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Post by WelshChappie on Jul 30, 2014 22:16:22 GMT -8
The FOIA request for the release of names found in the FBI document Mike I cant understand why they told you they wouldn't release any names because they released on of them in my previous FOIA request as seen below: (Again, click image to enlarge)
The first POI name that's released, Robert Hale West is useful in that it shows a full name listed, (Robert Hale West opposed to Robert West) and the format of the DOB. Here's page two with Qvale's details edited in just to see if it would fit.
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Post by WelshChappie on Feb 26, 2015 11:58:28 GMT -8
I've sent two FOIA requests now for the release of the suspect identified by the Eight year old witness in Presidio Heights. The first FOIA I sent asking for the specific release of this named suspect, they replied by releasing a named suspect on the same page but not the one I had requested. They released 'Robert Hale West' who was one of four redacted names on this specific FBI Document. I again sent a FOIA being as specific as possible and stating that the suspects name I am requesting be released is the suspect that the Document states: "For Attn. of Ident. Division: Eight year old witness in murder of taxi driver identified *REDACTED NAME* as possible subject in the mater."
Now whoever He is, the redacted suspect, He has been IDENTIFIED by a witness on the scene that saw Zodiac in or around Paul's Cab. How can I be sure of this? Because it specifically states "Eight year old witness IN MURDER OF CAB DRIVER..." which suggests he saw Zodiac in the commission of the crime. He then subsequently appears to IDENTIFY a suspect at the scene or near by. Identify is synonymous with 'To point out. To know by sight. To give a name to.'
Whoever that child is or was, he is the only on scene witness to have picked someone out and identified someone as being Zodiac, and for some reason, the FBI won't release this suspects name. The last FOIA I submitted for the release of this name, I did so around the same time as the one requesting Kane's arrest record and background and I've received this in full long ago. Is it possible, based on this witness who in all probability identified a suspect on scene on Oct. 11, is it unreasonable to ask 'Do the SFPD already know who Zodiac is?' Certainly explains why the Dpt. has shown no interest in investigating the case post the 70's.
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Post by WelshChappie on May 17, 2015 12:46:35 GMT -8
My FOIA redacted suspect name release request is looking promising. Checked Status of pending FOIA and the latest is, as seen below if you click image to enlarge: "The FBI's FOIPA program has identified potential responsive information to your request and awaits assignment to a Government information specialist for further processing."  |
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Post by WelshChappie on Oct 5, 2015 21:12:13 GMT -8
Well it may be down to my simply being cynical in nature but for me, in the FOIA requests I have filed, there is one that I have filed numerous requests asking for the specific named yet redacted individual to be released and I point to the comment regarding the eight year old witness and the first time the Dpt of Justice replied by releasing the redacted name found in the same document of Robert Hale West, yet not the man named as identified by a witness and I have always thought this quite strange asking myself the hypothetical question: "What, did the FBI decide to release A Name and just hope I failed to notice it was not the one requested for release?"
FOIA Request No. 2 filed: This time they replied by deciding not to reply. Nothing, zilch. "Let us ignore the Welsh Pest and He will go away....hopefuly."
See releasing the non requested & therefore incorrect named individual while they go hit their foreheads and go... "Dohhh! We are sorry Alex it's just, we're slow and a bit stupid here at the most advanced and sophisticated Law Agency on the Planet.' All this does is make me more and more confident that they know something that they seem to wish to keep out of the public arena. This is my favorite type of arrogance this, where someone else will decide for me and the average man what we may and may not be privy to!
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Oct 7, 2015 3:20:18 GMT -8
Yes...if one is passionate about these sorts of things,which hopefully,most of ''us'' are - then it is an all too painful irony that these ''public servants'' often ''conveniently'' overlook the fact that their obligations rest on serving the public.
''They'' evolve into a oligarchy,where they somehow convince themselves,that,provided we don't bother them,they can just get on with ''serving the people'' in a way that ''they'' deem fit [?].
It can take years,and an extraordinary public failing,for politicians to be brave enough to challenge their ''edifices'' of power [?].
Sometimes ''we'' just want what is rightfully ours to access - but if it doesn't suit them - then its ''No way,Jose''.
For they know best [?!].
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Post by WelshChappie on Feb 6, 2016 17:11:08 GMT -8
But anyway, a question I keep seeing being asked is have I got a reply from my FOIA relating to the eight year old witness and who they Identified as Stine's killer.
The first FOIA asking for this release, they released Robert H. West, suspect named in the relevant document but not the one requested be released who was ID'd.
Second FOIA, No response to that one at all either way.
The most recent and pending FOIA/FOIPA I submitted I stated this will now be my Third Submitted Request and David Sobonya personally gave me His word that this would be sent to the DOJ and assigned a case officer under FOIPA and whatever the result, I will get informed by way of postage mail.
Having checked the status of the request last week it was 'In the initial processing stages at DOJ with case officer.' This week, checked status again and now it is back with the FBI who are processing the information relevant to my request.
The DOJ will be asked to make sure the privacy laws can be waived (aka the individual I want the name of is dead) and if this individual is alive, it is my experience that the DOJ themselves write and tell you that the name/info is exempt under the privacy Act. To have the DOJ send the request back to the FBI to me suggests they found the person who's name I requested in deceased, and is therefore not subject to privacy act, and inform the FBI as such. However, it's the FBI who now have the final say/decision to release or deny release.
One exemption for releasing info is if that info is deemed not to be in the interest of public to know, and/or as a reasonable chance that Civil Cases would be brought should that info be made public. FBI are processing my request after DOJ have reviewed it and returned it to them. Now it's a matter of just waiting, they received it in mid December.
As for publicly releasing.....
. . ."I have also met people, who'll be disappointed, some are angry, that we couldn't keep all our promises, above all our promise never to keep suspect name to myself, well to those people, I'd say this.....
"I'm sorry, so sorry, So So Sorry but there's no easy way to say that I'm sorry...
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Post by WelshChappie on Mar 3, 2016 6:05:17 GMT -8
Please note, the following is a message I first posted over at, and directly to, Richard who runs ZodiacCiphers.com so when you see references to Rich or Richard, this will be the reason as I am copying and pasting the same message here that I just posted there. So. . .
But all jokes aside Rich, and this is not really topic related to what you have written above so my apologies in advance, but I been thinking lately about the pending FOIA and what to do post the FBI/DOJ's response.
I been thinking of just stepping back from this case and it's online community if the current FOIA come's back with a non release of the requested Named individual for what-ever reason. I have made no secret of it Rich in saying that from my perspective, that redacted Name in that FBI document is a Name I personally think is the biggest lead in this case as it stands today and knowing who it is under that redact, for me, it's essential. I'd even go as far as to say Rich, I believe that it could be Zodiac's identity and I know that's a huge statement to make without any evidence I personally can show to warrant such a statement. I am certainly not saying that IS Zodiac, nor am I now, nor ever likely to, put all my eggs in one basket on one theory, concept or idea.
Now to them that react to reading such a comment with sceptical eyebrow raising (which they would be completely justified in doing) is ask them "Ok, well you show me the other many examples that are seen in this case where an on scene witness who see's Zodiac, then goes on to positively identify Him?"
There are no examples of this Rich anywhere, there is no evidence in relation to any suspect other than circumstantial, the kind of evidence no prosecutor would even consider going to trial with. This is the one clear and unequivocal solid piece of evidence that courtrooms and a Jury regularly accept, that being, eye witness testimony and/or identification. Yes, it is not the strongest form of evidence, but it's better than a theory, outranks the circumstantial and has been instrumental in convictions in many a courtroom.
I just struggle to see Rich where to go if the FBI won't release that name. You and I, along with the countless others, we could come up with new theories on everything in this case for the next 20 years and what will that do to help advance this case toward it's successful resolution?
Don't get me Rich it goes without saying I thoroughly enjoy our discussions, exchange of ideas and your opinions on a fact or event, but as much as I enjoy our interactions mate, you & I know that having a theory won't solve this case. We need something new in terms of physical evidence to advance any further than we have got to at this point.
We have discussed in recent conversations the SFPD and the Help they are on hand to offer, Helping to thwart, obstruct and derail any attempt to get hold of any new evidence and this is not my opinion or as I see it, this is the statements of Kelly Carol and His Former partner in Homicide Division at SFPD. And so, if the current or recent Detectives within it's own Ranks can't get near any official evidence from that which they have stored, what chance do you and I have?
Maybe I am wrong Rich and there is avenues out there to take to get to some new physical evidence, but I don't see them anywhere and this FOIA pending and it's success will determine whether it's time to move up to the next level and look into why this Individual named was identified by a witness because they released the name, or time to admit to myself that we've gone as far as we can with what we have and time to step back. With limited evidence the amount you can know is capped and once you reach that point, you simply can't go any further.
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Post by WelshChappie on Jun 3, 2016 5:40:42 GMT -8
My persistence paid off in requesting the release of the name of the suspect that a witness Identified as Zodiac in the Presidio Heights Event. This man named in the Document lived close to where Paul Stine was murdered, with both the suspect last seen heading for, and this guy's home, both on Jackson Street.
He was, back in 1969, right in the age range of Foukes "35 - 45" estimate.
Details to follow....
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Post by WelshChappie on Jun 7, 2016 16:38:51 GMT -8
For anyone interested in the Suspects name that was Identified as 'Possible Subject in this matter', that matter being the murder of Stine, I've uploaded the Document sent to Myself by the Dpt. of Justice showing His name. As shown below, The man's name was Xenophon (No E, misspelled in the document below) L. Anthony. 3218 Jackson Street. He would have been 38 years of age in 1969. Click Image to see larger detail.... |
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Post by Ricardo on Jun 9, 2016 22:45:45 GMT -8
WelshChappie, you deserve credit for following up to request the release of the name of the suspect! Now we know about Xenophon Lusby Anthony! I hope that someday we will have the police reports which would explain how the investigators eliminated Xenophon Lusby Anthony as a suspect. I thought, if ever released, we'd know this guy or recognize His Name, I was wrong. It's not Qvale anyway. It is certainly possible that Xenophon Lusby Anthony could have known Kjell Qvale or other people who are connected to the Zodiac case. Xenophon Lusby Anthony graduated from Harvard University in 1953. There were other suspects who also attended Harvard University. |
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Post by WelshChappie on Jun 28, 2016 7:46:27 GMT -8
WelshChappie, you deserve credit for following up to request the release of the name of the suspect! Now we know about Xenophon Lusby Anthony! I hope that someday we will have the police reports which would explain how the investigators eliminated Xenophon Lusby Anthony as a suspect. I thought, if ever released, we'd know this guy or recognize His Name, I was wrong. It's not Qvale anyway. It is certainly possible that Xenophon Lusby Anthony could have known Kjell Qvale or other people who are connected to the Zodiac case. Xenophon Lusby Anthony graduated from Harvard University in 1953. There were other suspects who also attended Harvard University. Thank You Ricardo, appreciate it. Here is a better quality upload..... As always, click image to enlarge the detail.  |
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Post by WelshChappie on Jun 28, 2016 13:37:52 GMT -8
Xenophon as a Name, like most other multi-syllable Names, is shortened to 'Xen' which is what Mr Anthony is referred to in His Obit.
Sorry No Cipher Sorry No Cipher. No, I didn't stutter. This apology was written on the inside of an envelope rather than in a actual letter. As You know, it was written crossing the phrase forming an X. Written on an ENvelope could it be a crude Cryptic message XEN as in X clearly shown on inside of Envelope, and One need only put the X and the EN together?  I am very much aware in bringing this up that if One looks long and hard enough, you can and will 'See' many things or connections. Or, at least, that which appears to be! |
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Post by WelshChappie on Jun 28, 2016 13:44:28 GMT -8
Ricardo said:
"I hope that someday we will have the police reports which would explain how the investigators eliminated Xenophon Lusby Anthony as a suspect."
Me too. I am just as much intrigued in the post-investigation of Xen as I am in discovering why not a single LE officer or agency gave one mention back in 69 that a suspect had been formally id'd by a witness!
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Post by WelshChappie on Jun 28, 2016 13:49:42 GMT -8
It isn't just your little 'insignificant' happening. LE touted: "We are following many leads and tips, but are we closer to catching Him? No."
Imagine the press conference...
"Nothing new, no solid leads or print matches, case is stalling and no new evidence has come to light. Ohh, well, except the positive Identification of a WMA by Name made by a on scene witness...."
This would be followed by a huge 'THUD' as Martin Lee falls off His chair: "WHAT!!!"
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Post by Ricardo on Jul 1, 2016 0:20:03 GMT -8
Xenophon as a Name, like most other multi-syllable Names, is shortened to 'Xen' which is what Mr Anthony is referred to in His Obit.
Sorry No Cipher Sorry No Cipher. No, I didn't stutter. This apology was written on the inside of an envelope rather than in a actual letter. As You know, it was written crossing the phrase forming an X. Written on an ENvelope could it be a crude Cryptic message XEN as in X clearly shown on inside of Envelope, and One need only put the X and the EN together?  I am very much aware in bringing this up that if One looks long and hard enough, you can and will 'See' many things or connections. Or, at least, that which appears to be! If “sorry no cipher sorry no cipher” was intended to be an “X”, then it could have been a fake clew by the Zodiac killer. I was pondering how Xenophon is a Greek word meaning “foreign voice” or “strange voice”. www.whatisthemeaningofname.com/what-is-the-meaning-of-the-name-xenophon-15840/There was a famous ancient Greek historian known as Xenophon of Athens. www.ancient.eu/xenophon/ |
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