I and my family went to the zodiac attack sites in June 71 ,to take many pictures for a girl cousin that had revamped a weekly newspaper in the Osark hills , she wanted panoramic pics ,it would sell lots of papers.
We also went to D land. When there we were looking at where Darlines Corvair was parked that night, Other cars were parking in the crowded lot then people told them thats were the couple was shot and no one parks there anymore so they ran to move it. 2 different cars did this , well mom and Dad had taken some pics , a medium dark 66 ? Corvair came past 5 mph and dad leerd at the late 20s woman driving it , a petite buxom cutie / tank top ,had a tattoo , her boyfriend/ husband kinda muscle ly in a tank top , Mom got after Dad for noticing her too long , he just said " that would be a great pic if they had parked at the spot" a substitute Darline & Mike .
I wonder if its possible thats just what happened that nite Zodiac thought it was this shadier couple in a identical Corvair , he already deciding to shoot them , or still thought it was this couple we saw as he started shooting.
Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 26, 2021 12:18:39 GMT -8
Excellent contribution Davb3, and these are the sorts of reportages that bring elements of the case back to life.
About three years ago, someone posted a story about their father who, got caught in the tailback of traffic along Washington Street, shortly after the murder of Paul Stine. The police had immediately kept one side of the road clear for emergency services, and the traffic came to a standstill for about two hours. The contributor had been a baby in the back seat of his fathers car and, recounted the story from what his father had told him.
Eventually, the cars tailed back were allowed to continue their journey, and Dave Toschi approached some of the vehicles to apologise for the circumstances. This included the contributor's father, whose car roof Toschi gave a friendly tap. When his father returned home, he became most annoyed. It transpires that Toschi had tapped with his hand which, held his wedding ring and, was responsible for chipping paintwork off his father's car roof.
My inclinations are, that Mike and Darlene were waiting for a modest pick-up of a bag of weed, on the evening of the BRS attack. The Zodiac knew Darlene, and had grown increasingly concerned that she might go to the police with suspicion of the Zodiac being responsible for LHR. She probably had no such intention, but the Zodiac had been trawling around in his car, looking for her. A great tragedy of misunderstanding.
Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 26, 2021 19:55:55 GMT -8
This matter of whether the Zodiac knew Darlene, will always be a contentious one, until a confirmed truth either way emerges.
Without meaning to create a wide debate ( though any contributions gratefully received ), it may be of interest, and confirmed by Darlene's family, that Darlene had only just passed her driving test, and the Corvair referred was on loan from her father-in-law at the time of her murder.
Would the Zodiac have known this ? Still quite likely. There are, albeit unconfirmed reports, that a man with some car mechanics experience, assisted Darlene with a problem concerning her car, on the morning of July 4th - perhaps only about 18 hours before her death.
The inference being, that the Zodiac might have spotted Darlene at distance, simply by his ability to recognise the car she was using.
I bet this girl and couple got wide eyed looks driving around Vallejo in the Corvair after this , but corvairs were pretty common then too I remember men hating the air cooled VW and noisier Corvair 6cyl engines then ,noisier they smoked more usually , very annoying at a stoplite. My Dad would cuss at them , Could be the reason he/ they killed wonder where that Corvair is ?
Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 27, 2021 10:52:33 GMT -8
Certainly interesting car comments, Davb3.
One thing is pretty sure, I would think - is that the Zodiac's rented private accommodation still exists in Vallejo. Probably in the south of the town, with a good view of Mare Island, and a spacious garage. I believe that the Zodiac was already married, with a baby son, by the time of the Lake Herman Road attack - but, in all his time spent in the Bay area, I bet he never brought his family to stay - perhaps explaining that his residency was strictly '' bachelor '' accommodation ?
Hearst weasel Kevin Fagan promised me a hook-up with Mr Graysmith - then made apologies, on his behalf. I was really only interested in him, because I had heard that he is one of only two people in the public domain, to possess student enrolment information on Riverside College. I believe that the Zodiac enlisted for a short course, probably a welders certificate, mid-1966, and well before Cheri Jo's murder.
I think few begrudge Mr Graysmith's success - he became a great writer, of the diary genre. But it does appear now, that the Zodiac did start begrudging him - mostly to do with Graysmith's knowing inaccuracies. By 2002 and Graysmith's second Zodiac book, Graysmith must have known that he was walking on dodgy ground, with his Arthur Leigh Allen theory. But, publishers can be particularly persuasive people - certainly when it comes to offering money in return for a required product.
Rubislaw32: Tom: ''I am not geared to figuring a way to profit from the Zodiac thinking Gyke is pants. Darn.''. Ms Betts: ''I have never known Tom to make up a lie. My Honcho probably drank himself to death a few years back. But I still have real tears that I cry.''.
Oct 2, 2023 16:44:12 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Do you not understand, ''DOG'' ? The victims' families want their obligated justice, because they want the truth. Punishment is something they acknowledge will be left in the law courts' hands. Why do you forever protect yourselves as a priority ? Amoral.
Oct 2, 2023 15:34:30 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Well, I'll say this now, to register - there is a probability that Ms Bain picked her arrest dates of Mr Murrell, Mr Beattie and Ms Sturgeon ''carefully'' shall we say. But, that might be a subliminal apology, as much as anything. Thank you, ''Dorothy''.
Oct 2, 2023 13:49:32 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: 54 years ? The DOG have to be taking the p*ss, and at the expense of those whom they are supposed to serve. Not least what has transpired since March 2015. You see the problem is ''DOG'', that The FIB started messing with ''The Math''. Bad & dopey idea.
Oct 2, 2023 9:16:16 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Yes, it's shocking that one finds oneself asking these questions. But sadly, there is serial evidence that component parts of ''The DOG'' have been playing God, all too often. That might get them over a finish line - but ''out of jail'' ? Think on, DOG.
Oct 2, 2023 8:59:15 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Indeed, as it would appear that, worryingly, the Crown Office and US DOJ have struck some sort of deal - which squeezes CA DOJ out on a priority. Heaven forbid the notion - but at this stage anything is possible. Do the Zodiac and FBI walk away scot-free ?
Oct 2, 2023 8:19:59 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: All to play for - eh Crown Office ? Or, do you have one eye on protecting the interests of a successful prosecution of Mas'ud, for the Pan Am Lockerbie bombing ? It's just that the interests of the Zodiac case have been sold down the river so many times.
Oct 2, 2023 8:01:40 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Does Cryptic FIB's Dan Olson's Z340 solution hoax compare to The Hitler Diaries, for fraudulence ? A lot less money in it, but it remains to be seen. Although it must be concerning for FBI that a young & innocent hotel casino nurse might be their downfall.
Oct 2, 2023 5:15:07 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Well CA DOJ, you already knew Grant was the Zodiac's Papa, and now known for 20 years. But, because you didn't tell anyone (it was your right), it perhaps was inevitable someone else would know, before you confirmed Z's identity. A pity Comey was an ass.
Oct 2, 2023 5:01:37 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...to the 1990 Celebrity Cipher in December 2014. You know - the one which precipitated FBI Director James Comey's professional suicide. The Zodiac trying his hand at being clever with French, and giving his game away: Guilty of Joan & Grant was his Papa.
Oct 2, 2023 4:51:20 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: .., Blake and Van Eycke) had solved the cipher. As The DOG know all too well (as do Desperate Dan & his ''FIB''), the REAL one was actually solved in June 2017. Thanks a bundle for that, Crown Office, as well as suppressing the reality of the solution...
Oct 2, 2023 4:46:16 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: It certainly is a sad reflection on developments in the Zodiac case that: Almost 3 years on from an FBI December 11th 2020 Tweet, the 8-month Z340 simulation project still convinces many, that 3 unremarkable stooges, groomed by Dan Olson (Oranchak....
Oct 2, 2023 4:38:43 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Zodiac, July 26th 1970: ''PS. The Mt. Diablo Code concerns radians and #inches along the radians.''. Reality ? ''Radeons and Finches along the Radeons.''. Interpretation: Telegraph cables and Bunting along the cables. Clew was ''pure decoration'' - a lie.
Oct 1, 2023 22:16:04 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Zodiac was, in essence, an applied mathematician like a mechanical engineer. At least by education. And, he came to wonder how mathematicians arrived at the theories for him to implement. Reality ? They were probably thinking of something else at the time.
Oct 1, 2023 21:45:02 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Indeed - strangely, the majority of irrefutable knowledge centres around calculating the surface area of an irregularly-shaped object - like an asteroid for instance. Alexander Pope: ''And God said: ''Let there be Isaac Newton - and there was light.''.''.
Oct 1, 2023 20:49:11 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: OK - it's a bitchy point, but what separates a real mathematician from a pretend one, like ''Quantitative Scientist'' Sam Blake ? Essentially, ability to master the (approx.) 1,500 different ways to integrate or differentiate. After that, life's easy.
Oct 1, 2023 19:21:14 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: My instincts (as a qualified mathematician, unlike Sam Blake) is that the Burger Chef Z340 is genuine Z. This, after spending 30 hours initial inspection. Z has employed more polyphones than ever, and its theme is ''Time''. Too many rainy days involved.
Oct 1, 2023 18:57:01 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: One area of mystery remains in recent times, surrounding the ''Burger Chef Z340''. It started life at Voigt's site apparently, in celebration of the 50th anniversary of Lake Berryessa. How was it processed to be displayed ? Voigt isn't saying, predictably.
Oct 1, 2023 17:38:46 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: I did this through a 3rd party, and could not be certain the postcard had reached the Zodiac. Well, William Grant's illegitimate son, anyway. I suspect I had annoyed Z - but this was nothing, compared to FBI Dan Olson's 8-month Z340 simulation project.
Oct 1, 2023 17:06:03 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...being terrorized by a graffiti artist, using the words of Tom Voigt & his glove puppets. The reason for ''Sister/s'' ? I had sent the Zodiac a copy of the Richard Nixon postcard depicting Oregon's McKenzie river - and just 1 of the 3 Sisters mountains.
Oct 1, 2023 16:50:42 GMT -8