Post by WelshChappie on Mar 3, 2016 15:10:42 GMT -8
The absconding from Taxi with intent (not to pay for it) is not the most serious offence, nor is First Degree Murder. No, the San Francisco Police Dpt. are listing the charges in order of seriousness and No.1 is:
Calling Inspector David Toschi a Pig, a Felony Offence with a maximum punishment of Life without parole.
You cannot allow people to refer to them Nice police People as Pigs, that's simply outrageous! Dirty Harry Dave still cries when you remind Him what Zodiac referred to him as.
An interesting point made,WelshChappie...that which they could charge Zodiac with - apart from Murder,Attempted Murder and Extortion [?].
So I take it that accusing the police of having their snouts in the trough,is top of the list [?].There is also impersonating a registered library user,to consider [?].Perhaps even trespassing on university premises.Also forcing a taxi driver to accept an unwanted tip - a bullet.
If the image of the Green Room at San Quentin is ever dangled in front of Zodiac,I suspect he will plead guilty to most charges placed before him [?].
Post by WelshChappie on Mar 6, 2016 6:04:41 GMT -8
Well I never did quite understand the FBI documents, well some of them anyway, stating:
TO: FBI LATENT DPT.
RE: ZODIAC - EXTORTION.
He threatened the papers if they didn't print what He had sent He would do something nasty and that you could define in Legal terms as terrorist threats or blackmail but Extortion? I could be wrong, and because Extortion is the listed offence I must be, but when I think of the word or crime of Extortion, immediately I think of extorting something from another such as money, property, any thing that I at the person extorting another want from another.
Zodiac never said, to my knowledge anyway, Print this Cipher on your front page now, and give me 25 grand or i'll blow up The Chronicle Building. I suppose though the Law is open to interpretation by the lawmaker's though so if they decide 'He's extorted the reputation SFPD Patrol Cops having the audacity to tell the truth in relation to an event we are concealing, and does so with "Doesn't it rile you up to have your face rubbed in your boo boos. At this point I half expect The CIA & DOD to declare revealing this information as this mouthy gob-shite has done, is a matter of National Security.
Though I do have to wonder if CIA DOD in this case means Cant Investigate Anything with Dispatcher On Drugs.
PS: I hope that isn't classed as, and myself be charged with Extortion
Of course they [police and DOJ] should and will throw Extortion into the list of charges,since the inference,if not the threat of more carnage,was made by Zodiac - and his letters are proof to this ''reality''.
There are the ''inferences''- which technically may be deemed ''questionable'' :
''PS could you print this new cipher on your front page ? I get awfully lonely when I am ignored,so lonely I could do my Thing !!!!!!! ''
''.....They have not complied with my wishes for them to wear some nice [Zodiac] buttons.I promiced to punish them if they did not comply...''
''.....If you do not wear any type of [Zodiac] buttons I shall [on top of every thing else] torture all 13 of my slaves....''
BUT,where LE really have Zodiac ''banged to rights'' on an Extortion charge is :
''PS. If I do not see this note in your paper,I will do something nasty,which you know I'm capable of doing.''
I think,with other examples such as the content of the ''Count Marco letter'',there is certainly enough for LE to ''handpick'' what to ''throw'' in Zodiac's direction.
Post by WelshChappie on Mar 13, 2016 13:06:12 GMT -8
Well we'd have to look to Legalese Itself for an actual definition of Extortion and the Law Society give it a general definition of: " A crime of obtaining money or property by threat to a victim's property or loved ones, intimidation, or false claim of a right."
Now in Legislative Legal Terms, Extortion as a criminal offence has many different forms itself in terms of what may be legally defined as Extorting or extortion and many different types of this crime are regularly prosecuted in A Court. Extortion can and is defined as a stand alone clearly defined Offence at Federal Level.
It seems to me that In Legalese, Extortion is synonymous with Blackmail and one often gets interlinked with the other.
Anyway, enough of the finer specifics of what extortion is because the truth is, in the States it depends which State your in as to what defines actual extortion as a chargeable crime. The Point is this:
Given the potential to go after Zodiac for a range of very serious felony offences, Offences that likely would see more resources being committed in the FBI's pursuit of Him, Why go after Him for Extortion?
Makes little sense to me. Extorting nobody for nothing rather than, i dunno, committing Homicides across State Lines?
Post by WelshChappie on Mar 13, 2016 13:18:53 GMT -8
Did the Bureau take the position in the late Sixties to Early Seventies of:
"The San Francisco Unknown Subject that we refer to as The Zodiac, this individual May murder as many people He likes all over the place, we'll certainly frown upon that. However, should He try to extort a person to gain something of theirs....immediate upgrading to Position No.1 on the FBI's Ten most Wanted.
And of course, this isn't your average extortion, oh no! He would be attempting Astrological Extortion! See, that's far worse!
Post by Rubislaw32 on Aug 29, 2019 20:44:47 GMT -8
Welcome to '' ZKS '',Randolph Carter.
What you have posted,on this thread looks interesting.
Can you explain to readers,what you are referring to,and give the reader,at least some basis,by how you come to your conclusion ?
There are three main events,in the history of the Zodiac case,that might be considered as ''blunders''....that are known about.
I would suggest that those mistakes are :
The Riverside Police's decision to send correspondences,related to the Cheri Jo Bates murder,to the Post Office Fraud Department...instead of the FBI,for whom the Riverside Police were aware were the specialists in extortion,related to the act of murder.
The succesful court injuction,that William Grant won against all law enforcement,for Police Harrassment....which rendered the Vallejo Police's further role in the Zodiac case,all but completely redundant.
The Inspector Toschi ''Fan Mail'' scandal,and its subsequent ramifications to the Zodiac case.
The three aforementioned can be debated and discussed further....with,for example,the question of if there was any cover-up....and if so - then to what extent.
So,Randolph Carter....please inform members and visiting guests,further,with respect to what exactly,you are offering as other subject matter,that might be construed as encompassing the notion of ''cover-up'',in the Zodiac case,specifically.
Post by RandolphCarter on Aug 29, 2019 22:26:27 GMT -8
In the June 12-19 1970, an article appeared in the Berkeley Tribe wherein the articles author "Rick Heide" (rh?) reports his wife, on staff at the tribe,was harassed by a squad of officers that searched their house without a warrant. Mr Heide was then brought in on suspicion of affiliation with the Weathermen (of radical infamy as opposed to the meteorological variety) with what seems like little proof to go on only to find that Lowell Jensen, the District Attorney had personally signed the warrant.
There are many other articles regarding Lowell Jensen all with a similar tone.
Perhaps Miss Jensen was related to Lowell Jensen, establishing a motive at least in the vein that this Rick Heide had been targeted by Jensen. This could suggest a cover up in that if Betty Lou's murder were solved, his practices would have come to light and if he his actions were the result of COINTELPRO harassment, it would have been in the best interest of the city, state and federal government for the murder to remain unsolved.
Post by Rubislaw32 on Aug 29, 2019 22:45:12 GMT -8
Thanks for that Randolph Carter.Initially,it does sound feasible.I will see if I can find out more,before venturing any thoughts.
Interesting that you have brought up COINTELPRO....which for readers that might be interested,was in essence,the counter intelligence branch of the FBI,in their fight against ''perceived'' criminal behaviour,with respect to emerging Black Extremist factions,such as The Black Panther Party and Organization US.
Historians tend to be divided as to the legitimacy of some of COINTELPRO's actions.
Post by RandolphCarter on Aug 29, 2019 22:51:38 GMT -8
I apologize if you aren't familiar with the judge I refer to. Mr. Smith published an article in the September 19-25 issue of the Tribe wherein he describes his father's betrayal, allegedly his father conspired with a judge and sent him to prison for an arson he did not commit.
Post by RandolphCarter on Aug 29, 2019 22:57:54 GMT -8
Also, this interview Mae Brussell conducted with Charles Manson's arresting officer Preston Guillory contains Mr. Guillory stating that the majority of officers read the underground news as they found the mainstream news useless except for a laugh. If this was the case in California and not just in Los Angeles, more than one officer would have seen the multitude of articles printed in various underground papers alluding to zodiac crimes. The Underground Press Syndicate, publisher of the Tribe and various other rags was on the CIA and the FBI's radar. This is circumstantial. I will look into others mentioned rubislaw32, thank you.
Rubislaw32: There you go FBI - another example of the FBI (Comey) leaving a mess behind, through having the arrogance of believing that you are a law unto yourselves. Is it any wonder Riverside PD never wanted you in their back yard ? Mucky pups, crooks & thugs.
Sept 29, 2022 8:20:32 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Recriminations were brutal in the wake of James Comey's ''visitations''. 4 senior police officers at the C.C.U. were singled out and shamed, losing their jobs under varying description. Also to go were two Chief Constables and Head of the Police Authority.
Sept 29, 2022 5:35:33 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Why did Congress not get to hear about any of this ? Because Robert Mueller's unredacted report into Comey's dismissal was offered to them, on the basis that they not divulge those parts to the the public. Congress refused, as a matter of moral principle.
Sept 29, 2022 4:54:06 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: e-mails were being intercepted by senior police behaving like puerile schoolboys at Police Scotland's Counter Corruption Unit - bearing in mind that Comey was also tasked with investigating Mrs Clinton's e-mails on the basis of possible security breaches.
Sept 29, 2022 4:14:06 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: It is certainly ironic that Mr Comey was tasked with investigating Russian intervention in the 2016 US Presidential Election when, for all IOCCO knew initially, Comey without security clearance, could have been a Russian spy. In addition, that Comey's...
Sept 29, 2022 4:07:30 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: A fly on the wall ? : ''This is Director Comey of The FIB speaking with a stolen Zodiac case file for The Lord Advocate - could you rush me through please ?''. (IOCCO - aside) : ''Someone get on the phone to Mi5 - looks like we may have a Russian agent.''.
Sept 28, 2022 15:34:50 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Now out of track on credulity, the FBI are seen as the Zodiac-lepers, with the CA DOJ delivering their damnation on May 14th 2022. A new meaning for their once proud name ''The Untouchables'' - the FBI making their case skeletons even more conspicuous.
Sept 28, 2022 12:43:36 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: For the FBI since May 9th 2017, it has been about selling the false perception they hold a key role in the Zodiac case - then using this to peddle their dishonest proclamations. The reality ? DOJ's don't want nor need what the FBI are touting as info..
Sept 28, 2022 12:08:30 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Indeed FBI - ''You don't know what you got until you lose it''. First call after Trump booted Comey's a*s ? Get cosy with Hearst because you're going to need a media mogul perpetuating the myth that you are still at the heart of Zodiac investigations.
Sept 28, 2022 11:46:10 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: they weren't required. Just too dramatic, and for theatrical effect. He was caught red-handed (IOCCO) on March 4th 2015 when he was busy trying to convince The Crown Office that he was in charge of the Zodiac case. Dishonest, but comical.
Sept 28, 2022 11:08:45 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...things. Indeed, a ''shady character'' - that Mr Comey. I would place him somewhere between Norman Bates and Basil Fawlty, if you get my drift. All those tears as if he had been hard done by, and those oaths that he kept taking in public when ....
Sept 28, 2022 11:02:04 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ''...they were no longer needed.'' ? A bit slow on the uptake though, FBI ? Must have come as a shock that you had been replaced by Stone Ghost, as Intelligence processors for the CA DOJ ? But then, your ex-Director Comey hadn't told you lots of...
Sept 28, 2022 10:57:32 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: CA DOJ are unable to avail us of such luxuries, there's always focusing on the fraud-peddlers of the case - the FBI. For 45 years this agency did their best impersonation of Rip Van Winkle, then suddenly woke up to the fact that they were no longer needed.
Sept 27, 2022 16:53:23 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Reasons to be cheerful : For Zodiac followers there never really is, until this Zodiac case is resolved once and for all. An alive Zodiac brought to justice and explaining himself to his victims' families would be a relative joy to behold. But, while the..
Sept 27, 2022 16:46:09 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: This is what has yet to impact publicly, FBI : The sheer scale of your internal investigations to ascertain the missed opportunities in tracking the Zodiac as a compulsive extortionist. The bitterest pill FBI ? He was extorting you yourselves - big time.
Sept 27, 2022 13:16:33 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ..Graham and have him make a tape to be heard in the compound. They will come out after hearing his words - a religious man whom they can trust to speak words of the truth.''. Mt Carmel, Waco ? Carmel (1990 Celebrity Cipher) ? Carmel - Stage-prop computer.
Sept 27, 2022 10:21:32 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: There was certainly one individual responsible for a host of letters both in the advent and wake of the Waco tragedy - ''ring-fenced'' by the FBI with a handwritten ''Dear'', and included allusions to ''favourites'' like Rev Billy Graham : ''Contact Billy
Sept 27, 2022 10:13:01 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: worked in an FBI office a few years ago. My wife and I know first-hand how decent and sensitive you bureau people are. Your agency is a special group.''. Then-FBI Director William Sessions, was in office for just 2 months beyond the FBI's Waco storming.
Sept 27, 2022 9:50:31 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...handled the situation at Waco in an excellent manner. Responsible citizens can be proud of the FBI's sincere efforts to resolve the situation peacefully. You were dealing with a lunatic who was clearly a danger to all law-abiding citizens. My daughter..
Sept 27, 2022 9:40:50 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...the FBI's ABSCAM sting operation and the FBI's storming of the Mt Carmel compound at Waco TX, April 19th 1993, leaving 76 people dead including 25 children. The Zodiac's arsenal included the ability to ''damn with faint praise''. Example : ''The FBI...
Sept 27, 2022 9:33:48 GMT -8