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Post by WelshChappie on May 27, 2014 8:27:48 GMT -8
Been thinking about the comment found on the inside page of 'Zodiac' in a public library. What, if anything, does it mean?
It can be hard to read in some parts so I will type the text out also:
ZODIAC.
"This is my story. I started the Zodiac case, and ended it. The last half of this book is theory. When I write the true ending it will shake the Earth.
Bettye Harden"
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Post by Ricardo on May 28, 2014 0:27:44 GMT -8
Bettye Harden and her husband, Donald, solved the Zodiac killer’s three-part 408-symbol cipher in August of 1969.
Later, Bettye Harden tried to solve the 340-symbol cipher which was sent in November of 1969.
Here are two theories about this comment inside the “Zodiac” book.
Theory #1: Bettye Harden was making a prediction that she would end the Zodiac case by solving the 340-symbol cipher just as she had solved the first cipher.
Theory #2: The Zodiac killer wrote this note and signed it as “Bettye Harden”, copying her handwriting.
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Post by WelshChappie on May 28, 2014 9:37:16 GMT -8
Don't know if that is clear enough to see as I can only paste this size photo but the 'B' that comes from the hand of Bettye in signing her name, and that of the 'B' constructed by Zodiac in 'Badlands' are identical.
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Post by Ricardo on May 28, 2014 23:44:11 GMT -8
I read the comments in the Zodiac book again and now I have another idea.
Is it possible that Bettye Harden had signed the book and then someone else wrote the comments sometime later?
Are we sure that the comments were written by Bettye Harden?
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Post by WelshChappie on May 29, 2014 10:05:49 GMT -8
"You are skeptical somewhat that the Hardens actually solved the three-part 408-symbol cipher."
No. Obviously Don & Bettye were the two that solved the Cipher, of that there is no argument. I suppose I am more suspicious rather than sceptical of their successfully cracking the cipher and wonder whether, given Bettye's comments in the book, if they were somehow involved in the creation of the Cipher in the first place that they then claimed to crack.
But yeah I see your point about Bettye's possible meaning behind the books comments but that's only to a certain degree. Her comment of "I started the Zodiac Case..." could very well be her making reference to her and Don's cracking the initial Cipher. However, she can't say, or has no basis to make the claim that "And I ended it" because she did not, and could not, end Zodiac/The Case. If she's hinting at her having solved the 340 and/or knows by some other means something of who Zodiac was then the obvious question is why not disclose it like you did with the 408?
To say "I started the Zodiac case, and ended it. When I write the true ending it will shake the Earth" can only imply one thing and that is, she has knowledge of something about this case that others are not privy to and when she decides to tell the public it will shake the Earth.
Now I know that most may think questioning Don and/or Bettye's extent of involvement in this case is not something that they will give any time to but I am only asking questions because of the way they say they solved the cipher, the fact that the professional code breakers couldn't decipher it, and the comments made by Bettye herself. It is a recognised characteristic of serial killers to interject themselves into their own case and it's investigation, usually under the ruse of being a witness or some other form of benign and somewhat helpful role.
The Harden's daughter said that her parents achievement in successfully solving the code was made all the more commendable because this was their first ever real attempt to decipher a complex code like that sent by Zodiac. She does state that her mother, Bettye, was extremely interested and fascinated with Graphology and that her Father, Don, did have the book 'Secret and Urgent' by Fletcher Pratt on his book case for as long as she remembers but no real extensive interest in Ciphers or Cryptography.
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Post by Ricardo on May 29, 2014 22:40:59 GMT -8
I am questioning whether or not Bettye Harden wrote these comments.
"This is my story. I started the Zodiac case, and ended it. The last half of this book is theory. When I write the true ending it will shake the earth!”
If Robert Graysmith wrote these comments, then it would make more sense.
If Bettye Harden did write these comments, then maybe she was imagining what the Zodiac killer would write?
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Post by zydeco's ghost on May 29, 2015 22:20:47 GMT -8
Wow. I'll have to think about this. Probably an elaborate hoax, but if not, then what, by whom, and why?
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Post by zydeco's ghost on May 29, 2015 22:32:15 GMT -8
But why's the 'B' the same? I mean if that's Bettye's actual signature?
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Post by Ricardo on Jun 2, 2015 23:21:40 GMT -8
But why's the 'B' the same? I mean if that's Bettye's actual signature? For comparison... Bettye Harden’s signature signature in book (1 of 2) signature in book (2 of 2)
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Post by Zydeco on Jun 3, 2015 2:04:51 GMT -8
You'd need the originals. So intriguing though. Is Salinas anywhere near Carmel?
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Post by Zamantha on Jun 6, 2015 20:50:25 GMT -8
But why's the 'B' the same? I mean if that's Bettye's actual signature? For comparison... Bettye Harden’s signature signature in book (1 of 2) signature in book (2 of 2) Thanks Ricardo, I find the Harden's interesting…
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Post by Sam Jam on Jul 12, 2017 4:20:44 GMT -8
I read the comments in the Zodiac book again and now I have another idea. Is it possible that Bettye Harden had signed the book and then someone else wrote the comments sometime later?
Are we sure that the comments were written by Bettye Harden?
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Post by LENA JENSEN on Feb 8, 2018 11:59:28 GMT -8
HAS ANYONE EVER GIVEN THOUGHT TO THE POSSIBILITY THAT BETTYE AND HER HUSBAND WERE THE KILLER (S)? IT IS PRETTY SHOCKING THAT NO ONE ELSE COULD BREAK THE CODE AND IF YOU REALLY LOOK, YOU CAN TELL IT IS MOST LIKELY NOT CORRECT. WHAT BETTER WAY TO PROVE THEY ARE SMARTER TAN BEING RIGHT UNDER THE NOSES OF THE INVESTIGATORS.
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Post by Sandy on Feb 12, 2018 7:56:34 GMT -8
HAS ANYONE EVER GIVEN THOUGHT TO THE POSSIBILITY THAT BETTYE AND HER HUSBAND WERE THE KILLER (S)? IT IS PRETTY SHOCKING THAT NO ONE ELSE COULD BREAK THE CODE AND IF YOU REALLY LOOK, YOU CAN TELL IT IS MOST LIKELY NOT CORRECT. WHAT BETTER WAY TO PROVE THEY ARE SMARTER TAN BEING RIGHT UNDER THE NOSES OF THE INVESTIGATORS. I think that there are at least two people who believe Don was Zodiac. I personally think that is far from the truth. There have been people who actually saw what Zodiac looked like and it wasn't even close to how Don Harden looked. It took a "common sense" approach to break the 340 code and that is what the Harden's used.
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Post by Trisha on Aug 12, 2018 7:04:56 GMT -8
If none of the experts knew what it said , how are they sure that it said what Harden said it said.
I too have thought that they were only able to decipher because he wrote it.
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