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Post by WelshChappie on Jul 30, 2014 9:00:11 GMT -8
As we all know, Zodiac wrote to several different papers and several different people specifically. He wrote to prominent San Fran Attorney Melvin Belli and addressed the high priced Lawyer informally in his letter by opening with "Dear Melvin. This is the Zodiac Speaking..." as though he and Mel were on first name terms. He appeared to be reaching out to Belli and the tone of his letter was more a cry for help than anything threatening. This could not be said, however, for Zodiac's personally addressed mail to Paul Avery, crime writer at the San Francisco Chronicle. Mr Avery had said some less than flattering things about the man hiding behind the alias of Zodiac and the Zodiac decided it was time to send Avery a greeting card for Halloween in 1970.
October 27th, 1970 and Paul Avery is given a letter addressed to him personally. He looks at the envelope declaring 'Paul Averly, SF Chronicle, 5th - Mission, SF.' He notes the odd symbol on the upper left portion of the envelope before turning it over and breaking the seal. Inside there appears to be a Halloween themed greeting card. It has been written on by the sender and Paul starts reading the message which opens by stating: "FROM YOUR SECRET PAL." He reads on: "I feel it in my bones, your ache to know my name and so I'll clue you in....." Avery opens the card to read inside: BOO! But then why spoil the game. PEEK-A-BOO, YOU ARE DOOMED."
  
In this post I want to discuss the peculiar remark found written on the inside on the envelope that the above card came in. There was a message saying "Sorry No Cipher Sorry no Cipher" the same comment said twice and written in the shape of an X.
Now why would Zodiac make such a comment? Why apologise for not sending a cipher? If he'd yet to send a letter or communication without adding a cryptogram then maybe he'd be justified in saying this but the fact is he'd sent many letters and cards by this point and none of them contained a cipher, so why apologise for not adding one with this card? I think Zodiac wants to draw our attention to, or is hinting at, this card itself being a cryptic message. .
I have long suspected that the symbolism on this card is representative of 'Skull and Bones' the secret society attended by the likes of George W. Bush. On this card is a skull, under which are the bones. The word next to the skull is SECRET. It's just a theory of mine to go with the many many others out there. But remember, Zodiac apologises for his not sending is audience a cipher. "Sorry No Cipher' he apologises. Now while some may choose to believe that Zodiac was sorry and apologetic to his public for not sending them a wonderful word puzzle, I believe that he's sarcastically hinting at there being a cryptographic message within this card already and so there is no need to add an actual cipher.
I also think it's likely that the back portion of the card stating Paradice Slaves etc also has a clue or cryptic message within it. There is clearly four methods of murder listed on the back 'By Fire, By Gun, By Knife and By Rope. All have the word 'By' written horizontally above their respected method of murder, all except By Knife, with this 'By' appearing vertically above the method of killing. Again, some may choose to overlook this or dismiss it as meaningless or coincidence if they wish, I though, would bet my life on the idea that this is again deliberate and intentionally done by the writer as it has a meaning or clue that he wants us to work out.
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Post by WelshChappie on Jul 30, 2014 9:19:46 GMT -8
Here is the message contained on the inside of the envelope:
Another 'coincidence' relating to the Skull and Bones secret society angle is the way the 'sorry no cipher' is written to form an X. Here's the official logo of Yale's Skull & Bones Secret Society:
So, does Zodiac believe that the Bay Area residents are all eagerly awaiting his next boastful letter accompanied by a Cipher that they can all get to work on? Does he feel bad and guilty because he believes that Don and Bettye Harden are eagerly awaiting his next puzzle and is overcome with remorse for not giving Don Harden a reason to reach for that book on his shelf "Secret and Urgent", a book all about Cipher's and their construction written by Fletcher Pratt? No.
Given Zodiac has shown on numerous occasions that he has an almost child like humour, I can almost picture him giggling to himself as he writes 'Sorry no Cipher' knowing that there is one hidden in the message.
Our friend 'Ka-Vah-Lee' was a proud member of the Bohemian Grove, another highly Secret Society of which a former US President reffered to as "The most Queer (Gay) place I've ever seen." |
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Post by Ricardo on Jul 30, 2014 23:17:15 GMT -8
I wonder why the Zodiac killer did not send any Halloween card to Melvin Belli…  |
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Post by WelshChappie on Jul 31, 2014 18:47:08 GMT -8
No need to, he wrote him a letter which opened with His customary call sign of "This is the Zodiac Speaking" followed by him offering seasons greetings "Dear Melvin, I wish you a happy Christmass."
See how considerate and polite he is look. When he isn't blasting unsuspecting 'Victoms' into 'Paradice' he's sending out festive good will.
I bet you that Mel Belli was preying for the speedy discovery and arrest of Z not because M.B give a sh*t about more potential murders/victims but Mel Belli, being the Media Whore he was, would have relished his picture shaking hands with new client 'Zodiac' on the Chronicle front page. Mr Belli would call an International Press Conference to announce he had 'won the contract' & was representing this most prestigious of infamous lunatics.
If Zodiac was found Guilty of any of the charges then Melvin would no longer be on Z's Xmas card list, he'd be on the Courtroom floor after his client had pulled a gun and shot him in the head.
"Dear Judge Presiding. This is Zodiac Speaking. I am the murderer of the Lawyer over by Courtroom 3 and 4 last week. To prove this, here is a part of his ejected eyeball. The Judge will never sentence me because I have been too armed in court for them."
ME - 37 DAYS PROBATION. SFPD - STILL SEARCHING J.K PARK. |
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Post by WelshChappie on Jul 31, 2014 19:01:46 GMT -8
Avery questioned Mr Z's sexuality in public and says other less than flattering things about the killer known as Zodiac. Paul's a hard man see, he isn't one to be easily intimidated.
Zodiac write's to Hard Man Avery stating "BOO!" and Paul Avery refuses to go outside again unless he be supplied with armed security or himself be approved to carry a pistol that he demanded Insp. Toschi supply him. If Paul Avery couldn't stand the heat see, he should have stayed out of the Zodiac's kitchen..lol
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Post by Ricardo on Jul 31, 2014 21:54:48 GMT -8
The Zodiac killer chose to send a greeting card (instead of a letter) to Paul Avery. Maybe it was intended to be a little more personal?  |
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Post by MikeR on Aug 2, 2014 4:46:41 GMT -8
Hi-
Isn't Skull and Crossbones a Yale Society?
Mike
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Post by WelshChappie on Aug 4, 2014 9:57:16 GMT -8
Hi- Isn't Skull and Crossbones a Yale Society? Mike
Not that I have heard of Mike. Skull and Bones is Yale's Secret Society though, that I do know. Here's Bush being asked about Skull and Bones:
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Post by WelshChappie on Aug 4, 2014 10:43:32 GMT -8
There are several references to secret societies in the Zodiac case details. The card mentioned above obviously possibly being one, but there's also the place from which Zodiac is thought to have hailed Stine's cab, Mason & Geary Street. The Freemasons are another secret society with it's member being referred to as 'Mason's' the same way Skull and Bones members are referred to as 'Bonesmen.'
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Post by Ricardo on Aug 24, 2014 19:34:55 GMT -8
What about Geary Street? Geary Name Meaning Irish: reduced Anglicized form of Gaelic Ó Gadhra ‘descendant of Gadhra’ (see O’Gara). See also McGeary.English: from a personal name derived from Germanic ger, gar ‘spear’, a short form of any of various compound names with this as a first element (see, for example Garrett).English: nickname for a wayward or capricious person, from Middle English ge(a)ry ‘fickle’, ‘changeable’, ‘passionate’ (a derivative of gere ‘fit of passion’, apparently a Scandinavian borrowing).Possibly an altered spelling of German Gehring or Gehrig. www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=geary |
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Post by WelshChappie on Sept 5, 2014 16:12:23 GMT -8
"Possibly an altered spelling of German Gehring or Gehrig.
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Now that is quite interesting, 'an altered spelling of a German Word.' What, you mean like 'Stine' being a very slight altered spelling of the word 'Stein', a German name that translates into English literally as 'Stone.' Stein literally means stone, so Mason Street and Paul Stine may not be as most assume, a random victim from a random street because if you use the literal translated word Stone with the Street name of Mason, then you have a possible clue in 'Stone Mason.'
Now I know some will say "too elaborate, slightly far fetched and probably just coincidence."
Well, I suppose they would be correct. After all, it's not like there is any reason or evidence to suggest Zodiac loved word games and word play is there? I mean ok, if this man had ever..... Ohh, I don't know, added one extra letter to deliberately mispell a common word but by doing so had created two correctly spelled word. I mean what thoroughly random and 'off the top of my head' example can I make up to show what I mean? Hmmmmm.... I know! Deliberately add an extra S to the end of Christmas turning it into one apparent misspelled word rather than two words of 'Christ' and 'Mass.' I mean if this guy ever sent a word game, puzzle maybe, you know like a Cryptogram or Cipher for instance, then maybe using words and names to offer a puzzle that if solved would reveal an occupation then maybe I would consider such an idea.
Hang on a minute, didn't he.......,
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Post by MikeR on Sept 6, 2014 8:41:03 GMT -8
Hi-
I get a kick out of how Gary Stewart uses the Avery card to say that since Avery MAY have penned articles on his father in 1964, his father had it in for Avery and that explains the personal letters. The only problem with that idea is that Avery ripped Z a new one in his articles, so no matter who Z was he had an axe to grind with one Paul Avery. Had Avery not written a word about the Z case Stewart might have had a leg to stand on. But since Avery wrote about and also insulted Z, he has none, IMHO.
Mike
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Post by WelshChappie on Sept 8, 2014 6:36:25 GMT -8
Hi- I get a kick out of how Gary Stewart uses the Avery card to say that since Avery MAY have penned articles on his father in 1964, his father had it in for Avery and that explains the personal letters. The only problem with that idea is that Avery ripped Z a new one in his articles, so no matter who Z was he had an axe to grind with one Paul Avery. Had Avery not written a word about the Z case Stewart might have had a leg to stand on. But since Avery wrote about and also insulted Z, he has none, IMHO. Mike I would imagine many criminals had cause to not like Avery, after all, he was the Chronicle's crime reporter. If we are to say that anyone who ever even slightly said anything negative about Zodiac in a public comment would be the target of Z's rage then holding a dislike for Avery should take second place to A certain Martin Lee, Lee being the Chief of San Francisco Inspectors and the man who told Avery that he believed Zodiac was a clumsy criminal, had made several mistakes and was possibly a latent homosexual. Zodiac having it in for Avery would be shooting the messenger, so to speak. Yes, Avery was responsible for printing the words but they were words of Martin Lee. And again going on this idea, Zodiac should have been red with rage at Paul Stine's brother Joe, who said some very less than flattering things about the man that killed his brother. Zodiac was what we might call a media whore, and as all media whore's will tell you, negative publicity is better than no publicity at all. |
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Dec 16, 2015 17:55:33 GMT -8
Just to add to the debate on various significant features of the card sent to Paul Avery :
Firstly,it seems a little strange that Zodiac employs the alphabetic letter ''A'',to ensure that ''PARADICE'' and ''SLAVES'' intersect,to form what looks like,a christian cross.And yet....when we view the ''envelope'' cross - which is a more conventional cross,in form,we can observe that Zodiac has not employed the word ''no'' a single time as an intersection for the writing of ''sorry no cipher'' twice.
Secondly,the envelope ''conventional'' cross,is formed in such a manner that,it would simply look like a cross from just a few feet away - or to someone without their reading glasses on [?].If we accept this,then there could be a further connotation : That it is the symbol for a ''crossroads'' [?].Old tradition in western societies demanded that ''suicides'' be buried at crossroads.The thinking behind this was that they were ''murderers'' - who happened to murder themselves.Therefore,if placed at a crossroads,then it would be left ''in the lap of the gods'' as to whether the deceased ended up in heaven - or hell.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Dec 27, 2015 12:43:07 GMT -8
Further to my previous post,WelshChappie in particular,has highlighted that the Halloween card represents a number of ''mini puzzles'' for the reader to solve.So,in examining the ''conventional cross''on the inside of the envelope,perhaps that is ''all'' that it is [?] - that Zodiac has elected to ''construct'' the cross,with ''sorry no ciphers'' twice - a decision merely based on the fact that he has offered up enough other types of puzzles on the card,already.
That conventional shaped cross,therefore represents a ''red herring''puzzle [?] - no real meaning,apart from yet another opportunity for Zodiac to confuse the reader [?].
The ''PARADICE'' and ''SLAVES'' intersecting,is,I believe,intended to symbolize a christian cross - but ''it'' and the ''by means'' words,do appear to be merely a ''presentation statement'' of boast [?].What perhaps,is most telling,is that the alphabetic ''i's'' and ''y's'' are in lower case form,and yet all other alphabetic letters are presented as capital letters.In addition,that a single ''capital N'' is presented in ''mirror image'' form.
That ''mirror image capital N'' strikes me as the most notable feature of all.There have been numerous articles written in the past about the very real prospect that Zodiac employed a Demonstration Projector to project original writings,then copy them by choice,in order to fool handwriting experts.Many symbols employed by Zodiac in his ciphers,for instance,are effectively,mirror images of recognized alphabetic capital letters.
It is no accident,that the FBI mostly refer to Zodiac's writing as ''Handprinting''as opposed to ''Handwriting'' - it appears that ''they'' are in no doubt that ''the finished product'' is something different from ''the original'' [?].
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