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Post by WelshChappie on Sept 14, 2015 14:16:16 GMT -8
I certainly acknowledge the last two posts from WelshChappie and Ricardo. It catches me in a slightly uncomfortable position,since I ''may well'' know more information than I am willing to divulge - merely at present,for it is never my intention to dangle,particularly Zodiac enthusiasts,on a piece of string. Regarding the FBI MEMO - I don't know,but I am strongly skeptical of it's authenticity of content.In many ways,Ricardo has provided strong reasons for suggesting this,with it's ''plagiaristic'' aspects related to some of Zodiac's written words. I am more preoccupied with what angle of subterfuge or ''fishing'' that Federal Law Enforcement are up to....since,they are known to come up with ideas to procure certain information,or eliminate questionable knowledge,on occasion.If we assume that most of official Zodiac investigations,these days,are taking place ''from behind a desk''-one might ask ''Where is their chief source ?''. The answer often lies not a million miles away....here,on the Zodiac websites. " since I ''may well'' know more information than I am willing to divulge." Well if that really is true, then with the greatest of respect RubIsLaw32, just don't say anything hinting at this in the first place because all that does is do one of two things: 1) Suggests that you don't have any extra info or 2) You may have something that has been told to you but you fear that releasing this info will quickly see the people who can fact check claims and evidence look into your information and come back with proof that it's incorrect. This is nothing peronal R you just happen to have engaged in a pet hate of mine, that being and for example, a friends status on Facebook boasting " Ohh my God I can't believe the news that I just got about someone who we all know! Absolutely speechless!" And when asked the inevitable question of ' What news and about who?' they reply ' I can't say, I'm sorry. Been asked by my source not to tell anyone.' These people are just your average attention seekers. :-)
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Sept 14, 2015 16:49:13 GMT -8
I know,I know....I shouldn't really be saying such things [...as I ''may well'' know...].
Funnily enough,I don't think it fits into your two suggested categories,WelshChappie.There is another member of this site who will probably give you a ''nod'' soon.
It will be posted here soon,anyway - and there ''may well'' [!] be brickbats hurled in my direction.
In the meantime,will find a little hiding place.
Apologies to all.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 6, 2015 23:29:59 GMT -8
In examination of the ''340'' solution,I find it interesting to note that,the message imparted by Zodiac has,in some respects,been divided into two halves.
It may just be the way Zodiac elected to compose his message,but what becomes apparent is that,the first half focuses on employment of the ''present participle''.With the second half - the ''future participle''.
Allow me to illustrate thus :
'' I LIKE killing people because it IS so much fun it IS more fun than killing wild game in the forest because man IS the most dangerous animal of all to kill something GIVES me the most thrilling experience it IS even better than GETTING your rocks off with a girl the best part of it IS that....''
''.....when I DIE I WILL be reborn in paradise and those I have killed WILL become my slaves I WILL not give you my name because you WILL try to slow me down or STOP my collecting of slaves for my afterlife....''
The only usage of the ''past participle'' appears in the second half : ''...those I HAVE killed..'' - but that refers to the hypothetical consequence of creating slaves for the future.
So,in simple terms,Zodiac's message is all about the present,in the first half - and all about the future,in the second half.
Was it Zodiac's intention to construct a solution that was compartmentalized into two parts,for technical reasons ?
Or,was his composition of ''present status'' of mind,followed by ''future status'' in his perceived afterlife,Zodiac's priority [?]
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Post by Ricardo on Jan 18, 2016 2:16:45 GMT -8
There are many different ideas about the ciphers which were sent by the Zodiac killer. At the Cryptologic History Symposium on Sunday, October 25, 2015, David Oranchak gave a speech about “The Zodiac Ciphers”. The Zodiac Ciphers - What do we know, and when do we stop trying to solve them?David Oranchak’s website is www.zodiackillerciphers.com.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Jan 20, 2016 13:59:34 GMT -8
It is an interesting lecture,Ricardo - with an extra interest,in that a representative of the FBI was present.Though not interrupting proceedings,he did confirm that the FBI had not received the 408 cipher,before The Harden's solution was published.
The Harden's really illustrated that keen amateurs do have a chance - utilizing discipline and industry.Though Oranchak was careful not to patronize,the 408 is generally viewed as ''simplistic''.The Hardens just happened to be the first to take a real interest.The 408's fundamentals do lie in the Elizabethan beginnings of modern day codes [...about 400 years ago...].These first forms of modern ciphers even influenced the creator of the word game ''Scrabble'' - particularly with respect to the points tariff on each letter,according to frequency in the English language.
For anyone who might struggle to get through a lecture of this nature - do not despair.David Oranchak is really giving pointers as to how the 340 might be approached,given observation found in the 408.Sometimes this sort of advice might only confuse the amateur.But what is particularly apparent is that Zodiac was clearly mindful of how quickly the 408 was solved.He would be sure to make the 340 not so easy - and probably ended up confusing himself [!].
I keep the 340 close at hand,believing I have solved about 33% of it - it may be completely soluable,in terms of a ''lucid'' and entirely meaningful message.But probably on the basis of guessing all of Zodiac's basic mistakes,and accounting for the possibility that not all character translations are ''one to one''.The ''gist'' of his message in the 340,as I see it,is more one of general commentary regarding the investigations into his crimes...not the ''infantile'' gibberish of the 408.
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Post by Ricardo on Jan 21, 2016 0:35:50 GMT -8
It is an interesting lecture,Ricardo - with an extra interest,in that a representative of the FBI was present.Though not interrupting proceedings,he did confirm that the FBI had not received the 408 cipher,before The Harden's solution was published. The Harden's really illustrated that keen amateurs do have a chance - utilizing discipline and industry.Though Oranchak was careful not to patronize,the 408 is generally viewed as ''simplistic''.The Hardens just happened to be the first to take a real interest.The 408's fundamentals do lie in the Elizabethan beginnings of modern day codes [...about 400 years ago...].These first forms of modern ciphers even influenced the creator of the word game ''Scrabble'' - particularly with respect to the points tariff on each letter,according to frequency in the English language. For anyone who might struggle to get through a lecture of this nature - do not despair.David Oranchak is really giving pointers as to how the 340 might be approached,given observation found in the 408.Sometimes this sort of advice might only confuse the amateur.But what is particularly apparent is that Zodiac was clearly mindful of how quickly the 408 was solved.He would be sure to make the 340 not so easy - and probably ended up confusing himself [!]. I keep the 340 close at hand,believing I have solved about 33% of it - it may be completely soluable,in terms of a ''lucid'' and entirely meaningful message.But probably on the basis of guessing all of Zodiac's basic mistakes,and accounting for the possibility that not all character translations are ''one to one''.The ''gist'' of his message in the 340,as I see it,is more one of general commentary regarding the investigations into his crimes...not the ''infantile'' gibberish of the 408. Often codes are solved by the trial-and-error method, with a combination of educated guesswork and intuition. It is important to have an open mind to consider possible solutions. The Zodiac killer could have changed the content of the message to make it more difficult for anyone to decipher. It is still debatable what was the purpose of the 408. Ostensibly, the 408 explains the motives of the Zodiac killer. The decoded message of the 408 describes how the Zodiac killer likes killing people and wants to collect slaves for the afterlife. The question is whether or not these are the true motives of the Zodiac killer. The 408 may or may not have been a ruse to confuse law enforcement. The 340 may or may not have been a ruse, too. Presumably, the decoded message of the 340 would be consistent with the general perception of the Zodiac killer. If someone has the decoded message of the 340, I hope they will post it on this message board.
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Post by rubislaw on Jan 21, 2016 8:05:33 GMT -8
These are certainly pertinent points made,Ricardo - pretty much covering all aspects of relevant inquiry.
Having what I have in front of me,I hold by my claim that Zodiac's message,in the 340,is one of general comment on aspects of investigation into his crimes.
This differs quite starkly,from the 408,which really amounts to ''simpleton bragging'' - which I interpret as Zodiac ''flexing his muscles'' as a keen amateur in codes.The speed of the 408's solution from The Hardens,probably surprised him,initially.But having incorporated content such as plentiful ''will's'' and ''kill's'',he realized that he would have to up his game,in order to gain satisfaction from having LE and the media guessing.His ego was,perhaps,a little dented [?].
The 340 would not give out so many clues,with regard to initial inspection.In addition,it was important to Zodiac that he be taken seriously - so the 340's content would be more ''adult'' [?].
What I can add,at this stage of my attempt of a solution is that there are ''repeating'' clues - but far better disguised.For instance,I am aware,with confidence,that Zodiac has ''peppered'' the 340 with ''curse's'',''case's'' and ''accuses'' - three different words,that are not that dissimilar.
Further to this,Zodiac has not used the word ''kill'' at all,nor the participle ''ing''.Also,I am of the opinion that abbreviations are employed - something to throw a computer off the scent,that might be keying in to exclusively recognizable words.
Finally,at this stage,I should like to add that there are undoubtedly a catalogue of basic errors made.It does not surprise me that most attempts are,in effect,anagram solutions - ''that'' is often what appears on offer - so the ''solver'' goes with their instincts,instead of looking at other possibilities.There really is little point publishing a solution,unless it is ''free-flowing'',and sounds as if comes from a person - as opposed to a robot [?].
[Posting as a guest - my operating skills are ''basic'']
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Post by Ricardo on Jan 21, 2016 23:35:43 GMT -8
These are certainly pertinent points made,Ricardo - pretty much covering all aspects of relevant inquiry. Having what I have in front of me,I hold by my claim that Zodiac's message,in the 340,is one of general comment on aspects of investigation into his crimes. This differs quite starkly,from the 408,which really amounts to ''simpleton bragging'' - which I interpret as Zodiac ''flexing his muscles'' as a keen amateur in codes.The speed of the 408's solution from The Hardens,probably surprised him,initially.But having incorporated content such as plentiful ''will's'' and ''kill's'',he realized that he would have to up his game,in order to gain satisfaction from having LE and the media guessing.His ego was,perhaps,a little dented [?]. The 340 would not give out so many clues,with regard to initial inspection.In addition,it was important to Zodiac that he be taken seriously - so the 340's content would be more ''adult'' [?]. What I can add,at this stage of my attempt of a solution is that there are ''repeating'' clues - but far better disguised.For instance,I am aware,with confidence,that Zodiac has ''peppered'' the 340 with ''curse's'',''case's'' and ''accuses'' - three different words,that are not that dissimilar. Further to this,Zodiac has not used the word ''kill'' at all,nor the participle ''ing''.Also,I am of the opinion that abbreviations are employed - something to throw a computer off the scent,that might be keying in to exclusively recognizable words. Finally,at this stage,I should like to add that there are undoubtedly a catalogue of basic errors made.It does not surprise me that most attempts are,in effect,anagram solutions - ''that'' is often what appears on offer - so the ''solver'' goes with their instincts,instead of looking at other possibilities.There really is little point publishing a solution,unless it is ''free-flowing'',and sounds as if comes from a person - as opposed to a robot [?]. There will be skepticism if someone provides the decoded message of the 340 which has words and abbreviations which were not used by the Zodiac killer in any of the other messages. Most people probably expect that the decoded message of the 340 will be similar to the known writings of the Zodiac killer. Most people would find it hard to believe if the Zodiac killer did not use the word “kill” nor the participle “ing” in the decoded message of the 340. It would not be consistent with the decoded message of the 408. Maybe this is the reason that the 340 has not been solved for so many years!
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Jan 22, 2016 0:40:25 GMT -8
I certainly take your point,that a ''mark-ed'' change of tact,is questionable [?].But we sometimes overlook the fact,that we are examining a man capable of a cold-hearted vicious streak.One can see,even in individual letters,Zodiac's capacity to change from a ''sorry'' victim of life.....to a confident scoundrel.
I suspect that Zodiac would have reflected,himself,that there were aspects to the 408,that tempted ''derision''.He would be sure to be taken seriously,next time [?].
I do believe also,that Zodiac would have been mindful of LE's possible use of computers,to solve such puzzles.There were some quite powerful computers commissioned,even in those times.The ''cutting edge'' for computer technology was to be found in the Oil Industry [Directional Drilling],who could afford such ''toys'',and were known to lend them out to academic institutions,Law Enforcement,etc.
Just as a ''teaser'',I believe that the ''word'',CAUNILA,is employed in the 340 [University of California,Los Angeles [?]].Not the sort of ''word'' that would be readily recognizable [?].
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Jan 23, 2016 1:29:32 GMT -8
Yes,''CAUNILA''holds firm in the 340.So there may be,at least some ''viewpoint''information from Zodiac,on his ''Riverside activities''.
Sorry to keep everyone guessing,but this website will be the first to know.From where I'm standing,about 50% of the 340's solution is instantly recognizable.Zodiac has made few symbol substitution errors,but ''ordering'' his alphabetic letters has let him down.Hopefully the anagram part will not be too difficult,since those ''band aid'' requirements come in relatively short sections.Apart from near the end of the message,where there is almost two lines to negotiate.
The 340 solution,and another cipher solution [...far more ''explosive''...]will be posted in due course.
But please,do try to bear in mind...the one time Zodiac told the truth : ''I will not give you my name because you will try to slow down or stop my collecting of slaves...''
Only law enforcement and the judiciary can force the truth out of Zodiac - by ''burying'' him in a court of law.
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Post by WelshChappie on Feb 7, 2016 0:22:23 GMT -8
MY NAME IS. . . S A H A R A T A H O E T A H O E S A R A H
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Post by WelshChappie on Feb 7, 2016 1:16:07 GMT -8
People sometimes see whatever they want to see, or what they think they are seeing. Take, for example, this story....
A Ice Cream Business owner decides to Market His business by dressing up as an Ice Cream Cone and standing on the road leading to His shop up the road..... Exhibit A.
Nothing out of the ordinary here, just a man trying to advertise His Ice Creams. However, this is not what several passing vehicles occupants saw when they approached the ice cream cone man and stopped their cars to dial 911 and report to the Police that a Klan member was stood roadside and that the KKK must be in town......
Your Friendly Ice Cream Klan
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Feb 7, 2016 3:31:12 GMT -8
This is an excellent example,and is,on the surface ''hilarious'',were it not be for the more sinister nature of the KKK's true representation.
It immediately made me want to refer readers back to Ricardo's ''Red Phantom 1969'' section,and ''that'' 1969 letter,which appears to incorporate a letter from 1962.Effectively an intriguing possibility that,Zodiac was [partially or wholly] Chicago based - and married.
More particularly the 1969's reference to the ''Clu Clucks Clan'' [...sic,very definitely [!]....].
A ''cluster'' of KKKs do resemble a batch of ''clucking hens'' [?].
Or indeed, a ''bunch of cocks'' [?].
I am not Count Marco.
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Post by WelshChappie on Feb 7, 2016 8:52:39 GMT -8
This is an excellent example,and is,on the surface ''hilarious'',were it not be for the more sinister nature of the KKK's true representation. It immediately made me want to refer readers back to Ricardo's ''Red Phantom 1969'' section,and ''that'' 1969 letter,which appears to incorporate a letter from 1962.Effectively an intriguing possibility that,Zodiac was [partially or wholly] Chicago based - and married. More particularly the 1969's reference to the ''Clu Clucks Clan'' [...sic,very definitely [!]....]. A ''cluster'' of KKKs do resemble a batch of ''clucking hens'' [?]. Or indeed, a ''bunch of cocks'' [?]. I am not Count Marco. "were it not be for the more sinister nature of the KKK's true representation."
Ohh come on, I cannot be intimidated by a group who's leader is called "Grand Dragon" and this Grand Dragon has got a pillow case over His head with two round cut out eye holes.
These comical idiots then tell us why they, the true Aryan White Man, is the true superior race. I meanyou couldn't make it up.
They then salute to Adolph their Hero and I am at perplexed thinking, when are they going to swallow Cyanide like their tash sporting looney tune?
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Feb 7, 2016 9:38:29 GMT -8
Agreed,agreed...
But any group whose history includes arbitrary lynchings and the burning of churches,complete with congregation inside,has a lot to answer for [?].
Perhaps the English Press fare little better in ridicule [?].They are known to sniff the air with suspicion,at the very hearing of the name ''Dolph'',believing anyone with that name must be related to ''The Fuhrer''.And during the quiet summer months,known as the ''silly season'',they will amuse themselves with [genuine]headlines,such as ''Hitler was a woman'' and ''London bus found on the moon''.
It was Chamberline's ''White piece of paper'' that dunnit.Untrusting of a Hun's word,in perpetuity....
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