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Post by BillW on Oct 15, 2018 10:52:48 GMT -8
Mae Brussell read excerpts from a letter claiming that there is a Zodiac connection to the Manson case on her Dialogue Conspiracy program July 14, 1978. The program is accessible for listening at the Worldwatchers Archive website. I was wondering what credence should be placed on this letter?
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Oct 15, 2018 11:51:07 GMT -8
Welcome to ''ZKM'',BillW.
And,a ''thank you'',for bringing up the name ''Mae Brussell'',whom I had forgotten,and now remember that it was she,who first managed to extract some information out of Inspector Toschi,with respect to the murder of taxi driver,Paul Stine.
Toschi was later to retract that information,clearly with his ex-bosses pointing out the terms and conditions,of his police pension [!].
Yes indeed,''Mae Brussell'' who created a niche for herself,as a radio presenter,covering conspiracy claims,which had started with her own work,invested in the JFK assassination.
I will try to examine the contents of the letter,to which you refer.But,from a potted viewpoint.
The whole notion of a Manson connection to the Zodiac case,is largely based around a letter,from May 1978,known as the ''Channel Nine'' letter.
It is claimed to be from the Zodiac,though its authenticity has yet to be confirmed,by the authorities.The letter largely suggests,through inferences and references,connections to the Manson Clan and The Beatles.Personally,I believe it is from the Zodiac...but is ''hitching a ride'' on the back of the newsworthy publicity,that the Manson Phenomenon engendered,at that time.
A regular Zodiac website contributor,Howard Davis,for many years,promoted the theory of a Manson link,to the Zodiac case.But,in recent years,any popular following of that theory,has mostly disappeared.
Although you might note that Manson's right hand man,Bruce Davis,is still ''high profile'' on the Zodiac websites as a suspect,in the Zodiac case,there is no actual evidence that,he was ever an official suspect,let alone ''person of interest'' to the authorities.
But,don't let me put you off,in your own personal investigations [!].
Welcome again.
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Post by BillW on Oct 16, 2018 9:23:40 GMT -8
I am not familiar with the Channel Nine letter, but I will see what Howard Davis has to say. Perhaps it is compatible with what Mae Brussell said. I have taken the trouble to transcribe her reading of the letter. It was originally sent to Judge Charles Franich, presiding judge of the Frazier trial, on November 21, 1971, with a copy going to the Redwood City Tribune. As far as I know the Tribune never printed it. See below:
“The Los Angeles Times of today finally had a story about the trial and murder of the Ohtas and their secretary. You asked if I was certain it was John Frazier who was with Robert [Brussell leaves out the last name]. They were here in Woodland Hills less than a month prior to those killings. He looked exactly like Frazier, when they were arrested, except for one thing. He also wears glasses. About the van, there were two people in the car and it was Robert who was driving it. I do not recall something in the newspaper about that at the time.
I have some reason to believe that Robert was driving north just last Thursday. So if you are observant, you will see him snickering in the courtroom to see how his murders are done and taken care of. He is the man that John Frazier is trying to find at the rear of the courtroom. Does Frazier know about the organization of killers called the International White Guard? Does he fear his wife will be killed if he were to name Robert and his father as being heavy in this honorable organization of killers?
Robert was also identified as the Zodiac by his sister three days before her death. She had read his first message, that was partly coded. I never believed that she committed suicide any more than their brother-in-law was shot down. These two children were witnesses the night of the Tate murders. These are the kind of killers that this state has been cultivating and nurturing.
This particular man, Robert, is 27. Sometimes he lets his beard grow. Within the past two years, I have seen him in all colors and wig lengths. I know him as Robert and also as the Zodiac. In Los Angeles he sometimes waits for me on Ventura Boulevard, driving on my way to pick up some children from school. He follows behind and then moves to the side until he is sure I recognize him. Someone must know how smart he is.
He stays sometimes at Lake Tahoe with his older sister, who is a widow, and belongs to the Sierra Club, which is interested in the misuse of the environment.
This Robert, may I say, has the eyes and fingerprints that should be checked. Also I believe Dr. Ohta must have prescribed those glasses that were lost the night of the Tate murders.
A plea of not guilty by reason of insanity is no defense at all [referring to Frazier], because of the horror of those murders. They should convict everyone who is brought in before the courts. [end of reading of the letter]
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Post by BillW on Oct 16, 2018 10:02:48 GMT -8
I have examined the Channel Nine letter, and what Howard Davis said about it, and I agree with you that it was written by the Zodiac. As to its significance in connection with the letter read by Brussell, I need time to think about it.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Oct 16, 2018 13:58:09 GMT -8
I checked out that radio show,by Mae Brussell,BillW,and the only letter,I believe that she was referring to,was the April 1978 one,which became a ''pawn'',in light of internal investigations,with regard to Inspector Toschi.
The ''Channel Nine'' letter emerged the following month,in May 1978.
Then,in July 1978,a typed letter was received by the SF Chronicle.Though it has never been seen in public,we are aware of its contents.
Those ''three'' letters appear to be the Zodiac's ''job lot'',at that time.
Feel free to post any further questions,and I,and possibly someone else,will do what we can,to assist you,provided we are able.
Any information that you find,that you think would be of interest to readers,at this site,would always be gratefully received.
Good hunting.
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Post by BillW on Oct 17, 2018 15:57:35 GMT -8
The letter I was referring to was not written by the Zodiac, but by someone who knew the Zodiac - a woman who lived in Woodland Hills. The contents of the letter are given above. Do you have any thoughts on the credibility of the letter by the Woodland Hills woman?
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Oct 17, 2018 18:13:21 GMT -8
Though seeming a decent enough potential suspect,one can only presume that,like countless leads,it never materialised into anything of note.
Perhaps you might be aware,BillW,that the FBI carried out extensive forensics lead work,on behalf of the CA DOJ,in 2002/2003,to clear a backlog of suspects,in the Zodiac case.
It's always possible that ''Robert'' made it to that point,as a suspect....but was then eliminated.
Perhaps conjecture,but I have seen reports that suggest,as many as 250 suspects,were cleared at that time.Not just the better known ones,such as Fred Manalli and Arthur Leigh Allen.
In May of this year,a controversial press release,by the Vallejo Police,following the GSK arrest,cast doubt,by inference,on that FBI work.But,and as time goes on,the original credibility of the clearance work,fifteen years ago,is beginning to become,again apparent.
Others may disagree,but it is noticeable that,the number of voice's of claims to the contrary,are becoming less and less.And,the anger and frustration,towards the Vallejo Police,by local residents,is on the increase.
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Post by BillW on Oct 18, 2018 11:00:53 GMT -8
I think that "Robert" still needs some consideration from a forum standpoint. I appreciate your comments, however.
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Post by BillW on Nov 19, 2018 10:42:19 GMT -8
According to Mae Brussell's Woodland Hills informant, mentioned on her programs of 9-21-80 and 9-28-80, the Zodiac killer was Robert Linkletter, son of entertainer and Hollywood celebrity Art Linkletter. He was also the one that lost his glasses at the Tate house. The sister that "committed suicide" was Diane Linkletter and the brother-in-law that was gunned down was John Zweyer. For more information, you may want to check out a new website www.zodiackilleridentified.com
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 20, 2018 11:00:17 GMT -8
Thanks for this information,BillW,which provides answers to a few curious questions,regarding periphery matters to the case of the Zodiac.
The ''Robert'' being Robert Linkletter,also the owner of the pair of spectacles,found at the Tate murders crime scene.With the connection to Dr.Ohta,also,and its probable cause of a rift between Toschi and Armstrong.
Convoluted,but a fascinating read.
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Post by BillW on Feb 22, 2019 10:26:41 GMT -8
Recently I googled Robert Linkletter's name and an odd portrait comes up. The information is correct - that he was the son of Art and Lois Linkletter, that he was born in 1944 and died in 1980, living to the age of 35. Yet the picture of the man does not look like a man in his thirties, but more like a man in his seventies. Very strange. The man has a full head of hair, while the real Robert Linkletter was going bald. The picture links to a website called Discogs, an online music database, and gives information regarding the Cornells, a early 1960s band that he played in, and a sample of his music. If you want to see a picture of the real Robert Linkletter as he looked days before his death go to www.zodiackilleridentified.com
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Feb 23, 2019 15:35:00 GMT -8
An absolutely fascinating article posted,BillW.I would recommend it,for general interest alone.
Personally,I see no ''Linkletter Link'' to the Zodiac case.But only,as in ''as matters unfolded,over time''.
Historically,the link does have pertinence.
I had never heard of the ''Bus of schoolchildren'' abduction before.To think that its primary purpose was ''probably''just to deflect from the rising popularity of Jimmy Carter,as a prospective Presidential candidate,at the time,is ''mind blowing'',given the risks at stake.Namely,the abductors getting caught...not least the well being of the children and bus driver.
What an excellent subject this would be,for making a film.
I always take an interest,when I hear the name ''Mae Brussell'' crop up,in any Zodiac related matters.OK,she wasn't always right....but she ''stirred the pot'' for good reasons.And,there weren't that many,in the 1970's,that had the fortitude to challenge the establishment,over apparent ambiguous information.
Thanks for uncovering this story,with Zodiac related links.
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Post by BillW on Feb 26, 2019 11:13:49 GMT -8
Your reluctance to accept the "Linkletter Link" is understandable given the fact that the source base is pretty slender, namely two women, one of whom is Mae Brussell. On the other hand Mae Brussell in my mind is a solid rock, and if she says something this important, it is difficult to dismiss her.
I think what fascinates me about this "Link" is that it raises many questions regarding possible interconnections among the sensational murders of California at this period of time. Did the Zodiac Killer ever encounter members of the Manson family? Was the strange trip of Manson to Big Sur in early August 1969 and the first appearance of a Zodiac letter a mere coincidence? Why do eyeglasses become important in both cases? Since the Zodiac Killer deliberately misspelled words, why were the words Helter Skelter correctly spelled on the interior door of the Barker Ranch but misspelled at the LaBianca house to "Healter Skelter"? What similarities do we find in the Zodiac murders and the Tate-LaBianca murders?
The bus abduction story is a fascinating case, because the escape of the bus driver and the children was totally unexpected, providing a huge amount of evidence. The case touches on the Zodiac case with the ransom letter in the Zodiac style and also the Manson case with its occult overtones.
Anyway, food for thought, and leads for further study.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Feb 26, 2019 19:10:25 GMT -8
Yes,on the surface,there is no evidence of direct links,between the Zodiac and the Manson Clan,BillW.
But...there are some very interesting links of inferred influence,on the Zodiac,by the ''phenomenon'' that represented the devil's deeds of Manson.
The starting point appears to have occurred,with the Tate La Bianca murders,on the 8th and 9th August 1969.
These murders coincided with the Zodiac discovering that,within a few days of sending his ''408'' cipher to newspapers in the SF vicinity....that it had been solved quickly...and by a couple of schoolteachers,with a keen interest in crossword puzzles - The Hardens.
Oh how the Zodiac must have felt humiliated,knowing that the newspapers were smirking behind his back.Then,to make matters worse..emerging news of the Tate La Bianca murders,and its impact,internationally,would have made the Zodiac realise that it would be ''uphill'' all the way,if he was to make his way back,as front page news.
The Tate La Bianca murders,effectively,forced the Zodiac to ''up his game''....and the ''project'' attacks,at Lake Berryessa and Presidio Heights,the following September and October,appear to have come about,on the back of the Zodiac's humiliation,in that early August of 1969.
Most people then see ''us'' waiting until May 1978,before another possible ''Zodiac-Manson'' link,emerges again....this time,in the form of the ''Channel 9 Letter''.
But,but,but...recently researching the kidnapping of Patty Hearst...I believe I have found a further link.
On,or around March 27th 1974,a psychiatrist by the name of Dr.Frederick Hacker,based in Beverly hills,received a menacing ''cut and paste'' letter.
At the time,Dr.Hacker had become the Hearst Family's official confident,in the wake of the kidnapping of Catherine and Randolph Hearst's daughter,Patty.
Dr.Hacker specialised in studying the perpetration of violence and terrorism.He had given expert evidence at the Manson trials.In addition,expert evidence at the public enquiry into the 1972 Munich Olympics terrorist atrocities.
At the time of the Hearst kidnapping,Dr.Hacker had become front page news,himself.And perhaps,another hoaxing target for those,caught up in the deeds of the S.L.A. .
At a later date,I will post more possible evidence of the Zodiac,as an active extortionist in 1974 and 1975.In addition,actual death threats served on celebrated and controversial film director,Stanley Kubrick.
But for now,I will leave the reference of the HEARNAP FBI File 15,Pages 298 - 300,as evidence of a new indirect link to Manson.
Dr.Frederick Hacker.
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Post by BillW on Feb 27, 2019 11:25:07 GMT -8
According to Mae Brussell, Zodiac was not a single deranged man working alone, but acted in concert with other politically motivated killers, trying to produce terror in the population at large. The violent episodes of Zodiac, Manson, the Juan Corona murders, the Zebra killings, the Patty Hearst kidnapping, the Vallejo-Martinez school bus crash, the Chowchilla school bus kidnapping, the Santa Cruz murders of John Frazier, Herbert Mullen, and Edmund Kemper, the murder of Black Panthers, which she lumped together under the name “the California Violences”, were all linked together and conducted by the same cast of characters with an extreme right wing, white supremacist background.
I believe she is absolutely right and the information you provided regarding the letter to Dr. Hacker is very interesting and supports her contention.
Perhaps the purpose of the call was not extortion but to give Dr. Hacker inside information on Patty Hearst. A San Francisco Examiner article of April 5, 1974 shows Dr. Hacker having unusually clear insight into her state of mind, namely that the SLA brainwashing failed to achieve the desired effect of producing a programmed automaton and that she still remained an “uncertain convert”.
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