Post by Rubislaw32 on Jul 16, 2021 14:55:45 GMT -8
On November 8th 1969, the Zodiac sent his Dripping Pen card, with postscript :
Des July Aug Sept Oct = 7
Based on confirmed murders committed by the Zodiac, the Zodiac had actually killed 5 people. The '' Aug '' entry, retrospectively accounts for two girls, Kathy Snoozy and Debra Furlong, murdered in a frenzied knife attack by Karl Werner, on August 3rd 1969.
The Zodiac had deceived and, the correct postscript should have read : Des July Sept Oct = 5.
The next published letter from the Zodiac came on December 20th 1969 and, in a letter to the celebrated lawyer Melvin Belli, the Zodiac made reference to concerns about killing a 9th and 10th victim.
So, what happened to a mention of an '' 8th Victim '' ? . And, regardless of whether an eighth victim was stating the truth, or not .
A claim of 7 victims on November 8th 1969....to the inference of a 9th and 10th victim to come.
Post by Rubislaw32 on Jul 16, 2021 15:34:28 GMT -8
Between the Zodiac's Dripping Pen card of November 8th 1969 and his letter to Melvin Belli on December 20th 1969, are five reported correspondences from the Zodiac, but yet to be officially confirmed as authentic.
The first of these five correspondences, as documented by the FBI, is :
THE SAN JOSE LETTER of November 21st 1969, and just thirteen days following the Dripping Pen card where, the Zodiac had claimed 7 victims.
In the San Jose letter, the Zodiac wrote : '' November = 8 '' and '' There is no doubt I will do my thing.''
In the San Jose letter, also, the Zodiac had left a six-character cryptogram which, Rubislaw 32 claims to be solved as '' O = 1 , FBI = 0 ''. A '' score line '' which suggests, by virtue of the Beatles song '' I am the Walrus '' that, the Zodiac was answering Dr.Marsh's challenge to the Zodiac, on October 22nd 1969, for the Zodiac to leave his name behind in a cipher. So, in effect, the Zodiac was claiming that he was '' The Walrus '' and insulting the FBI, by referring to them, as '' The Egg Men ''.
If, as likely, the San Jose letter is authentic Zodiac then, the Zodiac '' has '' claimed an 8th Victim ( November = 8, as an accumulated total ).
But, who then was this 8th Victim ? - regardless of the Zodiac telling the truth, or not.
Post by Rubislaw32 on Jul 16, 2021 16:20:28 GMT -8
On November 16th 1969 and, as reported in Los Angeles newspapers the next day, the body of a young woman was discovered, discarded 15 feet down an embankment on Mulholland Drive, Hollywood. Estimated to have been murdered on November 14th, the young unidentified woman was referred to by investigating police, as '' Sherry Doe ''and, was found to have been subjected to a frenzied knife attack, suffering up to 150 stab wounds to her neck and upper torso.
The spot where Sherry Doe was found was half-way between the residences of Sharon Tate and the LaBiancas and, rumour immediately focussed on the Manson clan as responsible, with the Tate-LaBianca murders having taken place three months earlier.
Sherry Doe, as with Debra Furlong and Kathy Snoozy, was a knife attack victim. Retrospectively now, it does seem likely that another purpose of the San Jose letter was to infer an expansion of the Zodiac's new reign of terror, as far south as Los Angeles. But, as looks equally likely now, a decision by the CA DOJ and the FBI was taken to suppress the San Jose letter from surfacing in the public domain, for that very reason.
And further to this decision, that the Zodiac was bitterly disappointed in response and, continued to dig at the authorities, into 1970 and beyond, with the subliminal employment of the number '' 8 '', as a reminder to them that the public were not privy to even the mention of an 8th Victim, through no fault of his own and, that they were inferring by absence of evidence that the Zodiac couldn't even count the fingers on his own hands.
Last Edit: Jul 16, 2021 16:22:31 GMT -8 by Rubislaw32
Post by Rubislaw32 on Jul 16, 2021 17:09:22 GMT -8
'' Come in number 8, where are you ? ''
On April 20th 1970 and, four months after the Zodiac's letter to Melvin Belli, with its intention references to a 9th and 10th victim, the Zodiac surfaced again and, offered in correspondence a 13-character cryptogram, now known as the '' My name is -----'' cipher. As presented, it contained a new symbol in the text - a very specific 8-Ball symbol, repeated three times. ( Rubislaw 32 claims that the 8-Ball symbols translate to '' A's '' - The American Automobile Association stuck behind the '' 8-Balls '', with the whole solution as : ALIBABASALIAS . '' Ali Baba's alias '' - which was '' Son of the Mighty Caliph '', in the 1965 film '' The Sword of Ali Baba ''.)
Then, on July 26th 1970 in the Zodiac's Little List letter with further clues to the Zodiac's Bomb Cipher, denoting where its location was, in the Zodiac's Button Letter of June 26th 1970, the Zodiac outlined its position in relation to Mount Diablo, as seeming to be at an '' 8 o'clock direction ''. And, this is born out, with Rubislaw 32's solution to that Bomb Cipher, as '' I KEEP IT HEELED IN AT CANDLESTICK PARK ''.
Further to this, with the ( presumed ) Zodiac's 13-Hole card of October 5th 1970, the employment of a '' Apollo 8 '' postage stamp.
Then repeated, with another '' Apollo 8 '' postage stamp used for the Zodiac's Halloween card to Paul Avery, on October 27th 1970.
Indeed, it seems that the Zodiac could not let this '' 8th Victim '' suppression go and, as became apparent, he still had a problem over it, on May 2nd 1978 ( 8 years later ) with his presumed '' Channel 9 '' letter.
Post by Rubislaw32 on Jul 16, 2021 18:03:46 GMT -8
Sherry Doe's identity finally solved :
In 2016, 47 years after Sherry Doe was murdered, her true identity was found to be Reet Jurvetson, a 19 year-old young woman from Canada of Estonian descent. DNA from Ms.Jurvetson's brassiere was eventually found to have a close match to a sister, Anne, still residing in Canada all these years later.
At the time of Reet Jurvetson's death, it was found that she had been residing in a 3rd Floor apartment at the former Paramount Hotel building, with address : 5311 Melrose Avenue, Hollywood.
Just 400 yards further along , and on the other side of neighbouring Paramount studios, is the home of Channel 9 KHJ-TV Studios, at 5615 Melrose Avenue.
And, on May 2nd 1978, it was this TV company that the presumed Zodiac was to send his '' Channel 9 '' letter, expounding his views on race, religion, neo-fascist cops and the Manson family. But, perhaps a further clue to his '' 8th Victim ''was evident on the envelope of this Melrose Avenue addressed correspondence :
'' 220.127.116.11.5.6.7.A.G.C.G.T.H '' - this, a factual reference ( in mirror image form ) to the chorus of the song by The Beatles, '' You never give me your money ''.
Finally, it seems, that the Zodiac was able to demonstrate to the CA DOJ and FBI, and in a satisfyingly sarcastic way, that he was able to count :
'' 18.104.22.168.5.6.7 '' - and, what comes after 7 ( victims ) ? - '' Eight ''.
Last Edit: Jul 16, 2021 20:05:32 GMT -8 by Rubislaw32
Post by Rubislaw32 on Jul 16, 2021 19:13:10 GMT -8
What are the possible implications of the CA DOJ failing to suppress the Zodiac's San Jose letter of November 21st 1969 ?
1 ) Another victim ( 8th ) claim by the Zodiac, hot on the heels ( within 13 days ) of his claim of 7 victims ( November 8th 1969 ).
2 ) A prompt response ( within 30 days ) to Dr.Marsh's challenge that the Zodiac would not be able to leave his name in a cipher. The Zodiac did, but gave Dr.Marsh the bird, with '' I am the Walrus '', and insulted the FBI, at the same time.
3 ) Indications that the Zodiac, by inference at least, had expanded his '' killing fields '' to Los Angeles, and Hollywood in particular.
4 ) Complications might arise, and compromise efforts to successfully prosecute members of the Manson family, at a delicate time of only three months following the Tate-LaBianca murders.
It was time for the CA DOJ to exercise counter-intelligence measures against the Zodiac Killer, now perceived as '' An Enemy of the State ''.
Post by Rubislaw32 on Jul 18, 2021 19:31:54 GMT -8
A further '' telling '' clue why the FBI and CA JOJ may have been inclined to suppress the SAN JOSE LETTER of November 21st 1969 :
With acknowledgement to Zodiac contributors Richard Grinell and '' Cragle ''. Only recently, these contributors have surmised, with a number of persuasive clues, that a widow referred as under threat from the Zodiac, in the San Jose letter, was Diane Kennedy Pike, then bereaved widow of the 5th Bishop of California and religious statesman James Pike. At the time, a resident of San Jose, CA.
Numerous clues to the 1990 Celebrity Cipher, indicate that the Zodiac was suggesting that Hollywood actor Clint Eastwood was now a chosen target of threat. Further possible clues in the FBI Files suggest that the Zodiac, under other names, may have threatened additional celebrities, such as Rev. Billy Graham and Stanley Kubrick.
It is certainly possible, and indeed probable, that the author Diane Kennedy Pike was the Zodiac's first venture into extortion that was specifically celebrity-related. A new tool of terror, for which the authorities wished to cover-up and, send out a warning to the Zodiac that, he would not benefit in exposure from this direct and individual form of extortion. And, as is noted, the 1990 Celebrity Cipher offers no actual proof that Clint Eastwood was a Zodiac target. Only since the exposure of the Cipher postcard's picture, in 2019, has this become all too apparent, highlighting the cipher text clues that were already there. So, the inference is that the Zodiac operated subliminally in September 1990 and, the cipher still didn't emerge into the public domain, until 2006.
For the San Jose letter of November 1969, a celebrity widow under threat ( Dianne Kennedy Pike )...and, the claim of an 8th murder victim from Hollywood whose identity had yet to be established ( Reet Jurvetson ).
Last Edit: Jul 20, 2021 8:15:17 GMT -8 by Rubislaw32
Post by Rubislaw32 on Jul 18, 2021 21:19:19 GMT -8
For what it is worth and, a footnote to this thread of sorts.
In early December 2014, Rubislaw 32 offered NCIS Washington D.C. an exclusively homophonic solution to the 1990 Celebrity Cipher. It is NCIS Washington D.C. who hold the military records of all past and present Zodiac suspects and official POI's. Together with the FBI, these are the two main federal law enforcement agencies, in the service of the Zodiac Killer case custodians, the California State Department of Justice.
Later in December 2014, the San Francisco Chronicle published an innocuous Zodiac article by journalist Kevin Fagan who, referred in part, to Rubislaw 32's perceived real name and address. Rubislaw 32 questioned Kevin Fagan how this had appeared to have happened , given already agreed confidentiality. Kevin Fagan claimed that the name and address had appeared as simply a lottery pick, out of thousands of Zodiac-related letters received by the SF Chronicle, every year. And yet, Kevin Fagan held a Zodiac case dossier with private information, from Rubislaw 32.
A second request for the truth from Rubislaw 32, produced the same denial from Kevin Fagan - and a re-iterated claim that the perceived real name and address had appeared in his Zodiac article, simply by chance.
The giveaway to Kevin Fagan's duplicity in his denial came only one month later, in a Zodiac-related article by Scottish Sunday Express editor, Ben Borland who, subsequently admitted that his, Ben Borland's article, contained a reference to the 1990 Celebrity Cipher solution, as offered by Rubislaw 32, from having contacted....KEVIN FAGAN.
Before Kevin Fagan's December 2014 Zodiac article, only NCIS Washington D.C. had been given Rubislaw 32's 1990 Celebrity Cipher solution and, the source of the solution could only have emanated via NCIS Washington D.C. or the FBI's Cryptanalysis Unit.
But - yet no admission from the FBI, despite a conclusion of the only realistic symbols hiding behind the postcard's postage stamp, for which only the FBI would know the answer, by physically peeling away, to reveal, the only part of the cipher text, that may otherwise have remained disguised.
Rubislaw 32's solution to the Zodiac Killer's 1990 Celebrity Cipher is available to view, at this site.
As the FBI are all too aware now, and have been since 2014, the poetic solution was not Clint Eastwood after all - but legendary military tactician '' Frederick the Great ''.
Just how grateful do the FBI have to be ( ? ), before admitting to their gratefulness.
And indeed, their own inabilities and shortcomings in a criminal case ?
Sometimes, it really seems as if the FBI actually feel threatened, as opposed to assisted, by members of the public for whom they, the FBI have requested assistance by their actions of seeking that help through leaking, feeding, or simply publishing criminal-related unsolved material.
Almost 53 years now since the Zodiac Killer's first official strike at Lake Herman Road, Benicia. And, 52 of those years with the FBI , and all their claimed crime-fighting skill set available to solve this high-profile case.
The public is still awaiting a successful outcome and, the FBI, with all its resources should exercise more humility......and gratitude to the public, for which the Zodiac internet community is a part.
Last Edit: Jul 19, 2021 7:18:00 GMT -8 by Rubislaw32
Rubislaw32: feet to conclude Russian intervention investigations. Then Trump's first public utterance on Comey (claimed by wikipedia ) : ''Comey is crazy - he's a complete nut-job !''. As if Trump was comparing Comey to Norman Bates - he was genuinely spooked.
Aug 15, 2022 13:21:14 GMT -8
Rub--law32: I'm no fly on the wall, but it's a pound to a penny that (then) Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told all of this and more to Donald Trump, when Trump was champing at the bit to do business with Russia, and couldn't fathom why Comey was dragging his
Aug 15, 2022 13:10:54 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: An explanation from Comey to the Attorney General in a parallel universe : '' Yes, I had considered our great nation and the principles of its security - but first I had to check if my boys needed to do any covering-up - plus the ''hero'' factor for me.''.
Aug 15, 2022 7:57:29 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: 'Embarrassing' ? Well, given the code of sociopathic behaviour ingrained by the FBI, who knows how Comey felt. But at that juncture, the Attorney General would have realized that Comey hadn't informed him on terrorist info from Frank Mulholland. Treason ?
Aug 15, 2022 7:37:43 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Yes FBI, your man Comey caught red-handed impersonating Sherlock Holmes, and without security clearance from his boss the U.S. Attorney General. Just sniffing around, concerned that your agency were about to be left out of a Z-loop. ''M-Bare-Assing''.
Aug 15, 2022 5:53:42 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Brenda's case resurrection goes back to February 2015, and a public announcement of a re-investigation into her murder (July 14th 1978). One week later, the Crown Office took safe possession of Joan Webster's case file, followed by Comey's Z-case exposure.
Aug 15, 2022 5:43:12 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: So, although crude terminology, and retrospectively murdered by neither GSK nor the Zodiac - Nancy's case was assisted benevolently by both GSK & Zodiac ''cash cows''. August 22nd 2022, and the murder trial of Brenda Page starts - Z's Scotch Tape lie.
Aug 15, 2022 5:30:03 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Since the arrest of GSK in April 2018, the official LE claim is that 150 criminal cases have benefited, with a perceived GSK link. In addition, Nancy Bennallack was murdered one day before the Zodiac Killer mailed his Halloween Card (Oct. 27th 1970).
Aug 15, 2022 5:21:31 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: To the CA DOJ : If the Zodiac is still alive, as I believe and believe that you know that he is - go and get him. The public are past caring about your level of confidence, and whether you think it is in the public's interest. Let him speak for himself.
Aug 14, 2022 18:29:30 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: on their obligations. For the CA DOJ, they still seem to be on the side of righteousness - but there is certainly concern that they might make him a ''fall-guy'', expended for other benefits of the CA DOJ's choosing. History will be harsh if they play God.
Aug 14, 2022 18:02:14 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: In time, the FBI will be outed for their dereliction of duty in the Zodiac case - and even when they were giving him attention, ''dropped the ball'' on so many occasions. Those that retain a case interest, still hope that the judiciary can deliver..
Aug 14, 2022 17:53:04 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Has the Zodiac Killer case been used as a ''cash cow'' for resurrecting other cases to gain necessary funding, to be solved ? Certainly an element of truth there - but no one would want to be the person to say that to any victims' families.
Aug 14, 2022 16:05:25 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...solve the ''biggest fish'' (e.g. The Zodiac Killer case) - the more holding back in time to catch it. For the UK I have proffered (at least) Z-outliers related to Inverness 1976, Aberdeen 1978 and Glasgow 2005. Resolutions on those, still a bit away.
Aug 14, 2022 15:52:06 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...Killer's. But, once that undertaking is made (e.g. Bennallack case), then with the extra funding found, the case in question is seen out on its own merits regardless. The ''Catch-22'' scenario might be, though, that the more outlier cases allocated to..
Aug 14, 2022 15:47:41 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: often than not this funding would have been federal. To put it another way, cases that are elevated to a high-profile status, on the basis that they can be shown to have possible links to an already established high-profile case, such as that of the Zodiac
Aug 14, 2022 15:43:18 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...question. To home in more specifically, there has been talk that Nancy's case became an allocated Zodiac outlier case at a given time, and therefore benefited from extra funding, contributing to a successful outcome for that case recently. And, more...
Aug 14, 2022 15:39:34 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...that this has mostly to do with tragic events unfolding on Capitol Hill January 6th 2021. Then swing 36 hours later to an announcement of the solving of the Nancy Bennallack murder 51 years ago. No relationship at all ? Now that's an interesting...
Aug 14, 2022 15:18:00 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Politics and funding to fight crime ? Now that's an interesting subject that even the keenest of investigative journalists may not , if ever, come close to even touching the surface. For Mr Trump's subjection to a recent raid, the public would be aware....
Aug 14, 2022 15:12:28 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Message for the FBI ? : ''Dear Hoodwinker Wray, This is The DOG speaking and we are in control. DOG 1, FIB 0. The DOG eats you up. Woof, woof. - The DOG.''
Aug 14, 2022 7:53:55 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Moreover - what might remain an ''outlier fear'' for the FBI is, if the Crown Office uncover evidence of a crime committed by the Zodiac, outside of any jurisdiction that the FBI might hold -something like death threats to Stanley Kubrick's family (UK) ?
Aug 14, 2022 7:39:10 GMT -8