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Post by Rubislaw32 on Sept 15, 2015 14:37:59 GMT -8
Can anyone help here ? With respect to the distinctive symbol associated with The Halloween card,that WelshChappie has noted,as showing close resemblance to a Phoenician symbol.
About a year ago,I was viewing some illustrations by Fred Harman,and came across one of Red Ryder's Painted Valley ranch.What struck me was the similarity of that same Halloween card symbol,and the branding mark on the cows that Red Ryder kept.
Anyone spotting it,please do post it on this website.
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Post by Ricardo on Jan 10, 2016 1:45:58 GMT -8
Can anyone help here ? With respect to the distinctive symbol associated with The Halloween card,that WelshChappie has noted,as showing close resemblance to a Phoenician symbol. About a year ago,I was viewing some illustrations by Fred Harman,and came across one of Red Ryder's Painted Valley ranch.What struck me was the similarity of that same Halloween card symbol,and the branding mark on the cows that Red Ryder kept. Anyone spotting it,please do post it on this website. Robert Graysmith's 2002 book "Zodiac Unmasked" mentioned the cattle brand.  The cattle brand is similar to the unknown symbol printed on the Halloween card and envelope sent by the Zodiac killer. The cattle brand is shown on this print of Fred Harmon’s Red Ryder Ranch. historical.ha.com/itm/books/fred-harman-s-red-ryder-ranch-print-approx-1125-x-14-inches-one-vertical-crease-very-good/a/201226-93418.s |
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Post by Ricardo on Jan 10, 2016 1:55:57 GMT -8
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Jan 16, 2016 4:02:42 GMT -8
I am very pleased that you have posted Fred Harmon's ''cattle brand'' symbol.There have been countless interpretations of what is often referred to as,the ''ZVF'' symbol.It does seem that this symbol is the ''best'' possibility,until someone is able to find a symbol more compelling [?].In later years,Fred Harmon adopted his cattle brand symbol,as a personal logo,for letter writing headings,etc.
To focus a little further on the ''Flying VF '' symbol,which cartoonist Fred Harmon employed as a cattle brand :
We can all go ''round the houses'' looking for a more precise replication,but in all the years since the ''Dripping Pen Card'' has emerged in the public domain,nothing quite as similar,has been found.If we ''flatten'' the ''Flying VF'' symbol,as Zodiac appears to have done,what actually becomes apparent ? I would suggest we now see an abstract mountain range,with a peek to the left,and a twin peek,to the right.And,in the ''valley'' emerges symbolism of Zodiac's eyes and motorcar headlights.
Speculation,I know,but it was always ''on the cards'' that Zodiac was going to want to ''personalize'' aspects of his ''representation'' - ''Influence'',as opposed to ''Direct Copy'' [?].
So Zodiac may have been familiar with Fred Harmon's illustrations - and possibly ''Red Ryder'',in particular [?].Another snippet of coincidence emerges in the possible suspect,that keeps coming back to haunt us [?].A certain William Grant - whose 429th squadron of The 380th Bombardment Group carried a symbolic mascot - ''Little Beaver'',the native American adopted son of Red Ryder.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Feb 16, 2016 12:30:45 GMT -8
Interesting stuff,Ricardo.As so is often the case,eclecticism or ''beg,steal and borrow'' is the usual rule of thumb - as opposed to ''direct copy'' [?].
I recently came across a website contributor's suggestion that registered cattle brands from Colorado and Texas had influenced Zodiac,in his selection of symbols - beyond of course,the standard alphabet and its mirror images.The ''infamous'' eight-ball symbol,which featured in the ''my name is - '' cipher is presumed to have been lifted from the Colorado brands.Zodiac has also employed some standard Algebraic notation.
A ''mixed bag'' appears to be the likely scenario - plus the odd symbol ''personalized'' by Zodiac,himself [?].I have noted the ''curious'' symbol [..and its mirror image..] that appears in the ''340'' - character number 339,out of 340,will direct the reader to which one I refer.I can't help noticing its resemblance to the ''Reprise Record'' label symbol.A company famous for Frank Sinatra's musical output in the sixties,and beyond.
As for a code ''method'',this could involve much research,without a definitive answer [?].But while on the subject of possible influence,I should like to bring the reader's attention to a book called ''The Code Breakers''- The Story of Secret Writing - by David Khan,and published[first] by Macmillan & Sons in 1967.This book caused a political row before offered to the public,on account of revealing information shared by USA and UK security agencies.
More particularly,it gains a mention in Lyndon Lafferty's ''The Zodiac Killer Cover-up''.In believing that William Grant to be ''Zodiac'', Mr.Lafferty chased this book down at the Fairfield Civic Center Library.He found that ''The Code Breakers'' had first been checked out on February 13th 1968 - then,effectively hung on to,by the same person [...by checking the book in and out...]until August 20th 1969.
Mr.Lafferty,with assistance from a librarian,found that the person holding on to the library's copy was,officially,William Grant.HOWEVER [!],the signatory had used the name : [first name undisclosed to the public] - but with surname ''Grant''.
At the time,Lafferty photocopied this signatory's ''signature'',handing it over to a handwriting expert,who was unable to confirm a match with William Grant's handwriting.
No doubt,Fed.LE have this ''finding'' in hand [?].
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Post by Ricardo on Feb 24, 2016 23:09:04 GMT -8
I am very pleased that you have posted Fred Harmon's ''cattle brand'' symbol.There have been countless interpretations of what is often referred to as,the ''ZVF'' symbol.It does seem that this symbol is the ''best'' possibility,until someone is able to find a symbol more compelling [?].In later years,Fred Harmon adopted his cattle brand symbol,as a personal logo,for letter writing headings,etc. To focus a little further on the ''Flying VF '' symbol,which cartoonist Fred Harmon employed as a cattle brand : We can all go ''round the houses'' looking for a more precise replication,but in all the years since the ''Dripping Pen Card'' has emerged in the public domain,nothing quite as similar,has been found.If we ''flatten'' the ''Flying VF'' symbol,as Zodiac appears to have done,what actually becomes apparent ? I would suggest we now see an abstract mountain range,with a peek to the left,and a twin peek,to the right.And,in the ''valley'' emerges symbolism of Zodiac's eyes and motorcar headlights. Speculation,I know,but it was always ''on the cards'' that Zodiac was going to want to ''personalize'' aspects of his ''representation'' - ''Influence'',as opposed to ''Direct Copy'' [?]. So Zodiac may have been familiar with Fred Harmon's illustrations - and possibly ''Red Ryder'',in particular [?].Another snippet of coincidence emerges in the possible suspect,that keeps coming back to haunt us [?].A certain William Grant - whose 429th squadron of The 380th Bombardment Group carried a symbolic mascot - ''Little Beaver'',the native American adopted son of Red Ryder. Destroyer Squadron 23 used Little Beaver as its mascot during World War II. destroyerhistory.org/fletcherclass/desron23/According to a letter written by U.S. Navy Captain Arleigh Burke which was sent to Fred Harman, one of the torpedomen suggested using Little Beaver. destroyerhistory.org/fletcherclass/index.asp?r=4230&pid=4235 |
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Feb 26, 2016 13:40:18 GMT -8
Nice to see an illustration of ''Little Beaver''posted,Ricardo.It was interesting to read about the Destroyer Squadron 23,and their work carried out in WW2.''Little Beaver'' clearly represented ''Youth,Stealth and Bravery'',and was seen as an appropriate mascot.
William Grants 429th Squadron of USAAF's Bombardment Group,was a reconnaissance unit,whose Pacific missions were no less brave than those made by actual bombing units.
William Grant appears to have avoided any ''active duty'' service,on account of teaching secondments and extended illness.Lyndon Lafferty accuses Mr.Grant of being Zodiac,and yet it is unlikely that Mr.Grant ever killed anyone - and this includes the whole of WW2.
However,as appears to be increasingly apparent,there are many unexplained connections between Zodiac and Mr.Grant - and one can understand Mr.Laffert's suspicions,even if not being persuaded by his judgement.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Mar 6, 2016 1:45:21 GMT -8
I believe it needs to be emphasized that the 1962 Colorado Brand Book that can viewed online is,more than likely,the very copy that Zodiac leafed through,and acquired the idea of the ''eight-ball'' symbol for the ''my name is -'' cipher.Probably where Zodiac noticed Fred Harmon's brand also - though Zodiac may well have been aware of ''Red Ryder'' previously.
Ms.Roper Brown's symbol is actually,unique,in that the lines of the figure of eight ''touch'' the surrounding circle.
These Brand Books are very few in quantity,and Berkeley University have acquired their's for the purpose of social history documentation.
One might note that the printing quality of the book is ''in house'' or of ''cottage industry'' standard.Books of this nature are really only printed for just a few ''offices'',such as local government and ''agriculture and livestock'' associations.
Given Berkeley University's stamp date [1964],and the book's rarity,it is most unlikely that Zodiac found the ''eight-ball'' from any other source.
I believe it is becoming apparent,if not already noted,that Zodiac was a regular library user - and felt ''at home'' trespassing on University premises,where security checks are well known to be close to ''non-existent''.
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Post by Ricardo on Jan 2, 2017 18:56:31 GMT -8
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Post by Ricardo on Jan 2, 2017 19:17:43 GMT -8
Here is the brand from the 1962 Colorado Brand Book which is similar to the symbol (in the 13-symbol cipher) which was used in the letter sent by the Zodiac killer on April 20, 1970.   |
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Post by Ricardo on Jan 2, 2017 19:19:53 GMT -8
Here is the brand from the 1962 Colorado Brand Book which is similar to the symbol which was used in the Halloween card sent by the Zodiac killer on October 27, 1970.   |
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Jan 2, 2017 23:36:53 GMT -8
Nice work to put the Helen Roper Brown and Fred Harmon symbols in the spotlight,Ricardo.
I believe that the very copy of the 1962 Colorado book,viewed online,now,is the same book that Zodiac physically leafed through,at Berkeley.
PowerLord recently alluded to the Diablo Mountain Range [...The ''Devil''Range..],and I stand by the theory that Zodiac ''personalized'' the Fred Harmon symbol,that appears on both The Halloween Card envelope,and on the card itself.
A representation of Zodiac's eyes and his car headlights emerging from the mountain ''scape'',where he was want to ''patrol'',with nefarious intentions.
In addition,the Helen Roper Brown symbol being a very specific variation on the ''eight-ball'',and not the standard ''eight-ball'',as is generally known.
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Post by BeggingZone9160 on Feb 20, 2021 10:13:49 GMT -8
Can anyone help here ? With respect to the distinctive symbol associated with The Halloween card,that WelshChappie has noted,as showing close resemblance to a Phoenician symbol. About a year ago,I was viewing some illustrations by Fred Harman,and came across one of Red Ryder's Painted Valley ranch.What struck me was the similarity of that same Halloween card symbol,and the branding mark on the cows that Red Ryder kept. I am very sorry. Anyone spotting it,please do post it on this website. In prison, sometime they grow catle, they are branded. It is also a sigil. Welsh Chapie - the name flying V - astrological sign - 4 dots is his eyes; he is myopic as well. |
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Post by Sharon Lindimore on Feb 20, 2021 10:15:11 GMT -8
His own name as a sigil - 4 eyes because he wears glasses.
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Post by Sherri Storey on Mar 5, 2021 6:10:22 GMT -8
In response to the the Zodiac killer unknown symbol on the Halloween card similar to known cattle branding from the 60’s, I know a man alive today with the initials SAF who I believe with 100% certainty is Zodiac. He has a dry sense of humor with IQ off the chart and thinks in this manor. I see his initials here:
Bottom of Halloween card and return address label on envelope:
Backward “S” = Steve
Upside down “A “ = A
Forward “F” = Frankel
“Z” = Zodiac
“Crosshairs” = Killer
Therapist, Russian River Counselors, Monte Rio, CA
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