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Post by Ricardo on Aug 13, 2015 2:47:35 GMT -8
The Zodiac killer may have met Darlene Ferrin at Frank’s Coffee Shop and Sidney Mobell’s Jewelry Store on Geary Street in San Francisco. For anyone who is interested, here is a link to my report about it: Project MK-ZODIAC The Zodiac on Geary Street in San Francisco mk-zodiac.com/ZodiacGearyStreet.html |
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Post by Ricardo on Aug 30, 2015 3:24:35 GMT -8
I have been inclined to believe that Darlene knew Zodiac.In fact,I would go so far as to contending that Zodiac was the guy that Darlene hung out with while hitchhiking for a few months in Southern California 1965.Quite possibly the suited guy at Darlene's paint party,also.In addition,the ''creep'' stalking Darlene,as referred in the Husted report. The main problem surrounding any conjectured personal links between Darlene and Zodiac,is that Darlene comes across as an exceptionally popular and socially busy young woman.In addition,appearing to have possible connections to criminal activity,with rumors that she was ''creaming off the top''. All we are fairly certain of is,that Zodiac planned his major crimes with rigor.Not necessarily down to a specific day,but to a confined window of opportunity to decide when to strike.This may well have included finding out personal details about targeted victims. Perhaps with Darlene,Zodiac's knowledge extended a little further than ''homework'' [?]. There are many people who have different opinions about whether or not Darlene Ferrin actually knew the Zodiac killer. As you said, there is speculation that Darlene Ferrin could have met the Zodiac killer in Southern California. There is also speculation that they could have met in the Virgin Islands. Even if they did meet previously, they could have rendezvoused again at Darlene Ferrin’s house in Vallejo, Terry’s Waffle Shop in Vallejo, Frank's Coffee Shop in San Francisco, Sidney Mobell's Jewelry Store in San Francisco, etc.. Of course, if so, then the Zodiac killer would not have wanted to reveal this information. However, if they did not know each other, then the Zodiac killer missed an opportunity to confuse the police. Compare to how the writer of the confession hinted to have known Cheri Jo Bates. |
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Aug 30, 2015 6:52:53 GMT -8
I believe it is possible that Zodiac did confuse the police - but unwittingly so.
It surely isn't a ''crime'' to talk in speculative terms,but...
Say Zodiac moves up to San Francisco vicinity for work,knowing that even if avoids his old friend,Darlene Ferrin,with which he shares a ''dark'' secret,he might bump into her anyway.
So Zodiac elects to contact her,to sort of suss her out about the past....but Zodiac is finding that he is getting no feedback from Darlene...in fact he is getting little reaction from her at all.This could be because Darlene has ''current'' skeletons in her cupboard,and doesn't want to upset the apple cart.
So,looking at it from Zodiac's point of view,he has other ''nefarious'' fish to fry,and Darlene is being unhelpful,as to whether she might spread gossip about what she may have witnessed from Zodiac,in the past.
Zodiac finally becomes frustrated,and ends up making Darlene one of his victims....since this will keep her quiet - permanently.
PS Slick diplomatic work,Ricardo....probably for the best [?].
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Aug 30, 2015 10:41:13 GMT -8
I really think that is how it may have played out...that Zodiac didn't realize that Darlene was preoccupied with troubles of her own - particularly if.as suspected,she had been ''creaming off the top'',and that side of her life was closing in on her [?].
WelshChappie has pondered elements of luck for Zodiac - and that could have been a big slice for him.
It would be great to hear ''other versions'' from members [?].
Perhaps Zodiac was just a sentimental fool - or even a mental ghoul ?
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Aug 30, 2015 13:12:21 GMT -8
just re-reading that which I had conjectured earlier,I mean't to emphasize that ''luck'' would have constituted ''buying time'' after the attacks.The old adage of most murders not figured out by police in the first 48 hours,are never solved.
One feels as a general observation,that Zodiac had this ''buying time'' in mind,since they were malice aforethought in nature [?].Any tricks he could come up with,like decoy ploys,would be utilized.
On a personal note,it is no secret that I believe that he was a transient worker,operating in the SF vicinity - so I do believe that his major crimes were committed,close to a work related departure for him.He wouldn't be around when the post murder ''sparks'' were flying,and could ''enjoy'' his ''art'' from a safe distance.Then return again,when the dust had settled [?].
All conjecture....but other conjectures would be most welcome [?].
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Post by Ricardo on Aug 30, 2015 21:30:02 GMT -8
I believe it is possible that Zodiac did confuse the police - but unwittingly so. It surely isn't a ''crime'' to talk in speculative terms,but... Say Zodiac moves up to San Francisco vicinity for work,knowing that even if avoids his old friend,Darlene Ferrin,with which he shares a ''dark'' secret,he might bump into her anyway. So Zodiac elects to contact her,to sort of suss her out about the past....but Zodiac is finding that he is getting no feedback from Darlene...in fact he is getting little reaction from her at all.This could be because Darlene has ''current'' skeletons in her cupboard,and doesn't want to upset the apple cart. So,looking at it from Zodiac's point of view,he has other ''nefarious'' fish to fry,and Darlene is being unhelpful,as to whether she might spread gossip about what she may have witnessed from Zodiac,in the past. Zodiac finally becomes frustrated,and ends up making Darlene one of his victims....since this will keep her quiet - permanently. Continuing this line of speculation… If Darlene Ferrin was a witness to any criminal activity by the Zodiac killer, then how would the Zodiac killer know that Darlene Ferrin had not already told someone else? |
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Post by Ricardo on Aug 30, 2015 21:44:39 GMT -8
Here is an alternative theory...
Darlene Ferrin could have known about the Zodiac killer being inspired by the Zodiac watch sold at Sidney Mobell’s Jewelry Store on Geary Street in San Francisco, so the Zodiac killer murdered Darlene Ferrin before using the symbol and the name.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Aug 31, 2015 17:41:15 GMT -8
Interesting aspects of this hypothesized scenario to conjecture further....
Say,we accept that 1965 was their first meeting - two young adults ''kicking their heels'' in Southern California,trying to find and define themselves for the future.But ''Zodiac'' does something that most of us would find shocking,with Darlene a witness,who does not go running to the police.
Three years on,Zodiac knows that in the interim period,nothing untoward has happened,regarding the ''Dark Secret'' - so he is in the clear,but feels now,that he should reassure himself.
For Darlene,the ''Dark secret'' is something she would rather forget - even if she went to the police,she feels they might implicate her as an accomplice - but anyway,she has [criminal] concerns of her own - so it's best left in the past.
So when they do meet up again,she believes that she doesn't need to broach the subject,since it is a given,in her own mind,that neither she,nor he,will ''tell''.But this ''communicates'' to Zodiac that she may,or may not,be saving it for a rainy day....he really needs re-assurance,and can't understand why she is not giving it to him.
They start meeting a few times,but the ''catch up on old times'' has run out of petrol,and she is inclined not to embrace him into her social sphere.He starts to stalk her,as a reminder to her,that she is leaving him out in the cold,without re-assurances - therefore cannot be certain that her silence on the ''Dark secret'' will remain in tact.But it doesn't really occur to him that he is actually beginning to plain spook her,and making a situation sprout new wings,as opposed to quietly disappear.
With regard to your alternative theory,I wonder if Darlene was that attentive,or even interested in such matters [?].Of course the events of Friday Dec.20th 1968 would have been big local news,and there would have been much local gossip - but how many really read the papers [?].Many would have seen LHR as a single incident [?].
It was only after Darlene's murder that the ''Zodiac phenomenon'' started to carry momentum.Zodiac would not have been ''Zodiac'' to Darlene,in life ?
Any rejoinders,please ?
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Aug 31, 2015 18:25:07 GMT -8
Sorry Ricardo,to answer your question in more specific terms :
I don't believe the real person,who shared a ''Dark secret'' with Darlene Ferrin,had really considered the ''full branding'' of the Zodiac image,until after he had murdered Darlene.
The timeline of correspondences with Newspapers tends to support this conjecture.
In some respects,murdering Darlene liberated the real person in more ways than one [?].He had already started at LHR,but electing to do away with Darlene,now took out the one person that posed a threat to further macabre activities [?].
It left him free to ''become'' the branded monster.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Sept 1, 2015 11:55:06 GMT -8
Thank you Z finder for adding information.I had no idea that ''Frank'' was Darlene Ferrin's uncle.
It is interesting to hear that others are persuaded that Darlene knew her killer.In recent years there are a few who have simply stated that there is no concrete proof - well,I think that attitude is a ''cop out'' of much [albeit] circumstantial evidence that suggests otherwise [?].
I am persuaded though by ''Global Moderator's'' opinion that Zodiac's costume at Lake Berryessa was ''makeshift'',including a paper hood.Though,of course,this in no way dismisses the possibility that Darlene knew of a ''Zodiac'' based association with her unknown friend.
I have stated that Ricardo's ''watch'' theory inspired ''the branding'' for Zodiac - but I feel I must point out also that the two British Ford cars, The Ford Zodiac and The Ford Zephyr,both carried the same cross hair symbol on the hoods of their cars.
If law enforcement are also persuaded that Darlene knew ''Zodiac'',this specific case may still be the one that eventually cracks ''the whole'' [?].
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Sept 3, 2015 12:40:17 GMT -8
Just steering this section back to Darlene [with all respect to WelshChappie]...
We know Darlene Ferrin used ''Frank's Coffee Shop'' - perhaps a favored rendez-vous spot,whenever in SF.And undoubtedly would have been a ''browser'' at the very least,to the jewelry store.
Sidney Mobell's jewelry store sold Zodiac watches.Did ''Zodiac'' and Darlene meet at either,or both ? Was the jewelry store's merchandise an inspiration to ''Zodiac'' ?
If we assume that Darlene and ''Zodiac'' knew each other,they probably did meet at ''Frank's'',and other refreshment spots.Including even ''Terry's'' - if Mr.Lafferty's suspect wasn't who he believes,he was certainly someone else - who did use ''Terry's'' [?].
My feelings are that Darlene never knew her unknown friend as ''Zodiac''.But Sidney Mobell's store was an inspiration for the Zodiac self-branding.Perhaps the adverts in newspapers and magazines for Zodiac watches,also.Perhaps The Ford Zodiac as well.They were predominantly associated with the UK police fleet of vehicles,and ''starred'' in a popular police drama,called ''Z-cars'',on UK TV in the sixties.
An amalgam then,perhaps,to create the ''inspiration'' [?].
On a poignant note,I do believe that Zodiac did not have preconceived notions to murder Darlene.I think he saw her with fondness,but she upset him by her [perceived] evasive behavior,which eventually translated into representing a threat to Zodiac.
Their relationship and it's tragic outcome,was an ''operetta'',within the greater Opera ?
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Sept 4, 2015 10:26:57 GMT -8
Project MK-ZODIAC refers to a police report that Geary Street may have been where Paul Stine's perpetrator [Zodiac/Zodiac accomplice [?].] was picked up,prior to Mr.Stine's murder.
Does anyone have any further information on this ? [...WelshChappie ?].
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Sept 4, 2015 10:33:38 GMT -8
If nothing more than ,I can feel the Husted Report,coming on....
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Post by Ricardo on Sept 5, 2015 22:39:40 GMT -8
Project MK-ZODIAC refers to a police report that Geary Street may have been where Paul Stine's perpetrator [Zodiac/Zodiac accomplice [?].] was picked up,prior to Mr.Stine's murder. Does anyone have any further information on this ? [...WelshChappie ?]. According to the Department of Justice report, “Victim picked up suspect at Mason and Geary Streets”.  The intersection of Mason Street and Geary Street is just a short walk from Sidney Mobell's jewelry store at 2 Geary Street, the place which sold the Zodiac watches in 1969. Directions from 2 Geary Street to Mason Street/Geary Street |
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Sept 6, 2015 9:08:52 GMT -8
Thank you Ricardo,for the report.
The ''merest'' suggestion,perhaps,that the police don't want anyone having any notions that Mr.Stine's perpetrator was a policeman [!] [refer weapon section].
The Paul Stine murder is a conundrum,and in many ways most ''alien'' to the three couples' attacks [?].
One feels that the 5ft 10in height assessment is probably quite accurate.The teens would have been looking down on to the incident,but there was a very familiar taxi car,with which to judge ''scale'' [?].
This urban crime suggests that there may well have been more than one ''Zodiac'' [?].Perhaps an accomplice ''along for the ride'' on one of a ''single'' Zodiac's murders [?].
This is why I think it important that anyone pursuing a particular ''favored'' suspect,should not be put off by others' opinions.We could still have a ''dare'' club here [?].It only takes the removal of one card from the stack,to collapse the lot [?].
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