurdle. He does kinda look the part, especially the somewhat slicked-back hair/pompadour look (as described by Mageau) in the San Mateo mugshot. The change of cars is interesting.
I didn't quite understand the relevance of this paragraph:
"Zodiac also sent a letter in which he quoted ‘Ko-Ko’, a character from the Gilbert & Sullivan Opera ‘The Mikado’. “As some day it may happen (sic) that a victom (sic) must be found. I’ve got a little list. I’ve got a little list, of society offenders who might well be underground who would never be missed who would never be missed.” Ko-Ko was ‘The Lord High Executioner of Titipu – The Highest Rank A Citizen Can Obtain’. This may also explain why Zodiac wore an executioners style hood and costume at Lake Berryessa."
Is that just re-emphasizing (rather obliquely) the "citizen" aspect? That one seems a bit of a stretch.
Also, the Vallejo police seem rather to be going beyond the direct evidence in claiming that the Zodiac sent a cipher saying his name was Kane, he's Jewish and he was born in 1924. Who what where now? Did they really say this??
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Kane
Nov 30, 2014 20:52:44 GMT -8
Post by Sandy on Nov 30, 2014 20:52:44 GMT -8
KJ ,As far as I know it was Robert Graysmith that said the my name cipher clearly showed "My name Kane". Harvey Hinds may have told VPD about the cipher.
When I showed the picture I have of my suspect in 1990, VPD told me he looked like Larry Kane. I don't know if Harvey went there before or after me?
I met Harvey in March of 1990 and took the picture I have of my suspect in Aug. of 90, it was shortly after that, that I showed it to VPD. That was the same year Harvey spoke to Kathleen Johns and showed her a picture line up.
I believe it was after K. Johns ID'd the same picture as I did , that Harvey took that information to VPD.
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Kane
Dec 2, 2014 9:00:21 GMT -8
Post by WelshChappie on Dec 2, 2014 9:00:21 GMT -8
Read the stuff on Kane. Interesting. Hadn't read an awful lot about him before, although I'd seen the name bandied about. He seems an interesting POI prima facie. I guess the writing is seen as the main hurdle. He does kinda look the part, especially the somewhat slicked-back hair/pompadour look (as described by Mageau) in the San Mateo mugshot. The change of cars is interesting. I didn't quite understand the relevance of this paragraph: "Zodiac also sent a letter in which he quoted ‘Ko-Ko’, a character from the Gilbert & Sullivan Opera ‘The Mikado’. “As some day it may happen (sic) that a victom (sic) must be found. I’ve got a little list. I’ve got a little list, of society offenders who might well be underground who would never be missed who would never be missed.” Ko-Ko was ‘The Lord High Executioner of Titipu – The Highest Rank A Citizen Can Obtain’. This may also explain why Zodiac wore an executioners style hood and costume at Lake Berryessa." Is that just re-emphasizing (rather obliquely) the "citizen" aspect? That one seems a bit of a stretch. Also, the Vallejo police seem rather to be going beyond the direct evidence in claiming that the Zodiac sent a cipher saying his name was Kane, he's Jewish and he was born in 1924. Who what where now? Did they really say this?? Well I didn't write the Memo that was sent to the FBI regarding Kane, I simple re-post it as it is in its original form so that it is not just me writing it on my site without reason or grounds to do so. Is it Vallejo PD simply sending the FBI this memo & info therein full of wild speculation, educated guessing & their own interpretation of the 'My Name Is' Cipher? Possibly. It's also just as likely that they Harvey Hines gave the Vallejo PD this interpretation of the Cipher Code & VPD sought a second, more qualified opinion on how accurate this possible decoded message was. I mean do Law Enforcement Agencies submit documents to the FBI requesting their assistance & help in an investigation & do this by submitting A Memo. full of wild speculation & claims for which they have no grounds to make? You'd have to ask Cpt. Conway or the people who were working with him back then in order to get a definitive answer. One Quote in the very same document you refer to does make a statement that implies VPD had followed up on at least one of Hines Claim & found it to be accurate. That's the comment declaring: "Investigation has placed Kaye in the locals where several of the Zodiacs victims either lived or were killed." That's stated without any hint of speculation or uncertainty. It isn't offering "Investigation has placed Kaye in the locals where several of the Zodiacs victims either lived or were killed.... We think." The 'INVESTIGATION' has been conducted, showing the resulting outcome. So by this comment, it seems that VPD didn't just take Hines at his word & that, as the wording suggests, they did so based on findings after they investigated the claims.
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Kane
Dec 5, 2014 19:04:47 GMT -8
Post by Sandy on Dec 5, 2014 19:04:47 GMT -8
I know that Ed Rust liked Kane as a suspect in the Zodiac crimes. I think he is the best suspect for missing Donna Lass that is for sure !And for Dana Lull in Las Vegas.
I would like to see papers showing that he changed his name to Cane legally. He broke the law so many times, I don't think he did much of anything legally. I wonder how we could check that out for sure ? What name do you think he used when he went into the military ? We could try to get his DD214 ? We have his ss number and I guess his real birthdate ? Ny is one of the hardest places to get information from, I tried yrs ago to get his birth information in NY.
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Kane
Dec 7, 2014 12:28:51 GMT -8
Post by WelshChappie on Dec 7, 2014 12:28:51 GMT -8
I know that Ed Rust liked Kane as a suspect in the Zodiac crimes. I think he is the best suspect for missing Donna Lass that is for sure !And for Dana Lull in Las Vegas. I would like to see papers showing that he changed his name to Cane legally. He broke the law so many times, I don't think he did much of anything legally. I wonder how we could check that out for sure ? What name do you think he used when he went into the military ? We could try to get his DD214 ? We have his ss number and I guess his real birthdate ? Ny is one of the hardest places to get information from, I tried yrs ago to get his birth information in NY. Well in regards to the first part of your reply of " I would like to see papers showing that he changed his name to Cane legally. He broke the law so many times, I don't think he did much of anything legally." I would agree that he didn't seem to do much legally but it's one thing to be arrested under a false name, quite another to be sued for $5,000. The court would require proof that 'Larry Cane' is the Defendant. Could he have given false details & got away with it in a court? Don't know. "What name do you think he used when he went into the military ?" No idea. My educated guess would be either 'Klein' or 'Kaye'.
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Kane
Dec 9, 2014 8:38:18 GMT -8
Post by Sandy on Dec 9, 2014 8:38:18 GMT -8
I have changed my name a few times without doing it lawfully and nothing has happened to me because of it. As for the military, they want your birth cert. as proof to who you are and from what I understand, it has to be your birth name.
If you use a name long enough, all papers will show that name ,Betts is not a legal name. I am sure some of you are thinking OMG she is telling all of us her name is not legal ? I am not worried about it, so lets see if anything happens to me because of this post.
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Kane
Dec 17, 2014 8:13:14 GMT -8
Post by WelshChappie on Dec 17, 2014 8:13:14 GMT -8
Your not Zodiac by any chance are you? I must say that you don't resemble the Presidio Sketch a whole lot hehe.
Well this is the virtual online World, my name is not 'WelshChappie' either, you can use whatever name you like here, real or fictious.
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Dec 18, 2014 8:54:58 GMT -8
Post by Sandy on Dec 18, 2014 8:54:58 GMT -8
Your not Zodiac by any chance are you? I must say that you don't resemble the Presidio Sketch a whole lot hehe. Well this is the virtual online World, my name is not 'WelshChappie' either, you can use whatever name you like here, real or fictious. I look like that only when I do my thing LOL. If I was a male , I would be at the top of the list of suspects, because I lived and worked in Vallejo/Napa in 1969, hung out in S.F. Dated the same cop Darlene went out with ,have every article on Zodiac, maps of the areas and had the killers costume and many other things left by him in my car at the end of Sept 1969. Clothes line that was used at Lake Berryessa, was the same as what I had missing in Napa the summer of 69. Whoever took it left some behind, so it would match up to what was used , is my guess ? My writing I was told was so close to Zodiac's, that I had to write out a whole page to prove I was not the writer for Zodiac . It was a SF PI who was working with me on the case, that told me LE said my writing was a lot like Zodiac's. Something that not many know , is that Zodiac had a odd way of sealing his envelopes, so when LE received any Letters , it was easy to know which was which. When Toschi was thought to have written a couple Zodiac letters, it is my guess that these letters had the Zodiac's strange seal. LE knowing that Toschi would have known about the sealing of the envelopes, it was thought he could have done them, but he didn't write any "Zodiac" letters ,there for those letters had to be from Zodiac. It has been mentioned that Zodiac may have copied my writing LOL, no joke.
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Kane
Jan 13, 2015 5:28:57 GMT -8
Post by WelshChappie on Jan 13, 2015 5:28:57 GMT -8
Well the seal may have been unique but you could tell a Z letter & envelope in a pile of 1000 non Z Envelope's. If it's double stamped & has the request: "Please Rush to Editor!" then you can be fairly confident it's penned by Z. I find it interesting that he writes this with a polite request starting with 'Please' rather than simply 'Rush to Editor' ' In almost all other instances when Z want's something done, he doesn't politely request it, he demands that they do what he want's & issues violent threats to go on murder sprees if his demands are not met. "I want you to print this cipher on your frunt page. . ." followed by threats if this is not done. "Must print in Paper" he insists regarding his claim to have been stopped & let go by SFPD 3 mins after he left the cab. It's just interesting to me that when it comes to requesting his letter be speedily delivered to the desk of the Editor he asks in such a polite way. There is nothing stopping him, should he wish, demanding: "Rush to Editor! If you do not do this I shall pick off the editor as he comes bouncing out of the SF Chronicle building!" Just tell's me that this man in his everyday life probably speak's well & would probably be described as a well mannered & very polite man who, as we know from The Testimony of Nancy Slover, was fairly softly spoken. "Zodiac" - The gobby & outspoken mouth piece was the mans alter-ego who the man behind the Alias did not just create the Zodiac Persona, but became Zodiac in every sense when he laced up his Wing-Walkers, pulled the Navy Blue Zipper jacket on & loaded his 9MM. I think he in his mind did not just play the role or part as a fictional creation for the one night, but when he hailed Stine for example, he became the Zodiac & his day to day identity was discarded for the duration of time taken doing his thing. That's in my opinion, anyway.
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