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Post by Ricardo on Nov 6, 2016 23:26:59 GMT -8
After 50 years, Zodiac hunters, police still seeking Cheri Jo Bates’ killer www.pe.com/articles/bates-817672-zodiac-case.html[/font]It has been 50 years since Cheri Jo Bates was murdered and there is still hope that the crime can be solved. The Riverside Police Department confirmed that the case is still active and new scientific analysis of the evidence will be done. I hope that it will be possible to find out whether or not the DNA evidence from the Cheri Jo Bates crime scene matches the DNA evidence from the Zodiac killer.
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Post by Ricardo on Nov 6, 2016 23:47:49 GMT -8
With the fiftieth anniversary of the murder of Cheri Jo Bates,this coming week,there have been a number of references to her case,on the Zodiac websites,and how it fits in with the case of The Zodiac Killer. As has always remained,The Riverside Police have maintained jurisdiction in the case of Miss Bates,though many believe that Zodiac,a serial killer,was responsible for her murder. Following the murder of Darlene Ferrin,in July 1969,Zodiac was first recognized as a serial killer,and technically at least,the FBI assumed overall jurisdiction. Given that official handwriting expert,Sherwood Morrill,was convinced of the Zodiac authenticity of correspondences related to the Cheri Jo Bates,it has always been a mystery to outsiders,why the murder of Miss Bates,wasn't officially recognized as a Zodiac crime. Morrill,officially in the employment of The California State Department of Justice,was,effectively,unable to authenticate the handwriting,since The Riverside Police would not permit it,and there lies police and judicial politics,for which the general public have never been privy. In an interview to a Newspaper,that can be viewed within the FBI Zodiac files that have been released,Morrill talks in more detail on the various finds,that surfaced on the Bates case.He was adamant that all correspondences believed to be the work of Zodiac,did indeed,come from the hand of the serial killer. What may be of particular interest to the reader was,that this included the typed letter of confession.So,these experts aren't just about writing,which is the product of a crafted hand.The ''Confession'' letter,he added,was made with paper normally used for ''teletype'' or ''telex''.Perhaps,Zodiac had regular access to office facilities [?]. On a more general observation of Zodiac's ''stationary'' use,the cards,of course,could be traced to manufacturers,and to an extent,possible retail outlets.But most of the writing paper,was of a cheap ''pulp'' variety,with little,or no opportunities,to ascertain source. With regard to Zodiac's actual handwriting,Morrill was not wholly convinced that Zodiac employed devices,such as projectors,to vary his style.Morrill's interpretation was that Zodiac was just very adept at creating variety of style,by hand. Zodiac enthusiasts,in the majority,see the Cheri Jo Bates case,as ''one of Zodiac's''. Starting this coming week,the ''fiftieth anniversaries'' begin also,therefore. The watch and the shoeprints at the Cheri Jo Bates crime scene both indicated a connection to the military. The teletype paper could also have been obtained from a military base. A few years later, the Zodiac killer would use paper from different sources.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 7, 2016 7:22:02 GMT -8
An excellent Press Enterprise article materializing,Ricardo,and salient points made by you.
It was good that a few website community members made the journey,to mark the tragic death of Cheri Jo Bates.That there is human interest in evidence,keeps the torch for justice,alive,so to speak.And I am sure that this does not go unnoticed,by Law Enforcement,themselves.
One senses that The Riverside Police are beginning to ''relent'' a little,in their perceived hold over jurisdiction,in the case of Miss Bates.Perhaps more opportunities have emerged,recently,and that they no longer see Federal Law Enforcement,as some sort of threat to their ''independence'',on this case [?].
Forensic material from the case of The Zodiac Killer,could be that which allows a breakthrough in her case [?].Some may be unaware that hair samples were found in certain envelopes,of correspondences from Zodiac...as well as gleaned fingerprints,palm prints and,one assumes,material for DNA analysis.
Yes,this possible military connection,has forever ''followed'' Zodiac's case.It may well yet prove accurate.Personally,I believe that Zodiac was a ''military copycat'',and procured many items,through mail order and military surplus stores.It may prove to be the case that being turned down by the military,contributed to his ''anti-establishment'',as well as extreme ''anti-social'' behavior [?].
One would have thought that,had Zodiac been in the military ''proper'',he would have been easier to trace [?].
Perhaps Zodiac,as an embittered ''reject'',vowed to become a ''one man army''.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 18, 2016 14:42:22 GMT -8
With reference to paper source,Ricardo,and as you have indicated,there is an example of identified writing paper used by Zodiac.
It is my understanding that the three letters sent to SF Chronicle,SF Examiner and Vallejo Times,July 31st 1969,were on paper,with a watermark ''Fifth Avenue''.
The FBI traced this watermark to F.W.Woolworth Company in New York.
Unfortunately,it appears that this paper was distributed all over America.
Unsurprising,since ''Woolworth'' were such a huge company [?].
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Post by Ricardo on Nov 21, 2016 0:20:41 GMT -8
Presumably, the Zodiac killer decided to use the writing paper which which could be bought at any Woolworth’s store because it would be more difficult to trace than other types of paper.
Maybe the Zodiac killer thought using the teletype paper was a mistake that was made in Riverside in 1966 because there was a possibility that the teletype paper could have been traced to a military base.
If the Zodiac killer had any connection to the military, whatever type of connection it might have been, then by 1969 he realized that it would be necessary to conceal it to avoid being caught.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 21, 2016 8:56:39 GMT -8
These are interesting debating points,worth further rumination.
It does seem likely that Zodiac selected writing paper,available ''en masse''[?].The FBI talked about the Woolworth paper,unfortunately not ''indented''.One can only assume that this referred to ''batches'' of distribution [?].Sometimes Law Enforcement can,at least,narrow down a product mass produced,to batches,that indicate specific shipment.But ''no luck'',in this case.
I can't really answer for the teletype paper,but one assumes that there were very few manufacturers of this particular paper type [?].Virtually no one had a telex machine at home,so Zodiac had to have removed it from an office,to which he had access [?].It is possible that the teletype paper was actually for a specific type of machine [?].
Yes,I'm sure you are right to assume that Zodiac would have realized that ''open secrets'' or clues to a military connection,might have sealed Zodiac's fate.
The ''Wing Walker'' shoes or boots,established at Lake Berryessa,appeared to have opened the floodgates on debate over Zodiac's possible military connections.Perhaps unlikely that that footwear was actually available at Military surplus stores.
But,having done some research into Texas A&M University,I am aware that they received a substantial supply of Wing Walkers.Texas A&M University are a military affiliated education establishment,with up to 90% of students becoming military cadets,and are seen,naturally,as a ''feeder'' for the real military.
So,it is also possible that Zodiac obtained Wing Walkers,previously,as a cadet,or from a military affiliated college [?].
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Post by Ricardo on Nov 22, 2016 1:22:50 GMT -8
Presumably, the Zodiac killer decided to use the writing paper which which could be bought at any Woolworth’s store because it would be more difficult to trace than other types of paper. Maybe the Zodiac killer thought using the teletype paper was a mistake that was made in Riverside in 1966 because there was a possibility that the teletype paper could have been traced to a military base. If the Zodiac killer had any connection to the military, whatever type of connection it might have been, then by 1969 he realized that it would be necessary to conceal it to avoid being caught. As concerns Cheri Jo Bates, her father and her brother had military connections. The father of Cheri Jo Bates was a P-47 Thunderbolt pilot. p47pilots.com/P47-Pilots.cfm?c=incP47BiographyHome.cfm&vm=BIO&pilotid=24&p=Joseph%20C.%20BatesThe brother of Cheri Jo Bates was in the Navy. The killer of Cheri Jo Bates could have been someone who was acquainted with either her father or her brother.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 23, 2016 22:40:07 GMT -8
Yes,the circumstances of her actual murder seem so clouded in mystery and debate.
Not made any easier by the decision by The Riverside Police to ''cling'' on to it,resisting,what appears to be attempts by the FBI,to ''assist'' [?].
Clearly,the local police were within their rights to keep the case separate from ''The Zodiac collection'' - but given Sherwood Morrill's views on the handwriting,which was shared by the FBI,one feels that potential progress was thwarted [?].
Even if Zodiac was just responsible for the handwriting,as someone perhaps,obsessed with the case,the ''weight'' of Federal resources could have made a difference,for the good [?].
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Aug 23, 2017 12:34:01 GMT -8
A Timeline to public awareness ------------------------------
On October 20th 1969,Sheriff of Napa County,Earl Randol,sent Captain Donald Townsend of The Riverside Police,a letter,confirming in writing a conversation that they had had,with respect to similarities between the murder of Cherie Jo Bates and acts perpetrated by the Zodiac Killer.This telephone conversation had taken place,three days earlier,on October 17th 1969,and had included a discussion regarding accompanying correspondence,in both cases.
We move forward one year.....
On October 12th 1970,Zodiac mails his Halloween Card to Paul Avery,at the San Francisco Chronicle.
The SF Chronicle decide to wait till the day of Halloween,October 31st 1970,to publish details of the card,as a perceived threat on Paul Avery's life.The decision pays dividends in readership and sales of the newspaper [!].
In the days following the publication,the SF Chronicle receive hundreds of letters,and from all over the world.In the main,sympathy for the hapless Mr.Avery [!].
Paul Avery personally receives a letter from an anonymous writer,claiming that he had contacted The Riverside Police with his theory that Zodiac was responsible for the murder of Cherie Jo Bates.
Avery immediately contacts [now] Riverside Police Captain Irv Cross.Cross tells Avery that he is aware of this ''anonymous writer'',who has written to Cross on several occasions.The writer has left a name,but they are unable to confirm his identity,on account of sending these letters from a number of different cities.Avery also learns,from Cross,that the writer has also written to Sergeant Lynch,of The Vallejo Police,with a similar theory.
Captain Cross agrees to send some relevant material to Avery,which Avery receives in the post,on November 9th 1970.
Within two hours of receiving the post from cross,Avery is on the next available flight to LA.
On Avery's return from Riverside,he contacts Documents Examiner,Sherwood Morrill,and hands over copies of correspondence evidence,pertaining to the Cherie Jo Bates case.
Even dealing with copies,it does not take Morrill very long,to be confident that the authorship of the material belongs to The Zodiac Killer.
On Tuesday,November 17th 1970,the SF Chronicle publish an article on the Cherie Jo Bates connection.Penned by Paul Avery,it is entitled :''Zodiac link is definite''.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Aug 23, 2017 13:30:07 GMT -8
Just as it has always been assumed that Languages Historian,Gareth Penn,was largely responsible for shedding public light on a possible Zodiac connection,to the Joan Webster case [November 1981],so Paul Avery has been attributed with similar exposure,with respect to the case of Cherie Jo Bates [October 1966].
In both cases,there is evidence of correspondence,accompanying the act of murder.The only difference being that the public have yet to be privy to the correspondence in Ms.Webster's case.The unanswered question,in both cases,is whether ''the scribe'' is also ''the perpetrator'' [?].
In both cases,also,it is now known that Law Enforcement were ahead of the public,in knowledge of a possible link.
Paul Avery's ''tip'',came by way of an anonymous writer,of whom the police were already aware.Though the public remain unaware of whether the police ever ascertained the writer's actual identity.The same can,of course,be said for the ''anonymous informant'',in the ''case'' of The Husted Report...an illegally compiled document by Lt.Husted,into the murder of Darlene Ferrin,suggesting that William Joseph Grant might be The Zodiac Killer.Indeed,this also goes for the ''key'' letter to Sergeant Lynch,from ''a concerned citizen'',with regard to Zodiac's ''408'' cipher solution.
But,re-focusing on Paul Avery's ''anonymous writer''.....an obvious question is whether this person was Zodiac,himself [?].
Was the letter sent to Avery,in the wake of the publication of the Halloween Card,an attempt by Zodiac,to perpetuate the public spotlight on himself [?].
Zodiac,in ignorance of LE already aware of the possible Cherie Jo Bates link,electing to ''pull out of the draw'' an ''old stunt'',for ''extra mileage'' [?].
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Aug 23, 2017 14:05:37 GMT -8
The following is the contents of the letter written to Paul Avery,following the publication,by the SF Chronicle,of the Halloween Card,on October 31st 1970.
With gracious acknowledgement to Robert Graysmith,and faith in his accurate reportage.
The ''anonymous writer'' writes the following :
''Please forward the contents of this letter to the detective in charge of ''The Zodiac Murder Case''.I hope this information will also help you,as we both would like to see this case solved.
As for myself,I wish to remain anonymous and know that you will understand why !
A few years ago in Riverside,California,a young girl was murdered,just about,I believe,on ''Halloween'' evening ! I could write a much longer letter,citing the similarities between Zodiac's case and this murder,which occurred in Riverside,but if the police department cannot see said comparative similarities between these two cases,then I will take a ''slow boat to China'',even if these crimes were committed by two different people ! I think,after all the facts are studied,regarding both these cases,if the police have not investigated these probabilities and are not already aware of the ''Riverside case'',then,even so perhaps they should look into it....
Letters to newspapers,''similar erratic printing'' find out about these two different cases......Give Captain Cross a call on the phone,he knows that ''I do not quit''.
Mr.Avery,I will give you a call in the near future,please look into this case,the Riverside police have a wealth of information,so does San Francisco,let us hope they are not too proud to work together,and if they already are,let us hope there has been an exchange of information.....''.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Aug 23, 2017 14:35:06 GMT -8
The implication being that,despite the ''anonymous writer's'' claims of ''harrying'' Captain Cross.....at the very least,Napa Police and Riverside Police would have already discussed a possible link between Zodiac and Cherie Jo Bates,and at least a year prior.
Napa Police would have had a legal obligation to have informed the FBI of this ''liaison'' with Riverside Police since,by then,the FBI would have had jurisdiction over the Zodiac case,on account of it being officially,that of a serial killer.
In addition,the California Department of Justice would unlikely to have been,left out of the loop.
So,the ''anonymous writer'' is really ''craving'' for the ''Riverside link'' to be made public,rather than concern that the police were not listening to him [?].
If we then move forward to March 13th 1971.....a letter mailed to the LA Times,from Zodiac,in a seemingly ''confident'' frame of mind....and four months following Paul Avery's ''Zodiac link is definite'' article,in the SF Chronicle :
''.....I do have to give them credit for stumbling across my riverside activity,but they are only finding the easy ones,there are a hell of a lot more down there...''
Yes,Zodiac ''back in control''.....having ''directed proceedings'',to his desires [?].
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Sept 30, 2017 8:27:11 GMT -8
In 2012,Creator of the Zodiackillersite website,Mike Morford,was given the name ''Phil Sins'',as the identity of the person who wrote the ''Slow boat to China'' letter,to Paul Avery,which suggested a link between the Cherie Jo Bates,and Zodiac cases.
Mr.Morford,was able to contact Phil Sins....a real person,in his eighties.
Mr.Morford states that Phil Sins made the following claims :
i] He did not write any letter to Paul Avery....he called him,by phone.
ii] He,Phil Sins,only became involved with the Riverside Police,after having phoned Paul Avery.
iii]He,Phil Sins,subsequently met Paul Avery,but was never privy to initial viewings of correspondence and the Desk Top poem.
iv] Captain Cross,of the Riverside Police treated him,as a suspect,and was subsequently asked for,and gave,hair samples to the Riverside Police.
v] At no time,did the Riverside Police seek Handwriting samples from him,Phil Sins.
vi] As an ''armchair sleuth'',he,Phil Sins,first had suspicions,through ''Halloween'' coincidences,and the general taunting nature,as perceived in the first Zodiac letters.
vii] He,Phil Sins,continued a phone relationship with Paul Avery,after the Bates correspondences were made public,and further Zodiac correspondences emerged.
Mike Morford,in his telephone interview of Phil Sins,read out the ''Slow boat to China'' letter to him.Phil Sins had no recollection of the letter,nor actually writing it.
Mike Morford makes a ''diplomatic'' case for Phil Sins' advanced age,but I think most would agree,from the interview,that Mr.Sins has most of his faculties,in tact [!].
So,it would seem,that the Riverside Police have ''fed'' Mr.Morford,and possibly other members of the public,the name of ''Phil Sins'',and more worryingly,Phil Sins,himself,as a law abiding,member of the public.
Why,one might ask,have the Riverside Police done this ?
Either the Riverside Police know the identity of the scribe,who wrote the ''Slow boat to China'',or they don't.
But why pick on Phil Sins ?
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Oct 12, 2017 4:41:43 GMT -8
Telling coincidences in the Desktop poem [?]. ---------------------------------------------
Following a cipher analysis article,by Dave Oranchak,which made mention of Edward Hyde,Earl of Clarendon,and sometime poet,Richard Grinnell of Zodiac Ciphers,found an interesting line of Hyde's poetry :
''They who are most weary of life,and yet are most unwilling to die''
If we compare this line with,what appears intended as,the title of the Desktop poem :
''Sick of living / unwilling to die''
One can see that,not only do the two lines share ''unwilling to die'',but the meaning derived from both lines,are the same.
The obvious inference is,that the author of the Desktop poem,has plagiarised the line from Edward Hyde's poem.And naturally,our inclinations are,that this person is The Zodiac Killer.
Edward Hyde,Earl of Clarendon,achieved fame by becoming King Charles II's Lord Chancellor,and leading England and its colonies,out of a troubled 11 year period of Republicanism,under the leadership,of Oliver Cromwell.
London's famous ''Hyde Park'' is named after him.But as a poet,he is little known.
However,it appears more than likely,that when Robert Louis Stevenson set about writing a novel about a man who is seized by an evil ''second self'',he adopted Hyde's name in his work : ''The Strange Case of Dr.Jekyll and Mr.Hyde'',with Dr.Henry Jekyll becoming addicted to a self concocted potion,that turned him into the ''amoral'' Mr.Edward Hyde.
Jekyll found himself becoming addicted to this potion,although he was aware of the consequences of his ''counter self'',Edward Hyde's actions.And one day,indulging in the potion and,realizng there was none left,and no antidote,would remain as the evil Mr.Hyde,for evermore.With this depressing thought Dr.Jekyll commits suicide.
One can perhaps,see parallels with Zodiac and the case of ''Jekyll and Hyde''.A man who developed a split personality,with good and evil,and to an extent,acknowledging his bad side...with an occasional ''disclosure'' that he was concerned that it would take him over.Latterly,it would seem,that evil did take over Zodiac.....but he was never to ultimately,give himself up,or commit suicide,over the matter.
Concerning the Desktop poem,in particular,there is compelling evidence that its author plagiarized Edward Hyde's poetry.
Did the ''author'' spot the ironic link,with namesake ''Mr.Edward Hyde'' ?
Was the author of the Desktop poem,Zodiac,with another of one of his ''clews'' ?
Documents Examiner,Sherwood Morrill,certainly thought so.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Oct 13, 2017 5:33:03 GMT -8
With reference to my last post,and to be strictly accurate,it was H G Wells,who elected to re-name the park in London,as ''Hyde Park'',having started as ''Serpentine Park'',in his book ''War of the Worlds''.
This ''fictional'' re-naming,was in order to muster all the evil forces,to combat the Invaders from Mars [!].
Hence,and with measured confidence,we can add ''The Strange Case of Dr.Jekyll and Mr.Hyde''.......and ''War of the Worlds'',to Zodiac's ''library collection''.
Hopefully,this is just a ''foot in the door'',as a start on ''Zodiac authentication'' of the Bates correspondences,by ''credulity of composition'' [?].
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