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Post by Ricardo on Jan 26, 2015 0:35:25 GMT -8
Here is a link to a recent article which speculates about the Zodiac killer in Scotland: Zodiac Killer Linked to Scots Murder Mystery www.express.co.uk/scotland/552679/Killer-Linked-Scots-murderAre there any other murders in other countries for which there is any reason to think could have been committed by the Zodiac killer?
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Post by WelshChappie on Mar 2, 2015 12:23:20 GMT -8
I saw that headline, too. 'Zodiac Killer living in Scotland' it said. My first thought was "Dear Me, He must have simply lost all hope and given up in the end and moved to Scotland." No wonder he wrote that letter: "Dear Melvin. I wish you a happy Christmass. The one thing I ask of you is this: Please Help me! Any moment now I am going to lose all control and move to Scotland to live.... I am Drownding." Poor poor sole!
Zodiac was a very logical man: "Tonight I think I shall go out and shoot someone in the head and then in the morning I shall move to Scotland."
I didn't even read the article to be honest as the claims are not only 'same old same old' now, but it's Kaufman, Stewart, Perez and others who claim Zodiac was their Father along with Lafferty, Graysmith and others who all claim Z was someone different and it just adds confusion to an already complicated case. It seems every 6 months or so someone comes out from their life as a normal citizen to announce they and Zodiac are either related, former friends, colleague and so on.
To them all I say the same..... Show me Paul's wallet, his ID/Drivers Licence or something along the same lines of this which cannot be disputed or denied as authentic and genuine. Till then, please be quiet. :-)
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Post by Zamantha on Mar 29, 2015 20:16:20 GMT -8
I saw that headline, too. 'Zodiac Killer living in Scotland' it said. My first thought was "Dear Me, He must have simply lost all hope and given up in the end and moved to Scotland." No wonder he wrote that letter: "Dear Melvin. I wish you a happy Christmass. The one thing I ask of you is this: Please Help me! Any moment now I am going to lose all control and move to Scotland to live.... I am Drownding." Poor poor sole! Zodiac was a very logical man: "Tonight I think I shall go out and shoot someone in the head and then in the morning I shall move to Scotland." I didn't even read the article to be honest as the claims are not only 'same old same old' now, but it's Kaufman, Stewart, Perez and others who claim Zodiac was their Father along with Lafferty, Graysmith and others who all claim Z was someone different and it just adds confusion to an already complicated case. It seems every 6 months or so someone comes out from their life as a normal citizen to announce they and Zodiac are either related, former friends, colleague and so on. To them all I say the same..... Show me Paul's wallet, his ID/Drivers Licence or something along the same lines of this which cannot be disputed or denied as authentic and genuine. Till then, please be quiet. :-) I "think" we need to agree to disagree. I don't feel you can put Lafferty or Graysmith in the same category as the others you mentioned. The others were in it for strange, attention issues. Lafferty accidentally came across his POI, and I feel it's awesome of him to share all, or I should say most of his research with us. And if Graysmith didn't share his research, we wouldn't all be discussing this case. I personally thank Lafferty and Graysmith for sharing. Zam*
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Post by WelshChappie on Mar 30, 2015 5:55:10 GMT -8
Well we will have to disagree Zam, because Graysmith was obsessed with this case and yet, in his book, he get's so many of the factual details of the case incorrect. Then there is his blatant outright lies. Here is what Robert has stated on Camera:
"The Zodiac used the Horoscope to guide his methods." When,How?
"So much focus was placed on the prime suspect, the very first suspect in the case, He knew all the victims, stalked them, who had the skills and intelligence to write the letters." WHAT! Knew all the victims? Stalked them? He states this as a fact and it is complete rubbish with no evidence to substantiate it at all.
Here's the clip:
That does not help the case in any way at all. The average person with a passing interest in this case who saw that interview would simply believe that these things are facts because Graysmith has written a book and is considered a expert on the case. Does so much damage to the case when people do things like that IMO.
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Post by Zydeco on May 31, 2015 17:12:19 GMT -8
Yes. Absolutely true, WC. I saw that Graysmith video! Ha ha!! How his nose is a normal length, I have no idea!
But what if this man was one of them? (I don't think the Zodiac acted alone.) It's not him though. Specky-Boy, I mean. The Zodiac is British, as far as I can see. If it is my suspect; yes, he can certainly do an American accent. I'd better not say how I know this. (My evidence has been submitted to LE.)
It sounds to me more like one of the Hillside Strangler ring. Bianchi implicated a man named Greg, I believe?
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Post by ScotsChappie on Jun 21, 2015 2:28:11 GMT -8
All very interesting debate going on.What I am aware of is,that at this time,millions of dollars of tax payers funding is being poured into a concerted effort,by official law enforcement to solve at least three murders,with a possible link between them.This undoubtedly represents the best ''current'' chance of exposing the serial killer and extortionist,known by the pseudonym ''Zodiac''.These investigations are not taking place in USA,or indeed,the State of California.So let's get real [?].Apart from being a woman,or living on the moon,''Zodiac'' could be anyone over 65,and residing anywhere [?].
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Post by WelshChappie on Jun 22, 2015 5:40:08 GMT -8
Yes. Absolutely true, WC. I saw that Graysmith video! Ha ha!! How his nose is a normal length, I have no idea! But what if this man was one of them? (I don't think the Zodiac acted alone.) It's not him though. Specky-Boy, I mean. The Zodiac is British, as far as I can see. If it is my suspect; yes, he can certainly do an American accent. I'd better not say how I know this. (My evidence has been submitted to LE.) It sounds to me more like one of the Hillside Strangler ring. Bianchi implicated a man named Greg, I believe? We've had 'The French Connection' with Gene Hackman, so why not 'The British Connection' with Zodiac? :-) The only basis for The British Connection with Zodiac is his use of language in the written form. "I shall" opposed to "I will" and a few other examples. The only assumptions we can make are: - If the Man who phoned Law Enforcement to report the crimes was the same man who wrote the letters, then he is not British because both Dave Slaight & Nancy Slover did not report hearing an accent. In fact, Slover specifically stated in her report "Could distinguish no trace of accent in Subject's voice."
- If the Zodiac killer and the Zodiac letter writer are two seperate people then yes, maybe the writer was of British descent
The most likely assumption to make is that the Killer and the man who rang police are the same person. Why? Slover stated that the caller spoke in a monotone, as if he'd rehearsed or was reading what He was saying. Slaight described the caller as speaking in a calm and soft spoken tone. These are two who spoke via phone to a man we assume was the Zodiac. Bryan Hartnell was attacked and stabbed by Zodiac at Lake B but not before He'd engaged his attacker in a conversation. Hartnell said the guy spoke with a " precise cadence to his voice.... Not an accent, but it had a real distinct tone about it. Very slow and measured way of speaking." From that it seems as though the man who stabbed Bryan, and the man who phoned and spoke with both Slaight and Slover, is the same person.
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Post by Beau on Jun 22, 2015 8:25:21 GMT -8
Hello everyone ! I have heard of a big police operation taking place in Scotland,with officers being drafted in to a headquarters set up at Stirling.Could this be what the previous guest was referring to ? If so,The Lord Advocate has been a very busy boy.
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Post by Nosey Parker on Jun 24, 2015 7:21:50 GMT -8
The Lord Advocate met with The Director of The FBI on December 19th 2014,in Washington,to ''officially'' discuss progress in the Pan-Am Lockerbie case.
Two months later :
On February 27th 2015,The Lord Advocate requests that the Brenda Page murder case [July 14th 1978] be re-investigated.
Two plus Two equals five ?
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Post by Nosey Parker on Jun 24, 2015 12:51:48 GMT -8
Three months later :
On May 24th 2015,The Lord Advocate requests that the Emma Caldwell murder case[April 4th 2005] be re-investigated.
Three plus Three equals seven ?
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Post by Nosey Parker on Jun 24, 2015 16:02:55 GMT -8
With reference to the newspaper article in The Scottish Sunday Express : The Templeton Woods murders [ Carol Lannen March 1979 and Elizabeth McCabe February 1980 ]have always remained under review.
Five plus Five equals something close to eleven ?
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Post by Nosey Parker on Jun 25, 2015 18:18:35 GMT -8
It seems to be that what Frank Mulholland QC is looking at is three murders in the North East of Scotland within a year and a half [July 1978 - February 1980].Then a ''surprise package'' from Glasgow,in April 2005.
Three ''Ladies of the night'',and a nightclubbing nurse [?].
I will take my leave now.Thank you for having me.
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Post by Beau on Jun 25, 2015 23:50:49 GMT -8
Can the Noble Lord take down The Lord High Executioner ?
Is that the question ?
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Post by Insider on Jun 27, 2015 10:02:00 GMT -8
The Lord Advocate,Frank Mulholland QC,is a physically imposing man.Described as a ''real hard nut'',he has risen from a modest and working class Lanarkshire upbringing,to become Law Chief of Scotland - an office that he has held for four years.
During his tenure,he has taken a tough approach to violence,with knife and organized crimes significantly reduced.
His academic credentials include legal qualifications from Aberdeen,Edinburgh,and Harvard Universities.
One can be assured that,if the ''Noble Lord''gains one forensics ''sniff'' of Zodiac,there will only be one outcome.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Sept 19, 2015 6:47:55 GMT -8
For anyone that might chose to take further interest in the Scottish murders : The Lord Advocate's responsibilities of office,include overseeing Scotland's Crown Prosecution Service,and its annual budget allocation.There is an element of ''theater'' in his requests that certain cases be re-examined - only with respect to ''checks and balances'' of power bases.Certain cases are often initiated by Senior Police,themselves,who bring it to the Lord Advocate's attention,in the knowledge that The Lord Advocate has greater sway in requesting extra funding from The Minister for Justice .
Frank Mulholland himself,is a gifted Criminal Prosecutions Lawyer,with a ''colorful'' and sometimes controversial track record.The prosecution of Serial Killers is,to an extent,one of his specialties.Even with the added responsibility of High Office,he will not think twice about removing himself from behind a desk,and electing to prosecute a case as an actual prosecuting lawyer,in order to satisfy himself that Justice is served.Such talents are rare.
The Press in Scotland appear to be on their best behavior,with respect to ''recent events''.It serves no value in speculating beyond what is already known.The official ''requests'' regarding the cases of Brenda Page and Emma Caldwell made front page headlines in Scotland,but,beyond a single interview with the now retired senior officer,in relation to the Carol Lannen murder,there has been little else printed.They will not be inclined to ''rock the boat'' - and this includes a distinguished international Newspaper,operating out of San Francisco [three guesses ?].
It could take time - and luck.Patience is the key.
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