As appears now, it has not just been the Zodiac Killer that Mr Wray and his merry band, the FBI, plus hangers on, like the Reality T.V. cipher star Mr Oranchak....have had to concern themselves with, with recriminations over the D B Cooper related December 11th 2020 FBI Zodiac Tweet ( '' I knew '' letter ).
Now, leading D B Cooper sleuth, TOM COLBERT, breaks cover to pour scorn on the FBI, with a Zodiac hoax, assisted unwittingly ( or not ? ) by Fox News, and a tale about Colbert's 40-strong sleuth army declaring that previously unknown '' Gary Poste '' was the Zodiac Killer. The hoax survived in tact, for at least one day, before investigative journalist Billy Jensen '' blew the gaff '' on this '' Monkey Business ''.
With Halloween only three weeks away, there could be further Zodiac, or even D B Cooper related recriminations to come, for the FBI and their three grateful Cipher proteges, Oranchak & Co..
Last Edit: Oct 8, 2021 3:34:07 GMT -8 by Rubislaw32
Yup...that's it in a nutshell - the FBI have lost their place at the head table, in the Zodiac case, to GCHQ and NSA. More often called the UKUSA Group which, might sometimes include intelligence contributions from Canada, Australia and New Zealand also.
After Director of the FBI James Comey's sacking by President Trump, there were bound to be changes behind the scenes, with Departments of Justice who, had had enough of Comey's particular brand of Federal Policing leadership. But more specifically, with regard to the case of the Zodiac Killer. The proof in the eating being Comey's behaviour following his meeting with Frank Mulholland who, had come with terrorism information and promise of extra Whitehall funding.
James Comey's indiscretions may not have been overly concerning to President Obama, who was a lawyer and, probably believed that all parties concerned would iron out their differences, with '' new boy '' Comey learning his lessons.
But, for businessman Donald Trump, his handover notes indicated that Comey was still viewed with suspicion and mistrust by Departments of Justice.
Time to eject the '' loose cannon '' from any government meddling. Trump just didn't need that sort of concern.
And further, if the FBI had taken the blow of their boss being fired, with good grace and learning from it - then all well and good. But, they didn't.
Instead, they immediately cosied up to the Hearst Corporation, in order to paint a false picture that they still held importance in the Zodiac Killer case.
Then, the wholly ridiculous nonsense about '' 2 envelopes & a secret lab '' with the vanity of a provincial cop's assistance. Certainly not convincing to the Benicia Herald immediately, and probably The Vallejo Times-Herald also who, nonetheless retained a dignified silence over the matter.
More recently now, the December 11th 2020 Tweet, with its reference to '' a cipher solved by private citizens '' and the false caring of the families of the Zodiac's victims.
But...lo and behold, it seems that then U.S. Attorney General William Barr pointed out his knowledge of mischievousness at play, and before December 21st 2020 - just within 10 days. Christopher Wray's sanctioned ploy had been rumbled by other intelligence services...that wondered what the hell was going on, with the FBI.
Now the FBI are stuck with their knowing false claim....and could further be at the mercy of the Zodiac Killer himself ( or impersonators ) who, might attempt to humiliate the FBI and their crypto unit, even more.
An attempt by the FBI to bait the Zodiac Killer, off their own bat, has already backfired.
'' Happy Halloween '' to the FBI.
Last Edit: Oct 26, 2021 9:46:17 GMT -8 by Rubislaw32
Post by Rubislaw32 on Oct 26, 2021 10:51:20 GMT -8
The UKUSA Agreement is the sharing of Intelligence information between the UK, the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. This alliance of Intelligence is also known as '' Five Eyes '' - FVEY as abbreviated.
An informal founding took place with the 1941 Atlantic Charter, and a formal enactment in 1946 by the United Kingdom and the United States.
Much of the sharing of information is performed by the ultra-sensitive STONEGHOST network which, has been claimed to contain '' the Western world's most closely guarded secrets ''.
It is of interest and gratitude to the new member '' GhostVoice '' who, furnished this site with the Zodiac-related personal ad. placed in the Seattle Times, March 25th 2021. A personal ad. only now available to view here, since the Seattle Times have deleted it from their electronic version of the newspaper's publication.
'' GhostVoice '' has yet to explain to this site, how it was that he came across the personal ad. and, how it was that he chose this site, in particular, with which to furnish the personal ad. .
I am sure that all members here would welcome a return from '' GhostVoice ''.
Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 12, 2021 20:14:31 GMT -8
Nearly three weeks on, and our new member '' GhostVoice '' has not been back in touch.
No recriminations here - merely trying to establish who would have spotted the March 25th Personal Ad., referring to '' Zodiac sister/s '' in the Seattle Times and, notified the newspaper of a '' suspect '' customer.
Since STONEGHOST are the sharers of information to the Five Eyes FVEY then, it does look increasingly likely that it was NSA who spotted the '' rogue '' Personal Ad. .
For Zodiac case followers, I would suggest that this is for the general good of the case.
Just a relief it wasn't the FBI who, have seemed to have acted with selfishness, and lack of case probity, in recent times.
Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 12, 2021 20:56:14 GMT -8
And to be clear...my tendency, at present, is to believe that the Personal Ad. '' could '' certainly be from the real Zodiac. Apart from the poetic frippery, I think that he is genuinely concerned that if his name is exposed then his family members could be in danger. In addition, I see much of this type of rhyme exercise at the beginning of the FBI's File 2, on the Rev. Billy Graham. In that instance, likely that the Zodiac signed as '' St. Michael + ''.
Naturally, one wishes that the real Zodiac would give himself up. It seems clear to him that he is now known to certain LE agencies, both overt and covert.
Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 13, 2021 23:36:20 GMT -8
The FBI release a 64th file on the D B Cooper case.
As entered in the '' Gary Poste '' thread, the FBI have released a new file with respect to the skyjacker Dan Cooper ( November 1st 2021 ).
However, no mention of anything further with regard to two further 10-digit codes related to the '' I knew '' typed letter of December 11th 1971. Simply on page 265 of the new file, a confirmation that the FBI are of the opinion that the the letter writer employed a Corona Electric portable typewriter.
And, I note now, that the FBI have removed the date that they released the Leroy Eldridge Cleaver files ( Spring 2021 ).
( Thanks FBI - I can't remember if the Cleaver files were released before or after March 25th 2021.)
Last Edit: Nov 13, 2021 23:59:52 GMT -8 by Rubislaw32
Could be a bit of a pedantic observation, but the FBI, in their newly released D B Cooper file, were very specific about Dan Cooper subjecting '' 36 '' passengers to a hijacking. And, it does appear to be the case that it has always been reported that the jet airliner was carrying 37 passengers.
And so, in returning to focus on the possibility that the Zodiac's Exorcist letter of January 1974, was an admission of sorts ( An Exorcism ) that he, the Zodiac, had stolen the mantle of Dan Cooper, for the purposes of letter writing :
Me - 37, SFPD - 0 .
Perhaps it is the case that this confirms the Zodiac's thinking ( ? ), and mischievous culpability :
Me - ( 36 + Dan Cooper ), SFPD - 0 .
( '' Hey guys - this is what I got up to, while I was away. And an echo arose from the suicides grave ? You don't think I was actually going to miss an opportunity like that, given that the jumper obviously killed himself in the fall ? '' )
Last Edit: Nov 14, 2021 1:58:37 GMT -8 by Rubislaw32
....moreover, a confirmation of why the Zodiac selected the following four '' sisters '' for carbon copies of '' his '' letter of December 11th 1971 :
cccccccc ( THE SEVEN C's ) WASH post NEW york times SEATtle times LOS Angeles times.
Implication : '' THE SEVEN SEAS WASH NEW SEAT LOS A ''. ( as an imagined newspaper headline, from the Zodiac )
Implication : '' The Seven Seas eradicate new throne pretender ''.
Summary : A joyful Zodiac is celebrating the perception that the new pretender, Dan Cooper, to his throne of outlaw anti-hero, only lasted a few seconds in his attempt to wrestle that throne from the Zodiac who, still holds it, given that individuals such as Charles Manson are now incarcerated.
Last Edit: Nov 14, 2021 7:11:24 GMT -8 by Rubislaw32
Rubislaw32: Oct.6th 2021 -Fox news announce Case Breaker's findings. Nov.1st 2021 - FBI release 411 page D B Cooper File. Within 25 days FBI have appeased Mr Colbert. The thrust of non-suspect Gary Poste's guilt was Donna Lass. ''Donna Lass'' positively haunts the FBI
Nov 30, 2021 16:01:00 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: The mystery of the Zodiac Killer case ? But, it is also a mystery about the FBI's personal involvement in the Zodiac Killer case. They were supposed to assist and, even solve it themselves. Remember Mr Trump's words to the FBI : '' Clean up your mess.''.
Nov 30, 2021 14:19:37 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Where does that leave the Donna Lass disappearance ? Knowledge beyond any reasonable doubt, by the FBI, that the Zodiac had nothing to do with the Donna Lass case. But, did the FBI know more than that ? The South Lake Tahoe PD have not been happy recently.
Nov 30, 2021 14:00:10 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: In the run-in to the March 22nd 1971 Pines Card, the FBI would have needed complicity with the SF Chronicle, and the Condominium Co. on advertising - paid for by the FBI? The FBI would have known the card's original purpose, and so would the SF Chronicle.
Nov 30, 2021 13:50:12 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Just as a reference to the Pines Card. It was the Zodiac who, of course chose its design, and originally sent it, circa May 1970,as a follow up to the Dragon Card, in order to (falsely) incriminate Pa Grant, further, on Judith Hakari's murder.
Nov 30, 2021 13:39:04 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: We all play the numbers game with Z's murders. Beyond the 5 Bay area ones ? I have him down for none before LHR. After PH ? Three, but one of those was second-degree. Leaving two for DOJ's to focus on in particular. The FBI being surplus to requirements.
Nov 30, 2021 8:21:58 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Contained in the FBI's vaults is evidence that the Zodiac was the most prolific small-time extortionist in criminal history. The FBI were entrusted to catch him, through this very practice. But, he turned out smarter than them - and by a long chalk.
Nov 30, 2021 7:16:45 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: We must continue to hope, and have faith in DOJ's to nail the Zodiac for at least one murder, and secure a subsequent plea deal to ensure justice for all his victims. Then, their families might receive a long-overdue explanation for his behaviour.
Nov 30, 2021 7:08:13 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: That ''rainy day'' was allocated to the disappearance of Donna Lass, and an opportunity to bait the Zodiac. At present, the South Lake Tahoe P.D. maintain a dignified silence over the matter, but this is a ticking time bomb, waiting to go off. Cheers FBI.
Nov 29, 2021 21:11:33 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Pines Card fiasco ? The implications are truly cruel and horrible to contemplate. Judith Hakari's abduction and violent death would have had a much better chance of being solved, if the FBI had not elected to confiscate the Pines Card, for a ''rainy day''.
Nov 29, 2021 21:05:04 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: The days of Fagan and his colleagues' dodgy Zodiac-related claims, as well as having wet dreams waiting for another FBI fix - are OVER. If a Zodiac arrest is made, they would do better to sort out their part in the Pines Card fiasco, and payments to Cheney
Nov 29, 2021 20:23:01 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: In light of SF Chronicle journalist Kevin Fagan's recent re-vamp of his career C.V., emphasizing a decent and honest hack with homeless charity interests, he might like to reflect that it isn't going to make his part in Zodiac case shenanigans go away.
Nov 29, 2021 20:15:32 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: What might save the FBI (?). Difficult to assess. Operations performed on the hierarchy's forked tongues might help. But, it's ''humility'' that they are lacking. Forced to assist schoolchildren and old ladies cross roads safely would be a good idea.
Nov 29, 2021 18:35:12 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: I certainly don't begrudge the D B Cooper fraternity though. Through muscling in to get what they wanted - Good Luck to them. But, it begins to demonstrate where the FBI really are at, and their current mindset ? Like Edvard Munch's painting ''The Scream''
Nov 29, 2021 18:15:54 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: An interesting but disappointing reflection of 2021, I believe, is that as Z followers await anything remotely like an FBI File No.7, and for years, the D B Cooper fraternity receive an FBI File No.64, through behaving badly. The FBI's priorities ?
Nov 29, 2021 18:10:28 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Seattle Times, March 25th 2021 : '' If anything dire happens to me (or any I love) - what I gave the cops gets published immediately.''. So, no movement from Z, then ? And, he brazenly (or otherwise ?) believes he can cover for his family's safety, also.
Nov 28, 2021 22:32:05 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Naturally we all think that Z should give himself up. But, he is still trying to eek out his freedom. And, one should bear in mind that, in all likelihood, Z has been only too happy to have seen Lenny Paradiso spend his last 28 years of life in prison.
Nov 28, 2021 13:17:16 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: .....firstly, the DOJ's are struggling to come up with at least one murder to pin on him, with confidence. But also...a law enforcement agency might try to take him out. Now - which LE agency has most face to lose ? I fancy that Z will think the FBI.
Nov 28, 2021 13:02:21 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Given that the Zodiac is still alive (as I do) one has to start looking at matters from his perspective. Z will know about all the lying that the FBI have been doing, and will surmise that because he has yet to be arrested, then....
Nov 28, 2021 12:57:30 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: It's a wonder really, why the U.S. DOJ still allows them to meddle with the Zodiac case. The FBI attempting dishonest damage limitation, if the case happens to find a public resolution - and become the most embarrassing moment in their 113 year history.
Nov 28, 2021 9:37:02 GMT -8