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Post by Zydeco on Jun 3, 2015 16:40:53 GMT -8
I know you don't believe me. That's alright darlings, I expected that. You need to watch a series of videos. All of them. If you don't have time right now, please, please just watch the one on Jeffrey Dahmer.
'Stefano' forgot the bitemark. He also forgot about the bitemark evidence which largely convicted Ted Bundy. I don't (normally) have much faith in bitemark evidence anyway. So, although some details are missing (but he links to more detailed videos) this series is a fantastic resource. One video has an interesting Zodiac badge.
I think I know who one of the Zodiac was. I have my reasons for not directly naming him. I'll start instead with a person who is my suspect's friend, and in my opinion was one of Son of Sam. (Zodiac may well have been too.) If you travel on private planes, it is irrelevant where you live. He was working with some of the suspects named on this board.
I'm sorry. I've just deleted most of this post. No one's listening to me and I'm just dragging my bum leg around town here. It's a joke that I sent my (substantial) evidence to LE. I am an idiot.
Watch the video. To be clear, I'm not one who believes Dahmer was innocent (I believe the Innocence Project does.) But the point is, he didn't kill alone. And he was making... snuff movies... just like Son of Sam...
Apologies for bothering you,
Signed, the crazy, tedious, incoherent drunk who insults victims. Good luck to those of you not working for the CIA. Thank you.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Jul 31, 2015 0:54:21 GMT -8
Police cover-up ? From my[limited] experiences with the police on murder cases,it takes place at every level.But there is rarely,if anything,that could be considered realistically ''suspicious'' about it.They have an evolved and honed system in place,with respect to a serious crime having taken place.This starts with initial examination - and gaining as much information from the public as possible.A new case is ''their baby''- so it is little wonder that they will seek to ''give back''as little information as possible.But of course,that can be the starting point for ''raised eyebrows''.
Another misconception is that the police are directed by the judiciary.In most cases,it is senior police who make the final decisions on prosecution.The police are the front line troops who ''fight'' crime,and the ones who gather the necessary evidence required to prosecute.The judiciary exist to assist and advise them.But it is the police who have to decide if they have secured enough evidence to secure a conviction.
For high profile crimes,unfortunately,this is when the lines of responsibility can become blurred.The judiciary start weighing in with their legal opinions,and the politicians who hold the purse strings,with wider moral issues,can begin to interfere.This becomes witnessed,at a distance,by the media.and cries of ''Police cover-up'' by the public is an inevitable result.
The police NEVER forget.It is entirely possible that they have been confident who Zodiac is,and for the last 40 years.But until they are confident that a judge and jury will convict,they will wait.
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Post by WelshChappie on Oct 10, 2015 15:53:54 GMT -8
Having filed several successful FOIA requests I have with each of these got the standard 3 page info on the general FOIA regulations and as such, I know from this small print that if they don't want to release something, they won't.
Dave Paulides, former police officer turned Author of 'Missing 411' which point to very unusual cases of people just vanishing in the US many National Parks, He submitted a FOIA and got the standard response 'After searching our main file systems, No info relevant to your request blah blah blah' and so Dave filed a second and this got a reply similar saying they hold no such records so Dave rang the FOIA Officer and spoke to Him directly and asked in relation to His request "Have I worded it incorrectly and they are not clear about what data I am asking for?" The FOIA Officer replied "No Dave, they know exactly what your asking for, they just don't want to release the information your asking for." Dave asked "Why not?" He was told three words in response "Lack of Integrity." He was told 'They' don't want people knowing that there is a very real danger in visiting a United Stated National Park."
Dave then got in touch with one of the higher ranked superiors (can't recall offhand if this was within the FBI or DOJ) and Dave explained who and as an Author, He has the right to be given this info as FOIA Regulations give Authors and Investigative Journalists extra rights to get information for purpose of reporting on it in their work. He got a reply from the FBI saying they have received His request, and turns out that they actually do have a the list of cases He asked for originally and that they would be more than happy to release them to Him........ For $1,200.000. Yes, One point Two Million US Dollars was the cost they demanded before they released the list. And this was just for one nation park! They seem to then wish to pre-dismiss his asking for US National Parks List as a whole by declaring this list is also available, it will just require a small fee of over $4.000.000 to get hold of it. Dave, as you probably guessed, declined to pay this ridiculous amount.
And because I have the 3 page fact sheet that came with Kane's arrest record and His Zodiac suspect files, the 2nd page of the fact sheet tells you what is exempt for public release and why and the obvious things we'd expect are listed such as "If the information would compromise The National Security of the United States" and such other obvious stuff, but less obvious and well known is the Title 5 Subsection of the FOIA & specifically Section 552/552a which while wording it very fancily basically states that information may be withheld and exempt from release if it is deemed to not be in the interest of the public to know it.
That's nice, in other words it is that thing in play again called 'arrogance' where they will decide for us what we are allowed to know and what we can't. They being the important people who are allowed to know, and us as in us the public who may not be important enough to be informed of certain things.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Oct 11, 2015 1:07:59 GMT -8
Cor Blimey !,WelshChappie....the powers that be have the US Tourist Industry's best interests at heart - but for an exorbitant price,one can still obtain information - provided ''they'' deem you having ''Integrity'' [?].Further to this,that having a working job title of ''Author''fits their perceived qualifications [?].
What if you were the author of pornographic or subversive material ? - would that still fit the bill ?
I know,it can be all too easy to over simplify or become embedded in cynicism - but it inevitably raises further questions [?].
Now I realize why ''certain media outlets'' are touting me as an ''Author'' - I am no such thing,apart from compiling dossiers for individuals and organizations that might be able to exert influence.And that's a tenuous road to travel,in itself.
Still,no point giving up [?].Veteran professional golfer ''Gary Player'' once said : ''The harder I practice,the luckier I get.''
One realizes that,information has a habit of coming one's way,if one keeps exploring all possible avenues.And that includes the ''the much underestimated'' elimination of purported evidence [?].
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Post by WelshChappie on Oct 16, 2015 7:22:27 GMT -8
Well this is just one tactic they use when they don't want to release something. But a second tactic they use shows that at least they have a sense of humor because I watched Nuclear Physicist turned UFO investigator (Wonder if He investigated Kjells 'Close Encounter' hehe) Stanton Friedman on TV the other week and He had, he said, filed request after request for documents relating to a group referred to as 'Majestic 12' or 'MJ12' and He just wouldn't go away and take no or denials of having what he requested and so He got given the documents He had asked for and brought them along with Him for the recording of the Documentary and showed them to the public on camera. He said 'As you can see, someone over there has a sense of humor' as He shows page after page of the material they had released to him, each page so heavily redacted that some pages had 3 words only in them that were not redacted, others had half a sentence here, full sentence there but over all the documents were 90% unreadable due to heavy redacting.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Oct 16, 2015 13:00:40 GMT -8
Yes,it can often come down to a battle of wills - ''they'' being determined to give you as little as possible,even though they are aware of ''your'' certain rights.What has always baffled me is who in this world,would find it a vocation in life to become a ''technical author'' for all the ''rules and regulations'' small print [?].
The Police,I have found,are far more straightforward.They prefer ''verbals'',since it cuts down on paperwork.And they have all started out settling ''domestics'',so do actually understand something about ''human dilemmas''and frailties.
With murders and major crimes,it's the junior detectives that the public really only get to deal with - which in itself is an education.Orders come down from ''up above'' on how interviews are to be conducted.They are primed,in many respects,but you can spot those with ambition and passion.Just as reporters dream about a big story breaking,young detectives long to be involved in a high profile case.
''Would be''amateur investigators have to be prepared to ''engage'' - from archive librarians to bureaucrats....then hopefully ''earn'' the attention of those that actually enforce the law.
And for the right reasons.
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Post by WelshChappie on Oct 23, 2015 4:27:13 GMT -8
Well I sometimes get blasted for stating my willingness to believe that authorities would engage in a cover up if, for example, they would be public shamed if the truth were known. As I said elsewhere, I understand why people not so much won't want to believe it, but more so, don't want to. Some people have a perception of, lets use the SFPD as example, as an agency that is there to serve their best interests and protect them the people. However, for me, this is to overlook the fact that before it can protect anyone else it must first protect itself. If there was no confidence in this police Dpt. to do what it states on the tin then it would be useless.
When Zodiac said 'PS - Two cops pulled a goof' and described the moment He was stopped and spoken to before being allowed on His way demanding 'MUST PRINT IN PAPER' the SFPD, in my opinion, needed to come up with an acceptable excuse to explain away this encounter and setting free the most wanted man Certainly in the State of Calif, probably the United States itself and so they invented the dispatcher description error of BMA to make their blunder and incompetence seem almost acceptable.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Oct 23, 2015 14:59:42 GMT -8
Salient points made there - particularly with respect to the inference of ''prioritized perception''by guardianship agencies like the SFPD - i.e. that the light in which they are viewed,can take precedence over actually getting on with the job in hand [?].
As a general example,like school education,the argument will always be between focusing on attending to teachers' needs,so that they are most able to teach - or concentrating children's educational requirements,and expecting teachers to just ''fall into line'' [?].
Serious examples of Police cover-up quite clearly,do happen...the Hillsborough Stadium disaster in Nottingham,England [1989],for example - twenty-five years for the Police to finally admit to their lies in covering up for imprudent decisions,made at the time.The bereaved waiting all that time for a very public ''blame game'' to finally be resolved.
What can be so disturbing,is that those that seek to cover up,believe that,even if eventually exposed,the time lapse will somehow reduce the impact of their furtive concealment.
''Two cops pulled a goof'' is probably quite minor,in the scheme of things [?].No doubt they got their backsides chewed by senior officers - but it is plain to see,that the post murder activities of the police in general,leaves much to be desired [?].
As a general observation on Zodiac's serious crimes,the Paul Stine murder has received as much public scrutiny as the other crimes put together.Why ? Because that was the one that took place in ''The Big City'' [?].Less seems to be expected of ''provincial''policing [?].There is a feeling that the SFPD,with its advantageous resources,could have done a better job - and there are many more people,within close proximity,to weigh in with criticism [?].
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Post by WelshChappie on Oct 24, 2015 11:56:22 GMT -8
"Serious examples of Police cover-up quite clearly,do happen...the Hillsborough Stadium disaster in Nottingham,England [1989],for example - twenty-five years for the Police to finally admit to their lies in covering up for imprudent decisions,made at the time
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Yep, and when they did hold their hands up it wasn't out of compassion for the families of the victims or empathy for those long overdue justice but because the incident wouldn't go away and, in my opinion, it was a begrudging admission and an apology made more so because they felt that's what was expected rather than them feeling genuine need to say sorry.
If you do something to cause me hurt and pain and I have to ask you for an apology then, that apology is meaningless because if you don't know you've done wrong and should apologise, then you saying sorry because I asked you to is exactly that, just doing something I ask. If I know I have wronged you or caused you hurt, suffering or loss then the apology I offer won't need to be requested from me and will be offered because I know what I did was wrong.
A forced apology if given in a letter of admisson is not worth the paper it is written on. It may as well start off with
"To whom it may concern, your concern has been brought to my attention and acknowledged by me in my own self interest to appear to do the right thing because I know this is what is expected of me. So, because I know it's what people want me to do, I hear-by do offer the most insincere apology for a wrong you claim I committed against you that I personally do not recognize.
Your's insincerely, Alex."
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Oct 24, 2015 13:37:54 GMT -8
I agree entirely,with your sentiments on ''apologies'',WelshChappie.
I ask rhetorically,is it my imagination,or is the world full of narcissists ? At least those whose self interest is beyond all moral principles ?
It's this ''forgiveness'' business that gets me the most.How can one forgive,if contrition is never even offered ? Or,if the merest acknowledgement of wrong doing,at a delayed time [...usually with remuneration package secured...],is presumed to suffice as an ''apology''.
As I have already outlined,I am not inclined to believe that the Zodiac case represents a ''pointed'' cover-up...certainly not on the scale of Mr.Lafferty's ''cabal'' claim - but there are aspects that don't exactly instill confidence in the public's perception [?].Perhaps,only because the case has remained unsolved for fifty years.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 18, 2015 8:56:00 GMT -8
In examining one specific aspect of the Zodiac case that has possibly engendered more ''myth'' over a cover-up,I offer Lyndon Lafferty's ''Cabal'' theory.
By 1971,The Vallejo Police had received numerous ''person resemblances'' and ''motor vehicle matches'' to one William Joseph Grant - a 50 year old local resident and sometime real estate salesman,currently down on his luck,and wrestling with alcohol and gambling problems.Mr.Grant appeared to be very much on the local forces ''radar'',though no real evidence had emerged through their inquiries.
Matters came to a head when local judge Sherwin was found beaten up in a car park - presumed to be by an assailant trying to steal his car.The significance of Sherwin's misfortune was that he was the boss,and known lover of Mr.Grant's wife,Marion,who was working as a legal secretary,at the time.
The Vallejo Police's [understandable] ''heavy handedness'' in dealing with Mr.Grant,backfired on them,with Mr Grant securing legal protection from perceived and proven police harassment,ad infinitum.Since the details of this court order took place behind closed doors,and since there remain a few,including Mr.Lafferty,convinced of Grant's Zodiac identity,the ''myth'' of a Cabal induced cover-up endures.
The Vallejo Police were crestfallen by this turn of events - but it is a salutary lesson for law enforcement,in general - go chasing after a suspect with ''diddly squat'' and no real commitment to at least arrest ''under suspicion of'',and a ''counter'' of that nature is a very real prospect.
Many believe that William Grant was innocent of all accusations,anyway [...the car park assailant was reported by Judge Sherwin,to be in his early twenties..].But a specific and prospective line of inquiry was denied by law enforcement,for ever more.Often ''associative information'' can lead to more ''telling'' leads - and this was now gone.
But nothing untoward about Mr.Grant's rights - and certainly no cover-up [?].
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Dec 5, 2015 2:43:24 GMT -8
Further to my previous post - this matter of court proceedings involving Mr.Grant :
Mr.Lafferty [....whom I have the utmost respect for....],should know,more than most,that Mr.Grant's ''beef'' with local law enforcement was a private matter and,in addition to exercising his right to have his concerns heard by the judiciary,equally held the right to have those concerns held,at the exclusion of the general public.
However,unlike many who merely dismiss Mr.Lafferty's numerous assertions regarding William Grant,I am sympathetic to Mr.Lafferty's general synopsis that ''something is rotten in the state of Denmark''.Time will only tell [?].
Given all the ''coincidences'',which surfaced from reports by members of the public and junior police officers [in the field] themselves,there is some persuasion that something was awry [?].
When most observers consider the prospects of William Joseph Grant being ''Zodiac'',they tend to collect a few ''general credentials'' together [...regular at Terry's,Cryptography skills,etc...] - then dismiss the possibility out of hand [....too old,preoccupied with personal problems,only a 'couple' of traffic violations,etc..].
What is actually persuading [?],is that Zodiac made some possible ''references'' to Mr.Grant,without actually mentioning his name [?].
Has anyone ever considered that Mr.Grant should be considered a ''victim'' of Zodiac ? With motive as ''Persecution'',at the very least [?].
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Post by WelshChappie on Dec 5, 2015 20:51:09 GMT -8
As for whether there was and still is a cover-up in place, Lyndon's Book and the claims made I must assume are circumstantial.
I will use their (them being SFPD) own official reports, statements & employees ever evolving statements as to the Oct 11 sequence of events.
Exhibit A: "For info of Ident Division. Eight year old witness in murder of Taxi Driver identified REDACTED NAME as possible subject in the matter."
WHAT! A ON SCENE WITNESS TO THE STINE MURDER WAS SPOKEN WITH AND POSITIVELY ID'D SOMEONE AS BEING RESPONSIBLE??? WHERE THE FK IS THIS IN THE POST CRIME POLICE RPTS?
Exhibit B: Black Male, wait....Not Black, but the word soundng similar to Black, that being WHITE, last seen heading Nrth on Mple St until He wasn't and has now evolved up the 7 steps of freedom outside 3712.
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Post by WelshChappie on Dec 5, 2015 21:00:50 GMT -8
And what about you Armond, care to comment on your encounter with the unknown?
"Man with Dog, who didn't have dog on sidewalk of Maple and actually on driveway. Person was Kjell Qvale until I realized it was not Kjell but...erm, ..someone else! I had traversed, ON FOOT one understands, from scene of crime all the way along Cherry, down Jackson and arrivied at Maple intersect leaping into the road...."BOOO!!"
I felt it was far safer to go on foot despite my having access to a prowl car based on the fudddle-nuddle yes-no please thing. Exposing myself to a shooter on the street was far safer than being in a fast moving target called 'vehicle.' I also believed tip-toeing after the naughty person who didn't pay for His taxi on foot instead of wheels rendered my having far better chance to catch up with a fleeing nut-job."
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Dec 6, 2015 2:09:32 GMT -8
Yes,it's astonishing what can emerge from historical police reports....to consider an eight year old witness to Paul Stine's murder,as a possible suspect does defy credulity - and sullies general credibility to other aspects of police investigations [?].
Perhaps,when LE finally catch Zodiac,they will ''really throw the book at him'' - this will include a charge of failing to pay a taxi fare [?].
There is a detective who worked the Paul Stine case in recent years,and agreed to talk with members of the website community,who claimed that Zodiac's handwriting would be easy to spot.Indeed,he cited a hypothetical example,where a policeman might be in a bank,and take note of the customer in front of him writing out a cheque [!].One can only imagine....a single cry of ''You're nicked'' - then we can all go home,and sleep well at night.
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