AP HAS given Qvale's name. He gave it to Butterfield in 2005 but told him not to tell me. Butterfield was on the phone to me five minutes later. My friend Jim had to wrestle it out of him in 2008...but he confirmed again that it was KQ had had spoken to. He also gave it up in 2011 to another researcher.
BTW, this whole flap about the 340 on Tom's site is very interesting to me. The passage that Z wanted so desperately for the Chron to print had to do with him disappearing into the park. In that 340 character passage, he mentions twice that he went into the park. He also says it another time in that 11/9 letter. I have always felt that "He doth protesteth too much" and wanted to reinforce the visual image of him slipping into the park because he didn't want anyone to get an idea that he actually lived in PH.
Therefore Qvale would not have mailed Stine’s shirt.
I can say, after a recent conversation with Michael Butterfield, that He did speak to Armond via Telephone "around Nine years ago" and stated Armond made several contradictory statements and statements Butterfield called "Bizarre." I did not ask, and he did not say, if Kjell was named as the man he encountered on Oct 11 at or near Jackson & Maple Intersection.
"And in regards to the Auto-Import Supremo Mr Q, I did not know Myself until sometime last year that ABC Documentary Crew had taken Mike Rodelli and His claims serious enough to feature Mike R on their documentary and referred to His suspect only as a Prominent and successful Businessman from San Francisco, who obviously wasn't named by/on the Documentary for legal reasons.
However, on that same Docu, the Producers had approached The 'Businessman' for His response to the allegations made by Rodelli, which Kjell replied saying it's simply absurd. Kjell was then asked would He be willing to supply ABC with His DNA which they would then test against Un-Subs DNA partial profile discovered sealed behind the stamp on an known, authenticated Zodiac envelope? Kjell said "Sure" and gave then His DNA.
Now the fact that Kjell had done this freely, of his own choice, without Warrant or Court Order to obtain it, led Me to conclude, before I heard the result officially, that He did not contribute the DNA that was found on that sticky-side of a stamp affixed to the Oct 13th 'I am the Murderer of the Taxi Driver' letter, thus certainly a Zodiac Letter because of the swatches of Paul's shirt accompanying it, and almost certainly the DNA of the Letter Writer as it came from an affixed, air-tight/sealed underside of a stamp that would have required the sender to lick before applying. It dramatically decreases almost to zero possibility that the DNA itself may have been deposited by Cross-Contamination means also, because again, it's sealed and air-tight.
The DNA was cross checked and an interview with the actual lab tech that carried out the testing was conducted on the Documentary for Kjell and Two other suspects, Kjell, like both other suspects, was ruled out conclusively as the person that had deposited the DNA. In short, Test conducted, Result found: Negative, non-match!
This for Me, this was enough to focus my attention elsewhere and move on from K.Q as a suspect. I am the first to criticise other's who have, upon discovering their suspects DNA didn't match Un-Sub's, respond with "Zodiac killed the people, another person wrote the Letters..." or as I like to call this, 'Clutching at Straws' so I hold my own feet to the flames when it comes to the standard reached as to the acceptance of evidence and conclude therefore: 'Let's move on'"
There is much ignorance of the facts in this post. However, years and years ago I realized that God did not put me here to correct everyone's misconceptions about my research. After years of doing this and hearing those mistakes repeated over and over again after I had corrected them I finally just let it all go and took solace in the fact that I can't educate everyone lurking around this case as to the facts. That decreased my stress levels considerably and I am much happier now that I gave up my efforts. My suggestion is this: Read my book. I address all of this in it...plus a whole lot more.
Post by WelshChappie on Dec 12, 2018 14:27:34 GMT -8
Ok Mike maybe instead of simply asserting I'm misinformed or my post about Qvale and the ABC show and DNA testing Are wrong or presented inaccurately in my post above, maybe you'd care to say why and how I am grossly incorrect in specific detail and the evidence you have that will back up your claims as to how and why I am posting inaccurate information.
I'm happy to recant Michael, upon production of your showing evidence Showing why I am wrong.
Rubislaw32: Black Power salute. Another example is Rock n' Roll legend Jerry Lee Lewis who introduced his 13-year old bride to the British press (1958). A third is the case of FBI Director James Comey, who offered the Crown Office the stolen casefile of Joan Webster.
Dec 7, 2023 2:29:46 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: There are certain things the US establishment will never forgive of their own citizens. One of which is embarrassing their nation (USA) when overseas. One example is US Olympic 200 metres champion Tommie Smith at the 1968 Mexico Olympics, who gave the...
Dec 7, 2023 2:25:28 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Moreover, a misconception that Donald Trump played Brutus to Comey's Caesar. No, no, no... Brutus was US Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein - Trump's ''Mr Peeps'', who had been parachuted in by US Attorney General Jeff Sessions - specially for the job.
Dec 7, 2023 1:33:38 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Perhaps I should point out (?) that the most influential agency in this whole sorry Z-tale is the US DOJ, with over 100,000 employees, run by the US Deputy Attorney General. But, everyone is capable of failing to reach further than they are able to grasp.
Dec 7, 2023 1:13:51 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: going to put away their childish and Z-case-defeating games or not, will decide for me what I elect to do myself (as a law-abiding citizen). And, if it means naming further players in both LE and politics, then that will happen also. LE, QUIT effing about.
Dec 6, 2023 19:38:59 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: A guest has made the astute observation that if the Zodiac dies, without having been brought to justice - then the FBI could freely continue to paint the Zodiac's (false) narrative. Well, once I know whether US DOJ, MA DOJ and Crown Office are actually....
Dec 6, 2023 19:32:44 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: It's difficult to assess whether William Grant was aware that he had been rumbled for his Z-fatherhood. Lafferty was given special dispensation to know that Grant had ''failed'' a Zodiac DNA match. But, allowed to disclose this, once Grant became deceased.
Dec 6, 2023 18:23:03 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: From Grant Thornton, forensic accountant: ''Time markers mutating aside, a father and son will have the exact same Y Chromosomes.''. For the other 50% of a son's DNA, these X Chromosomes are inherited from a son's mother. CA DOJ's W J Grant Z-bombshell ?
Dec 6, 2023 17:01:04 GMT -8
Rub--law32: For the Zodiac case, we should all be in ''Pam's corner'' regardless of anything else. And right now, it is CA DOJ and loyal CA PD's who are showing themselves up as wanting what is right and proper. As for the rest ? There is much that leaves desiring.
Dec 5, 2023 18:10:49 GMT -8
Rub--law32: One can't expect much from outfits as FBI in this life. And, it is to Richard Nixon's credit that he was turned down. But the judiciary ? Talk about ideas above their station. Probably compare themselves with brain surgeons as important people ? Think on.
Dec 5, 2023 17:38:42 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ''Does that mean that Zodiac's and Grant's DNA is 40% identical ? '' . Yes Lyndon, and you can add another ten percent besides. The imperfect, eccentric and noblest of gentlemen, Lyndon Lafferty. You were the greatest and most tenacious bloodhound of all.
Dec 5, 2023 16:47:14 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Superb ? As a consequence, 81 year old Kit Harrisson was found guilty of Brenda's murder, July 14th 1978. From re-investigation to conviction this year, it had taken 8 years of hard work. Harrisson's mistake ? Masturbating beside Brenda, after killing her.
Dec 5, 2023 7:49:30 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Scottish residences for Z ? Although tenuous to some, The Scotch Tape Letter alluded to Brenda Page, 5 days following her brutal murder in Aberdeen. The ''facts'' are that Z's main motivation was to humiliate Dave Toschi with the letter. Mistake for Z.
Dec 5, 2023 7:43:23 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: And yes, the unsaid is likely the case: The ring-fenced 5 Bay area murders have always presented difficulties for a conviction with confidence. Comey ''ruined'' Joan Webster's case - so Emma's case might be the only chance left to secure a Z-conviction.
Dec 5, 2023 6:23:38 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: But, as I have made the point to a guest: ''You have to have the evidence.'' - a convenience Catch 22: He's not Zodiac without convicted of being so. Originally, Mulholland was juggling BOTH Z and Pan Am Lockerbie. The latter prioritizing the former, now.
Dec 5, 2023 5:53:01 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Barged ? Well, time has moved on and a fresh conviction for Pan Am Lockerbie beckons. Emma's case is being fobbed off with a false solve (inferred), because it's in the way. A high chance it is Z's last one, and that he is still alive, residing on UK soil.
Dec 5, 2023 5:37:42 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: More particularly, the times Z spent near Inverness, Aberdeen & Glasgow respectively. At least that was the justification for David Cameron originally financing Frank Mulholland, anyway. But, appears like Emma is being barged by Pan Am Lockerbie, now.
Dec 5, 2023 5:24:06 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: the scandal was barely UK national news, as Comey's dismissal became ''World news''. A serious point is, that Crown Office solved Brenda Page & Renee MacRae (and hoped to solve Emma Caldwell), based on Z's residences in various parts of Scotland.
Dec 5, 2023 5:15:54 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: One could look at the Zodiac case from a UK perspective, in the last 9 years: The dismissal of James Comey became a consequence of what started as ''The Police Scotland Spying Scandal''. But, so few knew the reality, even in law enforcement circles, that..
Dec 5, 2023 5:10:24 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: The reality for Dave is, that he now exists to perpetuate the myth of an honest solve - if only to spare his own blushes. Or, until ordered otherwise - or even arrested by legitimate LE agencies involved in the case. Defeating the ends of justice, Dave O.
Dec 4, 2023 11:46:23 GMT -8