I thought I'd post this. It's wonderful. Really worth watching.
Has Gareth Penn seen it? Any thoughts?
I've seen this previously being a fan of de-bunking sceptic James Randi. His exposing of con artists such as the vile Peter Popoff (Rip-Off as I refer to him) is a noble and ethical thing. How Popoff came back from this and is once again annually turning over a 6 figure income for his 'Ministry' is absolutelty enraging. Anyway....
Yes, this case more so than any other has a lot of folk seeing what it is they want or expect to see. An example I often use is the person on Tom V's site chat room than informed me Kane cannot be the Zodiac and when I asked why not got the response "Because He is too boring."
It's about balance. If someone makes an assumption or has a theory about Zodiac based on absolutely nothing other than 'Because I said so' then these should, more often than not, be dismissed out of hand. When I have a theory about Z, or maybe make an assumption about him or a scene for example, I will always have a basis or reason I can point to to show why I assume it. The diffrence between the two ways of comming to a conclusion on a crime scene, a suspect or whatever it is, is quite clear and I think if you can show good reason why you have assumed something, people will give it far more credibility.
There is an old ''chestnut'' of a joke in Britain,that goes along the lines of : ''If you need a engineer,look up the phone directory,under ''B'' for ''Boring''.''
Ironically,I think that is Zodiac,to a tee.The fascination with the contents of his letters,has actually more to do with the thought that this man actually did carry out some of his threats,and did actually kill some of his claimed victims.His letters,in the cold light of day,are monotonous and tedious ramblings of a confused man,desperate for recognition of his self-perceived many talents.Clearly,someone who was perceived by others as dull....and boring.
We should not confuse this man with someone that didn't have some intelligence and education - he almost certainly did,but I believe he struggled with articulating himself,in the real world,in a manner that might hold people's attention for very long.He understood irony [...which probably makes him either Texan or English...I can hear the jeers,already [!]...] - but putting anything across,that ''entertained'' his fellow man,was an ability beyond him.
In his letters,Zodiac believed that he ''came alive'',but couldn't quite make a connection with other's interests being because they were curious to experience what it might be like to be ''Mad as a Hatter''.
Zodiac was no artist - he was just desperate to convince us of his ''all round'' talents - like so many engineers and ''do-ers'' of applied sciences,they lack the ''charm''....but they can spot a ''science philistine'' at a thousand paces.Zodiac was no ''science philistine'' - he knew one or two things,in this respect.
A true story : Frank Sinatra watching Dean Martin,notices that Mr.Martin has his audience in the palm of his hand,after telling a particular joke.''Frank'' afterwards badgers ''Dean'' to let him have the gag.''Dean'' reluctantly agrees.Next night ''Frank'' tells the gag....and it ''bombs''.So,''Frank'' asks ''Dean'' what was wrong with ''Dean's'' gag.Exacerbated,Dean Martin replies : ''How many times have I told you,Frank - you're NOT a funny man !!''.
Post by WelshChappie on Oct 5, 2015 12:16:35 GMT -8
Well I always point out that I don't claim to be correct all the time, even though I quite clearly am always correct I feel it is important one doesn't make this overtly obvious.
"That is just theory!" Many have barked at me. I reply that yes it is only theory, but because it is one put forward by myself this automatically means it is 99.9999999% likely to be accurate.
Se I think it is important to always appear grounded and not at all arrogant and egocentric. This is why I only allow myself the 99.99999 potential to be correct as I feel 100.00% may give the wrong egocentric impression. y friends are always telling me they fear I am far too humble and introverted, and I reply to them: "Quite! Quite! I am aware of this my old chaps."
This is why I never tell anyone "Your wrong and I am not!" without first saying: "With all due respect..."
I certainly agree with a little acknowledged social etiquette.
In pursuit of the absolute truth,and handicapped in the knowledge that law enforcement hold advantages over ''us'',it is unlikely that ''we'' will often find ourselves in positions of ''conclusive proof'' [?].
What is really important is that we continue to dip our toes in the water,and ''engage'' with one another.''Truths'' don't always come about through ''majority consensus''[...ironically,I immediately start considering jury verdicts....] - but it certainly assists establishing ''likely outcomes''that materialized in the past - which can propel us forward in solving ''the whole bang shoot''.
Perhaps at this point,I may be audacious enough to say to fellow members : ''Take a leaf from WelshChappie,and Ricardo,who has clearly invested much time in creating this website.Don't sit back like lemons - start ''engaging'' - it doesn't matter whether you are 10% right,or 90% wrong - whether you state categorically,or merely speculate.''Debate'' and ''Contribution''is what matters [?].
The more ''talking heads'',the better [?].Hey,and I know who you members are,that are spies for the larger websites.Shame on you for giving your lucid best to them,and seeing this website,as a ''quiet little backwater''.
As I have intimated before - this is where it is going to happen !
Rubislaw32: see HMIC about this - OK ?
Jan 28, 2020 6:17:56 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Thanks 525307 CO
Jan 25, 2020 6:43:03 GMT -8
Sandy: RandolphCarter: all victims different horoscope signs. Darlene Ferrin born on cusp of Cancer and Leo. Sorry but Darlene was not born on the cusp Cancer and Leo, she was born under the cusp of Pisces and Aries. Her birthday is in March not July.
Jan 24, 2020 19:06:47 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Thanks for the Blackfoot Alphabet tip , Guest 123 .This could be of interest , with the Z148 cipher text . Given a link to the Karl Werner murders , Z148 is likely to be Zodiac authentic . Nice spot .
Jan 11, 2020 6:53:53 GMT -8
Guest123: Most of the people murdered have double letters in their name. Is it a coincidence? Is it deliberate?
Jan 10, 2020 22:05:39 GMT -8
Guest123: Look at the Blackfoot alphabet. Some of the letters look like the symbol in one or more of the cyphers.
Jan 10, 2020 21:50:26 GMT -8
Handyman: ricardo; if the watch is as a compass and the math addad , 36/42 or between its centre 40/41 would or could this also be used at the geographical end of the puzzle , I heard the trick is to find his north ? seeing as the numbers are a key. dvk
Dec 19, 2019 7:55:37 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Apple Florez extends her apologies to all members,at this site,for her insults,and regrets that she was frustrated,at the time of posting.[refer : Kenneth Lester German ]
Sept 11, 2019 18:02:21 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Belli defended murderer Jack Ruby
Sept 1, 2019 15:28:14 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: "This thing in me wont let me" Z wasn't nuts, he knew truth.
Sept 1, 2019 15:27:39 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: It is worth it to look at subsidies received by the Lykes Steamship Co since the foundation of the Maritime Administration and notice all of those extra digits. I believe I've made my point and will digress.
Sept 1, 2019 12:58:42 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Is there wisdom in stopping someone trying to fix the world? Would our research be better spent on JFK, RFK, Bugliosi, and all those states down in the Caribbean we know nothing about?
Sept 1, 2019 12:56:57 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Was Goldcatcher thought up to catch greedhounds?
Aug 30, 2019 13:14:18 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Were there any significant astronomical events of 2019 Zodiac would have observed? What were his thoughts on the Ultima Thule Flyby? Randolph Carter smiled to himself in the Strange High House In The Mist that night and thought of sunken Uralia.
Aug 30, 2019 13:13:19 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: The irony of reward money is there must be a world left to spend it in. How deep does Zodiac go and will there still be a bank to go to? The clear headed researcher must remind himself of this.
Aug 30, 2019 13:09:05 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: David Farrady born under Libra killed under Sagittarius. Paul Stine born under Sagittarius killed under Libra.
Aug 30, 2019 11:33:42 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: all victims different horoscope signs. Darlene Ferrin born on cusp of Cancer and Leo.
Aug 30, 2019 11:30:59 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Just how many scandals were kept secret by the zodiac remaining unsolved?
Aug 29, 2019 20:32:15 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: How many Paul Tates were there and did Blaine ever meet Gutierrez Mannoyo?
Aug 29, 2019 20:31:15 GMT -8