Post by Rubislaw32 on Sept 18, 2016 0:18:14 GMT -8
An interesting incite,Davb.
I can only presume that any Zodiac related movie,before Fincher's 2007 film,was of little or no merit [?].Some documentaries though,have been ''very good''.
Fincher's film has undoubtedly increased awareness of the phenomenon of The Zodiac Killer.Despite some criticisms,it just happened to be very well made,and deserved its success.
I came across ''Zodiac'' by accident,really.I found myself researching The Santa Rosa Hitchhiker murders,with a possible connection to a murder in Scotland,and his name kept cropping up.It was when I saw his handwriting,that I fell off my chair - and that wasn't the only time [!].
Before that,watching ''Bullit'',''Dirty Harry'',and ''The Streets of San Francisco'' - and the Zodiac connection had never dropped.
It has probably become apparent in the US,that the Zodiac phenomenon has attracted many enthusiasts from the UK.Heaven knows they have had enough serial killers of their own !I sincerely put this down to the letter writing element.I don't believe there has ever been a serial killer,so keen to put pen,to paper.It adds a certain ''mystique'' [?].
I note that Fincher has been approached to make another Zodiac movie.This is not like ''Jaws'' [!] - it would only spoil the 2007 film,which stands up well,on its own,and did not overly sensationalize the reality [?].
Post by Rubislaw32 on Sept 18, 2016 8:15:43 GMT -8
Yes,I suppose there is an element of curiosity,in how film makers might see ways of tackling The Zodiac Killer,as a subject [?].
Naturally,the true enthusiasts would tend to be skeptical [?].Just as with the ''plethora'' of reading material,that finds its way on to the book stands.
It has occurred to me that,taken over the whole piece,the story of Zodiac is perfect for an Opera.''Intro's'' and ''Outro's'' of ''Player's'' and operettas contained within,such as a discreet ''romance'' between Miss Ferrin and Mr.Zodiac [?][!].
Given the knowledge,that I believe I have,it really is a ''Great American Tragedy'',with its roots going back to WW2.
But,back to the known world,the ''industry'' only has to see that 75% of Cinema attenders are under the age of 25,these days - and a smaller percentage of people actually read,on a regular basis.This is bound to influence ''art and culture'',in some ways [?].
Perhaps,the way forward,is Hollywood and Bollywood [?].However,with Hollywood,half the industry is porn movies [!].Whatever next...''This is the Zodiac spanking '' [?].
In researching,I like the concept that we are dealing with a ''time capsule''.One has to put oneself in the period,to get the best out of understanding what was actually taking place [?].
''The Zodiac Killer'' is historical,with ''redemption'' and a ''solution'' still possible.
Rub--law32: For the Zodiac case, we should all be in ''Pam's corner'' regardless of anything else. And right now, it is CA DOJ and loyal CA PD's who are showing themselves up as wanting what is right and proper. As for the rest ? There is much that leaves desiring.
Dec 5, 2023 18:10:49 GMT -8
Rub--law32: One can't expect much from outfits as FBI in this life. And, it is to Richard Nixon's credit that he was turned down. But the judiciary ? Talk about ideas above their station. Probably compare themselves with brain surgeons as important people ? Think on.
Dec 5, 2023 17:38:42 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ''Does that mean that Zodiac's and Grant's DNA is 40% identical ? '' . Yes Lyndon, and you can add another ten percent besides. The imperfect, eccentric and noblest of gentlemen, Lyndon Lafferty. You were the greatest and most tenacious bloodhound of all.
Dec 5, 2023 16:47:14 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Superb ? As a consequence, 81 year old Kit Harrisson was found guilty of Brenda's murder, July 14th 1978. From re-investigation to conviction this year, it had taken 8 years of hard work. Harrisson's mistake ? Masturbating beside Brenda, after killing her.
Dec 5, 2023 7:49:30 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Scottish residences for Z ? Although tenuous to some, The Scotch Tape Letter alluded to Brenda Page, 5 days following her brutal murder in Aberdeen. The ''facts'' are that Z's main motivation was to humiliate Dave Toschi with the letter. Mistake for Z.
Dec 5, 2023 7:43:23 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: And yes, the unsaid is likely the case: The ring-fenced 5 Bay area murders have always presented difficulties for a conviction with confidence. Comey ''ruined'' Joan Webster's case - so Emma's case might be the only chance left to secure a Z-conviction.
Dec 5, 2023 6:23:38 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: But, as I have made the point to a guest: ''You have to have the evidence.'' - a convenience Catch 22: He's not Zodiac without convicted of being so. Originally, Mulholland was juggling BOTH Z and Pan Am Lockerbie. The latter prioritizing the former, now.
Dec 5, 2023 5:53:01 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Barged ? Well, time has moved on and a fresh conviction for Pan Am Lockerbie beckons. Emma's case is being fobbed off with a false solve (inferred), because it's in the way. A high chance it is Z's last one, and that he is still alive, residing on UK soil.
Dec 5, 2023 5:37:42 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: More particularly, the times Z spent near Inverness, Aberdeen & Glasgow respectively. At least that was the justification for David Cameron originally financing Frank Mulholland, anyway. But, appears like Emma is being barged by Pan Am Lockerbie, now.
Dec 5, 2023 5:24:06 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: the scandal was barely UK national news, as Comey's dismissal became ''World news''. A serious point is, that Crown Office solved Brenda Page & Renee MacRae (and hoped to solve Emma Caldwell), based on Z's residences in various parts of Scotland.
Dec 5, 2023 5:15:54 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: One could look at the Zodiac case from a UK perspective, in the last 9 years: The dismissal of James Comey became a consequence of what started as ''The Police Scotland Spying Scandal''. But, so few knew the reality, even in law enforcement circles, that..
Dec 5, 2023 5:10:24 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: The reality for Dave is, that he now exists to perpetuate the myth of an honest solve - if only to spare his own blushes. Or, until ordered otherwise - or even arrested by legitimate LE agencies involved in the case. Defeating the ends of justice, Dave O.
Dec 4, 2023 11:46:23 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Mr Dave Oranchak is welcome to return as a member of this site anytime he pleases. Lots of questions need answering ? I would suggest that his associations with The FIB are over. Groomed, used and paid for. The FIB have no conscience. Fingers burnt, Dave ?
Dec 4, 2023 11:31:05 GMT -8
Rub--law32: Reality TV Dave: ''Look into my eyes, look into my eyes. That wasn't Sam Blake at the Seattle conference. I want you to listen carefully: I did not have social relations with that man Mr Olson. Now, I need to get back to work for Dan and The FIB. 3-2-1.''.
Dec 4, 2023 8:47:57 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: message from Humble: ''I see you are still having no luck catching me.''. Compare with Private Citizens opener: ''I hope you are having lots of fun in trying to catch me.''. Regardless, at some point FBI will have to come clean, as with fate of Donna Lass.
Dec 3, 2023 20:57:46 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...amusing, in a warped sort of way. How was this 8-month simulation project moulded in terms of actual English prose ? One clue on inspiration (even if subconscious) may have come from Yorkshire Ripper hoaxer ''Wearside Jack'' (John Humble). An opening...
Dec 3, 2023 20:47:52 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...Z340 cipher, and ''verified'' by The FIB wing of the FBI, headed by architect of disinformation ''Desperate Dan'' Olson. With its priceless line: ''I am not afraid of the Gas Chamber, because it will send me to paralyse all the sewer.'' - it was quite..
Dec 3, 2023 20:38:04 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Just a week away from the 3rd shameful anniversary of a scoop from SF Chronicle crook Kevin Fagan: The 340 Soda Siphons that shook the world, and uncovered by a trio of international safe-crackers. Better known as a Private Citizens claimed solve of the..
Dec 3, 2023 20:30:52 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: But on to more serious aspects to the Zodiac case in hand: The 21-month holding on remand of neon sign-fitter Packer, facing a murder charge for Emma Caldwell. A month on, and silence from the Crown Office. Kamala Harris & David Cameron are watching now.
Dec 3, 2023 7:58:51 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: And yes - one step on from Z-internet matters is the case of Kevin ''Kickbacks & Fakery'' Fagan. SF Chronicle crime reporter and ''Editor'' for the FBI's FIB, going back to at least Dec 2014. To Kevin my message is clear: ''Please sue me, I want you to.''.
Dec 3, 2023 7:33:59 GMT -8