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May 28, 2014 9:45:35 GMT -8
Post by WelshChappie on May 28, 2014 9:45:35 GMT -8
Always been sceptical somewhat of Donald breaking an encryption that had The FBI Cryptography Dpt. stumped and Naval intelligence scratching their heads and his fete was achieved by deciding 'The first word is going to be 'I' because Zodiac has an ego. Yes Z did, but he started his very first communication to The Chronicle with 'This is the murderer.'
Graysmith then elaborated stating "Then he looked for double symbols, double symbols are important as Double L is the most common double to use and he like to 'Kill.' Well yes, but that's kinda irrelevant because Zodiac didn't just use one symbol to represent one English letter, he used several.
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May 28, 2014 23:41:53 GMT -8
Post by Ricardo on May 28, 2014 23:41:53 GMT -8
You are skeptical somewhat that the Hardens actually solved the three-part 408-symbol cipher.
I am skeptical somewhat that the FBI Cryptography Department and Naval intelligence did not solve the cipher.
Maybe they decided not to announce that they had solved the cipher because they wanted to find out if the Zodiac killer would provide more clues.
Also, it would have been useful to keep the solution confidential because, if necessary, someone could prove he really was the Zodiac killer because he would know the solution.
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Jun 3, 2014 2:44:00 GMT -8
Post by WelshChappie on Jun 3, 2014 2:44:00 GMT -8
The signature is consistent with that of Bettye Harden so for me, she wrote it.
But going back to their solving of the 408 and their rational and reasoning when approaching it. Don started by deciding 'This guy's so egotistical the first word is going to be 'I'" and as luck would have it, he just so happened to be correct! Luck is maybe the wrong word, miraculous is probably more accurate because here are the facts:
The English language is made up, and consists of..... wait for it.... One Million, twenty-five thousand, one hundred and nine words respectfully. So, using a system of random chance and guesswork, the odds that Don, Me, You, or anyone with a capacity to think would guess the one correct word to start the decoding process is 1 in 1.25 Million. Remarkable! See the consequences of that first word/letter being incorrect works on the same principle as getting one number wrong in a Sudoku puzzle, namely, every number/letter thereafter will also be wrong.
I mean this same theory didn't apply to Zodiac's later letters because while he did open with an egocentric declaration of 'This is Zodiac Speaking" he did not ever start with ''I am the Zodiac..."
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Jun 3, 2014 2:52:01 GMT -8
Post by WelshChappie on Jun 3, 2014 2:52:01 GMT -8
I mean I just have to think that if decoding the 408 really were that easy, it wouldn't have perplexed the experts at the Navy & FBI's cryptography Dpt. There's the silly experts using all their combined years of cipher decoding knowledge to get nowhere when Don Harden comes along and shows the professionals how it's done.....Guess you way to victory!
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Jun 3, 2014 3:25:22 GMT -8
Post by WelshChappie on Jun 3, 2014 3:25:22 GMT -8
And if this Cipher's author is this overwhelmingly arrogant, self absorbed egomaniac lunatic then I would have thought that someone having solved his perfect little puzzle would be highly offensive and anger it's author immensely. I would expect that in his next letter he would seemingly have turned into John McEnroe by stating:
"This is the Zodiac Speaking.
You cannot be serious!!! Expert FBI Meannies, no idea. Naval Cryptography and the Country's best of the Best, can't even decipher one line. But just then, some History teacher comes out from nowhere and has totally solved my masterpiece! "
But no, Zodiac sends a confirmation Key to the Ciphers Code to The Chronicle as if he's congratulating Harden on having won his contest beating all others to it first before awarding Don a goldfish for his troubles. So in this instance all this so called ego and his sense of himself along with his codes being 'Crack-proof' dissipates and Zodiac tip's his hat to Don in acknowledgment of defeat.
Why are we all sat around with the 340 remaining unsolved?? All one need do is discover which letter of the alphabet the very first 340 cipher symbol is representative of and we'll have the entire cipher decoded! I'm off to start guessing what word the 340 opens with and may be away for some time with odds against me of 1 in 1.025,109,8 but I laugh in the face of adversary, I am going to guess and guess and guess some more. Be back in 2078 if I'm lucky....TTFN!
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Nov 15, 2014 11:06:05 GMT -8
Post by Guest on Nov 15, 2014 11:06:05 GMT -8
The signature is consistent with that of Bettye Harden so for me, she wrote it.
But going back to their solving of the 408 and their rational and reasoning when approaching it. Don started by deciding 'This guy's so egotistical the first word is going to be 'I'" and as luck would have it, he just so happened to be correct! Luck is maybe the wrong word, miraculous is probably more accurate because here are the facts:
The English language is made up, and consists of..... wait for it.... One Million, twenty-five thousand, one hundred and nine words respectfully. So, using a system of random chance and guesswork, the odds that Don, Me, You, or anyone with a capacity to think would guess the one correct word to start the decoding process is 1 in 1.25 Million. Remarkable! See the consequences of that first word/letter being incorrect works on the same principle as getting one number wrong in a Sudoku puzzle, namely, every number/letter thereafter will also be wrong.
I mean this same theory didn't apply to Zodiac's later letters because while he did open with an egocentric declaration of 'This is Zodiac Speaking" he did not ever start with ''I am the Zodiac..." While "I" is indeed a word in the English language, it is only one of three being ONE SINGLE LETTER. The other two being "A" and "O." And there are only 26 letters. So the "odds" of choosing the correct first LETTER of the cipher are not 1 in 1.25 Million, but instead 1 in 26. What daft logic you favor.
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Nov 18, 2014 20:16:36 GMT -8
Post by Zamantha on Nov 18, 2014 20:16:36 GMT -8
The signature is consistent with that of Bettye Harden so for me, she wrote it.
But going back to their solving of the 408 and their rational and reasoning when approaching it. Don started by deciding 'This guy's so egotistical the first word is going to be 'I'" and as luck would have it, he just so happened to be correct! Luck is maybe the wrong word, miraculous is probably more accurate because here are the facts:
The English language is made up, and consists of..... wait for it.... One Million, twenty-five thousand, one hundred and nine words respectfully. So, using a system of random chance and guesswork, the odds that Don, Me, You, or anyone with a capacity to think would guess the one correct word to start the decoding process is 1 in 1.25 Million. Remarkable! See the consequences of that first word/letter being incorrect works on the same principle as getting one number wrong in a Sudoku puzzle, namely, every number/letter thereafter will also be wrong.
I mean this same theory didn't apply to Zodiac's later letters because while he did open with an egocentric declaration of 'This is Zodiac Speaking" he did not ever start with ''I am the Zodiac..." While "I" is indeed a word in the English language, it is only one of three being ONE SINGLE LETTER. The other two being "A" and "O." And there are only 26 letters. So the "odds" of choosing the correct first LETTER of the cipher are not 1 in 1.25 Million, but instead 1 in 26. What daft logic you favor. Thank you Guest for your post and input. If you like, you can register and post.
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Nov 19, 2014 8:24:00 GMT -8
Post by WelshChappie on Nov 19, 2014 8:24:00 GMT -8
The signature is consistent with that of Bettye Harden so for me, she wrote it.
But going back to their solving of the 408 and their rational and reasoning when approaching it. Don started by deciding 'This guy's so egotistical the first word is going to be 'I'" and as luck would have it, he just so happened to be correct! Luck is maybe the wrong word, miraculous is probably more accurate because here are the facts:
The English language is made up, and consists of..... wait for it.... One Million, twenty-five thousand, one hundred and nine words respectfully. So, using a system of random chance and guesswork, the odds that Don, Me, You, or anyone with a capacity to think would guess the one correct word to start the decoding process is 1 in 1.25 Million. Remarkable! See the consequences of that first word/letter being incorrect works on the same principle as getting one number wrong in a Sudoku puzzle, namely, every number/letter thereafter will also be wrong.
I mean this same theory didn't apply to Zodiac's later letters because while he did open with an egocentric declaration of 'This is Zodiac Speaking" he did not ever start with ''I am the Zodiac..." While "I" is indeed a word in the English language, it is only one of three being ONE SINGLE LETTER. The other two being "A" and "O." And there are only 26 letters. So the "odds" of choosing the correct first LETTER of the cipher are not 1 in 1.25 Million, but instead 1 in 26. What daft logic you favor. "While "I" is indeed a word in the English language, it is only one of three being ONE SINGLE LETTER. The other two being "A" and "O." The FACT is simply this: When one does not know the identity or length of the ciphers opening word, the number of potential words you have to choose from is 1.25 Million. Simple fact that you cannot refute. Now before you repeat 'Yes but there are only several words that consist of a singular letter in the English Language' I want you to tell me what the hell has that got to do with anything? Are you implying that Don Harden approached the Cipher with the belief or idea that "This Ciphers first word will be a singular, one letter word which now gives me a 1 in 2 choice of 'A' or 'I' as the first word"? Is that what your suggesting he did, because it is the only way you approach the Cipher and get odds of one in two of getting the first word correct. He did not do anything of that nature. If we are to believe Hardens account of how he cracked a code that nobody else could then the fact that the first word in the opening line was a singular lettered word, that being 'I', is just a coincidence. He said this mans ego will be responsible for the first word in the cipher being the one word in the English Language that refers to the self, 'I'. Based on Don's own words and comments stating this is how he discovered the first word, the FACT will then be that Don had 1.25 Million words to choose from and hit the correct and accurate one.
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Nov 19, 2014 10:51:08 GMT -8
Post by WelshChappie on Nov 19, 2014 10:51:08 GMT -8
ZAM that wasn't aimed at you, it was at our 'Guest' who's decided he want's to come here simply to inform me of my stupidity. The first word of the cipher could be absollutely anything, and it's just coincidence, and a rather convenient one in my opinion, that the first word of the cipher is a one letter word 'I.'
Don said he based this on the killers ego. Well lets take the letter's accompanying each part of the cipher. Yes, the writer dos tell the Vallejo Times Editor that "I am the killer..." but to the Chronicle he tell's the Editor who's writing by offering "This is the murderer..."
So to say that you believe, based on this mans ego, you can take an educated guess at the first word of the cipher is ignoring that in his boast to the chronicle he said 'This is the..." not 'I am the..." And anyway, to assume that the first letter is I based on the authors ego is to assume the writer is encoding a message about himself. He could have encoded a message about absolutely anything, any number of subjects or topics which had nothing at all to do with himself or his motive for killing.
I am just saying you need to make several assumptions, and have these assumptions be accurate, in order to even decode one letter of the cipher as 'I.' For me, faced with two possibilities of 'Advanced knowledge' & 'Wild Guessing using assumptions' being the more likely answer to 'How did he do it?' I'm going to put my bet on the first of these two options.
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