Larry Kaye Article, NY NY

This is the same suspect that most see, and have even told me outright themselves, as a boring and mundane person/suspect. This is a classic example of basing an opinion on hearsay or pre-conceived notions. If they actually looked into Kaye's history and background, they'd find he's anything but boring. Mixing with the rich & famous, drives extravagant cars, dresses acentric & demands trials by Jury when accused of resisting arrest.

This need to be noticed and the center of attention sounds like another personality that wrote many letters calling himself 'Zodiac.'

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Sandy -

Did Harvey ever mention the names Rosemary Williamson or Ethel Marie Brown?

Rosemary Williamson was a Broadway showgirl who gained some minor notoriety in the late ‘40s and early ‘50s. In February or March of 1951, she became embroiled in a scandal involving a textile salesman and small-time swindler by the name of Sid Levy. I've appended an article regarding this incident to the bottom of my post. After leaving Manhattan in 1952, she allegedly changed her name to Marie Newell (similar to ‘Newall’) and continued to pursue a career as an actress and fashion model. This would coincide rather well with Kaye’s apparent predilection for the company of chorines and other ‘theater’ types. It’s probably just a coincidence, though.

While I was searching for a copy of Kaye’s divorce certificate, I stumbled upon a listing for a New Orleans marriage license issued to “Lawrence Kaye” and “Ethel Marie Brown,” dated December 1959. Kaye’s divorce with Marie Newall/Newhall wasn't finalized until March 1960, so the marriage license presumably refers to a different Lawrence Kaye. We do know (from his rap sheet) that Kaye was an adulterer - I suspect, though I could be mistaken, that “Barbara Grantham” (see below) was the woman with whom Kaye was having an affair. Maybe you could ask Destry about that?

"This would coincide rather well with Kaye’s apparent predilection for the company of chorines and other ‘theater’ types. It’s probably just a coincidence, though."

Depends if you believe in coincidence or not I suppose, but worth further research on the off chance i'd say.


The thing with Kaye, Klein, Kane......Larry, is that while we can't obviously say there is any physical evidence or blatant smoking gun to incriminate him for Zodiac (which goes for all other suspects in the case because if any physical Evidence were found to link any of them, they would have been arrested and likely charged with the crimes), there is nothing that exonerates Larry that I have ever found (trust me, I've tried to find anything that could) which, for me, is where he differs from the other top 3 or 4 suspects.

Gaikowski: Personal Friend and Colleague of GAIK, Robert 'Bob' Loomis, is in no doubt Richard is not Zodiac as he knows that Gaik was in Albany, NY when Zodiac was busy doing his thing on Lake Herman Road. He doesn't just ask you to believe his word at face value, he has evidence in the form of letters sent to himself from Gaikowski from late 68 sent from Albany, NY. Next....

Arthur Allen: Despite R. Graysmiths best sellers, his suspect and subject of his books, Art Allen, has been all but eliminated as innocent of all claimed charges after his Prints, handwriting, palm print and DNA all did not match that thought to be Zodiac's.

Rick Marshal: On his death bed was asked by Ken Narlow if, now that he cannot be held accountable in this life for possible crimes, he cared to admit to anything, namely, the Zodiac crimes? Marshall told Narlow that he has absolutely no reason now to deny it if he were guilty as he had months at best left to live. He looked Narlow square in the eye and told him "I have a clear conscience about that Ken, I had nothing to do with that series of crimes (Zodiac).

See now Darlene Ferrin and Mike Mageau were thought to be out at BRS that night waiting to meet someone to buy drugs. Leo, Dee's brother, is said to have admitted years after the fact that Darlene and Mike were out to score weed that night, and not Fireworks as they told cops. This would obviously explain Dee flashing her headlights while there at the location to signal someone that it was her. I imagine that if they had arranged to meet someone there for a drug deal, Dee may have suggested the golf course parking lot as the meeting place on Columbus Parkway and the dealer likely alluded to the fact that there were other vehicles there to which Dee likely said she'd flash her headlights to let the person know that it was her.

If that is the case, the person must have been either waiting close by, lived close by, or had pulled up and flashed his lights first and Dee responded.

Anyway, the drug angle has been suspected in this encounter for a long time, so has Lake Herman Road but to a lesser degree. Kane certainly either used drugs, or at the very least, knew others who sold them.

I been thinking about why Klein Changed his name to Kaye also and I think it's ego. The saying goes 'You can tell a man by the company he keeps.' Well, we know from previous articles you've posted that Kane both knew, and associated with, some of the rich and famous. I think Lawrence Klein decided that he wanted a piece of that front page lifestyle also and decided that 'Larry Klein' wasn't 'Hollywood' enough and he changed his name to Kaye/Kay, a name that was already associated with several famous people of that era.

 Hey Sandy, that is one of the frustrating things I have heard many say over the years, that being: "Kane had brain damage, therefore he would not be capable of creating the ciphers or to plan the murders such as Zodiac did."

 'Brain Damaged' is not a term recognized by neurologists in the actual professional diagnosis of a persons brain injury.

 To use an analogy, To described Kane as suffering from having Brain Damage is like saying Kane is suffering from a virus. Virus is just a general term for a range of different bacteria that can invade the human body. If I said So-an-so has a virus, I could mean anything. There are over 100 common cold strains of virus alone. 
 
 Thirty Years ago when science didn't know what we know today, Brain Damage was a commonly used term in Brain Injuries, but we have come a long way since those  days and Brain Surgeon's and Neurologists have a better understanding of the vast complexity of the brain's structure. As such, if you were to ask a Neurologist or a specialist in Brain Injuries if Frontal Lobe Damage impacts upon a persons IQ or Intellectual capacity, they would tell you No. 

 The Frontal Lobes have so many functions from Controlling a persons Speech and Language to Motion and Movement of the body's limbs. The number one symptom seen is a complete personality change. However, if a persons IQ pre Frontal Lobe Injury is 140, then that persons IQ after Frontal Injury will still show a score of 140.

 As for Z planning these murders, bull shit. How is that even possible? How can you plan to stab a young couple at Berryessa if you have no idea if any couples will be out there alone that day. Thats probably why so many witnesses reported seeing a man walking around the area for hours before the attack. He has planned this so well he's wandering around searching for a suitable place and couple being seen by everyone. Some planning!
 Then we have Paul Stine. Z walks down Cherry st and has planned this crime so well that he doesn't know or has forgotten that Cherry has the same walk-through entrance onto the grounds of the Presidio that Maple has. But no, the planning machine has planned this all in advance, he will not deviate! He stuck to his meticulous, detailed plan so well He walked straight into the headlights of Don Fouke's Patrol Car. *Applause erupts.* Great pre-planning Sir Serial Looney-Bin, that's if you planned to do your best to get arrested on the night.