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Post by Sandy on Jan 25, 2015 11:59:05 GMT -8
I don't think that we can assume every Larry Kaye news paper article are the same Larry Kaye from NY, because there were more than one about the same age from NY who were not him.
I did notice on the rap sheet, that they knew they had the correct Larry Kaye, Kane Cane Barton, because they used "fingerprints" to compare to each arrest and name. So they had his prints ,why wouldn't they use those to compare to Zodiac's ?
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Post by Galaxie500 on Jan 25, 2015 12:37:05 GMT -8
I don't think that we can assume every Larry Kaye news paper article are the same Larry Kaye from NY, because there were more than one about the same age from NY who were not him. I did notice on the rap sheet, that they knew they had the correct Larry Kaye, Kane Cane Barton, because they used "fingerprints" to compare to each arrest and name. So they had his prints ,why wouldn't they use those to compare to Zodiac's ? Sandy - The Larry Kaye in the article WelshChappie posted was arrested on June 16, 1952. This is congruous with one of the dates listed on Kane's rap sheet. I suppose it could be a coincidence, though I personally don't give much credence to that suggestion.  (Brooklyn Daily Eagle. June 17, 1952.) |
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Post by Sandy on Jan 26, 2015 9:42:14 GMT -8
I believe that some of the articles are the Larry Kane aka Kaye, just not everyone of them. The ones that are a match to the rap sheet have to be him . But as I said, that because of other Larry Kaye's around the same age from NY, we can't assume that they are all him.
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Post by Galaxie500 on Jan 26, 2015 12:31:16 GMT -8
I believe that some of the articles are the Larry Kane aka Kaye, just not everyone of them. The ones that are a match to the rap sheet have to be him . But as I said, that because of other Larry Kaye's around the same age from NY, we can't assume that they are all him. Your point is well taken. When I emailed WelshChappie the articles, I was careful to omit any references that I couldn't verify as having appertained to the 'correct' Larry Kaye. There were three other Larry Kayes living in Manhattan at the time, all of whom I've looked into. The only other person by that name who fit the necessary criteria (connections to show business, etc.) was Danny Kaye's older brother, Larry Kaminsky (alias Kaye), and he would have been too old to be the individual referred to in any of the previously posted articles. Some additional newspaper snippets for those of you who are interested:  (The Schenectady Gazette. June 24, 1952.)  (The Long Beach Press-Telegram. June 23, 1952.)  (Herald-Journal. August 29, 1946.) |
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Post by Galaxie500 on Jan 26, 2015 12:54:04 GMT -8
Galaxie500, Nice find , Harvey must have given me the wrong information, because I was writing notes as he told me about Kane. Kaye doesn't make any appearances in the New Orleans papers until 1958, so Harvey may very well have been correct. |
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Post by Sandy on Jan 27, 2015 11:10:03 GMT -8
I still don't understand why the arrest picture did not look at all like all of the other pictures of Kane ? That is the one that I say is not Kaye, but is the man I got away from in 1968.
That man is still alive today. Could he really be another man with the name Kane , or did he just use that name ?
Kaye/Kane's accident I think took place in 1962 ?
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Post by Galaxie500 on Jan 27, 2015 13:22:19 GMT -8
I still don't understand why the arrest picture did not look at all like all of the other pictures of Kane ? That is the one that I say is not Kaye, but is the man I got away from in 1968. That man is still alive today. Could he really be another man with the name Kane , or did he just use that name ? Kaye/Kane's accident I think took place in 1962 ? Just finished reading your thread. Creepy stuff. I'm still searching for information on Kane's accident. If I find anything, you'll be among the first to know. |
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Post by Sandy on Jan 27, 2015 20:34:17 GMT -8
I still don't understand why the arrest picture did not look at all like all of the other pictures of Kane ? That is the one that I say is not Kaye, but is the man I got away from in 1968. That man is still alive today. Could he really be another man with the name Kane , or did he just use that name ? Kaye/Kane's accident I think took place in 1962 ? Just finished reading your thread. Creepy stuff. I'm still searching for information on Kane's accident. If I find anything, you'll be among the first to know. Thank you for reading my thread, it gets better when I get through the 90's, that is when most of the missing pieces start to fit together. So keep checkig for the updates. I looked in the SF papers for a 1962 car / cement truck accident, but never found it. I hope you find it ! |
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Post by WelshChappie on Jan 28, 2015 6:29:29 GMT -8
Kane's appearance seemed to change as often as his Name, in the majority of photo's ive seen of him he looks different each time. Case & point . . .    'The' Larry Kaye/Kane/Cane that I have the arrest record for is most certainly the correct person because when petitioning the FBI I did so by requesting the arrest record for Kane & also stated I would also request any & all documents pertaining to his being a suspect in the Unsolved Zodiac Killer case from the late 60's in San Francisco. And I added proof of death (which is required for the release of documents) in the form of this link to his obituary on Northern Nevada's Veteran Memorial site: www.locategrave.org/l/3693261/Lawrence-Cane-NV The FBI, before releasing any personal files on a person, will check with the US Dpt. of Justice to ensure that the person is deceased so that the Privacy Act/Law no longer is in effect & the files can be released. There's no question in my mind that the photo's above are 'The' Larry Kane, especially the photo in the centre. In it, Kane's facial paralysis on the one side due to his Brain Injury is clear to see. He is only able to smile on one side of his face, most noticeable is this on his mouth. His left eye only seems to squint with the smile slightly, the right eye remain static & as it would be when he isn't using the muscles in his face to smile. |
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Post by WelshChappie on Jan 31, 2015 15:59:40 GMT -8
Well it hasn't escaped my attention that in many of these press articles Kaye is described as 'Handsome' as seen in this feature below: Just reminds me of the description the three girls gave of the man they saw watching them at Lake Berryessa: "Around 40 years of age, good looking. . ." The three girls said he was 25 to 35 , over 6 ft tall and drove a ice blue car like a 1966 Chevy ,which could not have been Zodiac's car, unless he had another smaller car that he could use that day. I say this because of the inside tire measurement of the killers car, which was parked behind Hartnell's car, that had the shoe prints leading to that smaller car. So unless all three of thoses girls were wrong in the car's discription as well as that man, he could not be the killer. I believe that the dentest and his son did see the killer that day. Their discription was closer to what we know. Larry Kane/ Kaye was not a tall man either, his size and age fits Zodiac, more so than a real tall heavy man, who was able to lose almost 100 # in time to kill Paul Stine two weeks later. Being that we know for sure AKA Kane ,Cane,Barton, Kaye used different names , he could have used his friends Kay's name, more so than his friend using Kaye's name. Those two sized suspects ,will always make me think of two different killers. Zodiac was probably a handsome man, I know my suspect was/is. When ever I show the picture I have of one of my suspects , the females always say what a good looking man he is. If it wasn't for is love of killing, I probably would have been attracted to him myself. Sandy the Girls said the male they saw watching them was Approx. Forty years of age hun. Here's the proof in black & white: Click image to see larger version....  |
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Post by Galaxie500 on Feb 6, 2015 11:42:11 GMT -8
 (Freeport Daily Review. August 27, 1949.)  (The Albany Times-Union. August 27, 1949.)  (Freeport Daily Review. August 31, 1949.)  (The Utica Daily Observer. November 29, 1949.)  (The Utica Daily Press. June 19, 1950.) |
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Post by Galaxie500 on Feb 6, 2015 14:09:30 GMT -8
 (The Hendersonville Times News. June 11, 1952.)  (The New York Times. 1952.)  (". June 17, 1952.)  (The El Paso Herald Post. June 17, 1952.)  (Pacific Stars & Stripes. June 19, 1952.)  (The Elmira Star Gazette. June 26, 1952.)  (The Schenectady Gazette. July 07, 1952.)  (The Philadelphia Inquirer. July 16, 1952.)  (The Utica Daily Press. July 31,1952.)  (The Utica Daily Press. January 26, 1954.) |
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Post by Galaxie500 on Feb 6, 2015 14:32:11 GMT -8
Being that we know for sure AKA Kane ,Cane,Barton, Kaye used different names , he could have used his friends Kay's name, more so than his friend using Kaye's name. That's another (and probably more likely) possibility. There's also this:  (taken from the San Antonio Express. April 30, 1952.)
Same guy?  (The Long Island Journal. April 21, 1952.) |
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Post by WelshChappie on Feb 8, 2015 7:31:07 GMT -8
(The Schenectady Gazette. July 07, 1952.) (The Utica Daily Press. January 26, 1954.) Galaxy, glad you posted that short crop 2nd piece, I've suspected for a long time now & stated several times that I believe Kane was a Criminal informant. |
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Post by Ricardo on Feb 9, 2015 0:30:13 GMT -8
Yes, it does seem suspicious that “New York police had arrested Kaye three times before, but each time the charge was dismissed.” |
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