Rubis my father was diagnosed manic depressive,bi polar,my parents have been on Prozac since I can remember. I do still have pics and letters with writing but my mother did most of the writing,my fathers writing was never that good,i never got any letters from him when i was in the army,she wrote everything.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Dec 16, 2016 16:41:50 GMT -8
That is indeed interesting information,PowerLord.
So I would presume,from this,that you might see another interpretation,on Zodiac's letters [?].
That someone,other than your father,wrote the letters ? Even,perhaps your mother ? Or,is this too presumptuous of me to suggest ?
I am sure that what you have posted,so far,has taken many aback.And indeed,there has been no mention of the ''Occult'' subject,on this site,for a good while.
Are you able to tell us about those teachings of Paradise ? ''Zodiac'' appeared to be quite obsessed with acquiring his ''slaves'' in Paradise.Presumably,his servants,and perhaps,sycophantic friends,to make up for his ''loneliness'' in the real world [?].
And about you,in relationship with your parents [?].Were there ever times of happiness,for you,that you are able to remember.
Rubis you are now on the same page,but you probably were the whole time lol.
Ok on the paradise issue,a satanists idea of the best time was when paradise was lost,in their eyes paradise was claimed by satan and his to do whatever he wanted with,stocking it with slaves would be ideal. Zodiac feels he is equal to satan and might have created his own paradise to stock. Teens and children are and always will be considered a delicacy for a servant to please the father of evil and move up in the ranks to be able to claim their own turf in hell,their paradise.There were two sets of young people,the lady and her baby.
There were letters in the box where my mother went on and on about only having blonde hair blue eyed children and would not except anything else,these children are to be the cream when offering sacrifice to satan.
and my childhood had great times in them,when i wasnt near him.In the home I had to watch facial expression,tone of voice,feeling in the air.My mother had a very cold side and she constantly reminded us and others that to mess with her would be a mistake,that she had other ways to deal with you or problems.To this day she exercises that.
I was blonde hair blue eyed,and when I say blonde i mean platinum,with the eeriest blue eyes you can get.So was my sister,but the middle child was brown haired and had malamute blue eyes,he couldnt walk or talk until the age of 5. When I was about 10 yrs old the church started parading foster children in front of the church from a close local foster home.
My grandmother was the first to call me Master and told all that my future in the church would be of a prince and that I would lead all.My mother was ecstatic,my father hated the sight of me. My mother had 2 out of the three she needed,my brother was treated as a throw away of sorts,kinda of treated as second hand.Thats when my mother spied a new blonde haired blue eyed foster child that had been brought in the church,she immediately wanted to adopt,we fell in love with him,then one day he was just gone,the excuse was nothing,just gone and never seen again.
All this gets very deep,and the things I can tell that my psyche will allow me to remember has raised hairs on counselors and caused veteran psychiatrists to weep.There is more than one monster here,more than one motive,I feel that my father was controlled by women,much like edmund kemper. He was unleashed when he met my mother,according to ellen g white the woman would bear the sins of the husband and keep them to herself and wait for him to achieve his goal of being pure no matter what he did. And my mother followed that rule to the T.
There is no explanation on his disappearance. A satanists world is based on greed,jealousy,and power.Satan wanted to be God.servants want to be over satan if they can,beelzebub made a run for the crown in hell,When a servant kills or sacrifices they seek approval from him in the hopes of moving up in the ranks to have certain powers and allowances.
Reading up on satanist would be wise on this,if you notice the zodiacs killings werent gore motivated like kemper,they were more executional and just the kill not invovled with the flesh,kill,claim the soul and be finished.
He wouldn't have started killing without a a good catalyst,motivation that came with a mothers approval which made it ok and justifiable,he married his mother.All of these dynamics were used and worked for him,the obedience to his mother,the promise of greatness,the feeling of conquering his inferiority if only for the time it took to claim a soul.
As a boy I was being groomed for the same thing.There is no such thing as coincidence I was destined to this site and its the only time ive ever talked about about the details of the horrors of my family in the 50 yrs ive been alive.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Dec 17, 2016 18:04:54 GMT -8
Absolutely,on the Zodiac slaying point,PowerLord.
The murders and attempted murders,for which Zodiac is ''wanted'',were all ''executional'' in actuality,as well as perception.
Lake Berryessa may have looked a bit ''sacrificial'',but that was Zodiac electing some ''theater'',to the occasion.
The attacks were vehicles for Zodiac's statement of intent.
I think you have given the reader a vivid and eloquently portrayed insight of the world of Satanism,PowerLord.And we are grateful for the additional information,garnered.
We all live in a Big Brother world now - and whether it be CCTV cameras on a street corner,or ''public'' forums,like this sight,we must just get used to it.And we do,at least,gain in security - if sometimes losing a little of privacy.
So,it is entirely possible that what you have written,PowerLord,has been ''acknowledged'' by the authorities,anyway [?].Perhaps,at the very least,they will have a ''peruse'' at your father's military file,and check on his general movements,at the time of Zodiac's ''reign'' [?].
I am certainly wiser about some of things that Zodiac referred to,such as Paradise and Afterlife.
And it certainly brings another possible ''dynamic'' to the debate.That being the concept or reality of a ''husband and wife'' partnership.
One sees,on these True Crime channels,programs called ''Couples who kill'' - and it was an ''angle'' to the Zodiac phenomenon,that had never occurred to me,previously.Also,the possibility that the female partner might be,by far,the dominant force [?].
If anything further comes to mind,PowerLord,our ears are ''wide open''.
Yes Rubis there are many dynamics going on here,the ones I adhere to and probably what leads me to my parents as possible supects is the burnt car and body and the lack of care my father showed,the 63' murders while my father was stationed at port hueneme and my mother being in santa maria which put the crime scene right in the middle of the two,my parents uncanny resemblance to Earl van best and judy chandler and the fact judy was in highschool while best was a young grownup,then theres the hood which I saw hanging in the forestry station when we went to see my father.
I dont believe in coincidence and there's a lot here that's just too familiar.In 63' my father would have been 22,my mother 17,thats a bit close.
Post by Rubislaw32 on Dec 18, 2016 10:54:33 GMT -8
Just as a sort of interim post,PowerLord,and for all readers :
These cowboy codes and Freemason symbols,posted by PowerLord,are worth a cross reference with the letter [...circa January-March 1971...],generally known as ''The Forgotten Letter'',starting with ''Zodiac's'' claim of killing 21 times.
The letter also contains a cipher,which Roland and Alex Heck,at the Zodiologist site,refer to as Z148.
The Hecks have attempted a solution to ''Z148'',which I believe is correct - and well done to them !
So I presume that they won't mind me stating their solution [!] :
TIS THE ZODIAC SPEACKING WHY CANT YOU STOP ME I CANT STOP KILLING STOP LISTENING T PHONYS IF THIS IS NOT ON THE FRONT PAGE IN A WEEK I WILL SKIN 3 LITTLE KIDS AND MAKE A SUIT FROM SKIN
And well done to PowerLord for sourcing some of the symbols.
So,it really comes down to ''Zodiac authenticity'' on this letter.Like the Hecks,I am inclined to believe that it is Zodiac....tantalizing to ponder what Law Enforcement think [?].
Both the written message and presumed solution to the cipher mention the ''gleaning'' of Human skin - which was probably made up,to re-enforce an impression of ''unknown depths of depravity'' - which doesn't seem to be the reality of Zodiac's reason for killing [...to simply perpetuate fear - ''done and dusted'' [?] ].
As an overview,there exists this period,between 1971 and 1974,where there is no correspondence,officially confirmed by the authorities.And yet there are a veritable host of ''unconfirmed'' correspondences,that have nevertheless emerged,in this ''3 year gap''.
The ''Forgotten Letter'' is one,and certainly worth consideration as ''Real Zodiac''.
Thank you for listening Rubis,and I appreciate the intelligent insight. The only person that will know what this killer was thinking and why are his family.
The hell that him,or maybe they caused their children will always live inside.As i mentioned earlier I was sitting in front of my PC one day and out of the blue zodiac popped into my mind and pieces started coming together. I know and have lived the visceral temper,my father was a 5'10" 200 lb bear,a thick man. wore 10 1/2 size boots,black rimmed glasses,close cropped dark hair.He aslo had a hidden small caliber hand gun that was constantly being moved.
I remember in the bay area at the time the zodiac reigned there were warnings not to allow your children to be alone outside and at the age of 6 I was walking a mile to school by myself,other kids werent allowed and I walked alone scared to death,but I was always told i had nothing to fear.
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hese crosshairs are actually a symbol for the son of satan,and have been made and passed out through the church as homeage to the son,the killer elite.The killings in the el diablo mountain range werent random,what better way to pay respect to the master than to vanquish purity in the Devils mountains.....
I'd also like to note that in the 71' letter he didnt just say he was going to skin some kids,he said 3. My sister was just born Jan. 71' and the most psychotic I saw him was at this time,in my eyes this was a double edged threat,anger at his own while confirming to himself he had access to 3 easy.
He called them kids,a family man uses that word,you kids dont shut up and I'll skin ya.....I heard it often.....
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Rubislaw32: Secret Pa William Grant for the murders he had committed, and likely now that he had at least claimed for Jane Doe 59 (Reet) in Los Angeles - but suppressed by the FBI. Moreover, he had no guns left. Beyond a blades man, he would have to become a bomber.
Oct 1, 2023 9:11:47 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: There were a handful of reasons the Zodiac was at his lowest ebb, as apparently inferred in his letter to Belli of December 20th 1969. One year on from his first attack at Lake Herman Road, the Zodiac seemed no closer to successfully fitting up his...
Oct 1, 2023 8:58:57 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...in his letter sent to Melvin Belli. With the murder of gay lamp designer Robert Salem covered by the SF Chronicle in April 1970, it presented a chance to provoke Z into turning up figuratively again. An immediate response from Z resulted - he was back.
Oct 1, 2023 8:03:29 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: And lo and behold, back to basics and something case-pertinent: The writings of William Heirens, The Lipstick Killer, above a lamp: ''For heavens sake, catch me before I kill more - I cannot control myself.''. These words clearly influencing the Zodiac,...
Oct 1, 2023 7:52:37 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Voigt's site is a sad load of ''zodiacfiller.tom ''. Travel to its peripheries, and you might find an interesting topic debated by sensible contributors. But up front, it's a house of madness furnished by someone now blacklisted by all of law enforcement.
Oct 1, 2023 7:09:31 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Tom: ''I have my site of dreams; my Gyke candidate & imaginary friends. Who needs Zodiac ?'. Ms Betts: ''I have never known Tom to make up a lie. I have my Honcho & his boys, and my story & the tears that I cry.''. Tom: ''I have no reason to doubt Sandy.''
Oct 1, 2023 6:21:19 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Voigt's glove puppet Uncle Sporkums is known for his innocuousness. This in contrast to Sporkum's flashing avatar, which keeps anyone with photophobia sensitivities away from his site. You're never alone with a Strand ? For Tom - it's an imaginary friend.
Oct 1, 2023 1:13:07 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Voigt's pettax not only used as an attack dog on Morf. He confuses regular members, also: ''There isn't any need to come up with a suspect. Becoming famous for not solving the case, unless rock solid nuke proof.''. Bolt: ''Didn't follow a word of that.''.
Oct 1, 2023 0:33:17 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Did you see the funny side of that one, ''Fibbers'' ? Martinez, and across the Carquinez Strait actually. Yes, Smack & Coke - Brown & White Sugar. Z probably imagined he would alert a small army of The FIB to descend on an entirely innocent sugar refinery.
Sept 30, 2023 9:41:35 GMT -8
Rub--law32: But maybe ?: Feb 6th 1980, to FBI Director Webster from a CA address: ''I am very pleased with your ABSCAM investigation. I would like to remind you that organized crime smuggles 90% of its drugs as raw & processed sugar thru the C&H Sugar Co., Benicia.''.
Sept 30, 2023 6:59:41 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: SF Examiner, August 4th 1969: ''When the girls failed to return home by 6:30 pm, Deborah's father Glen Furlong called police.''. Interestingly perhaps, two dates appear assigned to Vallejo on Bryan's door. There is no record of Z ever mentioning Benicia.
Sept 30, 2023 6:09:08 GMT -8
Rub--law32: Z's Dripping Pen card of Nov 8th 1969 claimed for 7 murders, and included the month of August (Aug). This accounts for the false claim of girls Snoozy & Furlong. Why not written on Bryan's car door ? It was:''6.30'' - time girls should have been home by.
Sept 30, 2023 5:46:01 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: An inference: Emma Caldwell (April 5th 2005, Glasgow) has been a spearheading murder victim, as early as Jan 2015. And it was her reinvestigation starting May 2015, which precipitated a move on Jane Doe 59 (Reet Jurvetson), the following month - June 2015.
Sept 30, 2023 3:57:19 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Update: If the case that San Jose PD received a Stine shirt swatch with the Nov 21st 1969 letter. And, given that LAPD acted on Jane Doe 59 in June 2015, then one realistic conclusion: The Zodiac is suspected of murdering Reet Jurvetson, Nov 14th 1969, LA.
Sept 30, 2023 3:18:27 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: You see CA DOJ, these are the sorts of concerns the public might have about your leadership. Granted you appear to have a special relationship with SFPD. But, why did you not inform South Lake Tahoe, Vallejo & Riverside PD's that FBI were case-excluded ?
Sept 30, 2023 2:21:56 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: The FBI: Intelligence Processors of The Zodiac Killer case, in the service of case custodians CA DOJ, 1969 - 2015. Yes, lying FBI - it came to an end. NO LONGER REQUIRED, on account of your Director James Comey's case conduct. Take note, all media outlets.
Sept 30, 2023 1:32:28 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Indeed, the focus will swing from who this man was, to why CA DOJ never solved it. Naturally, CA DOJ should desire to deliver Zodiac justice, but their actual abilities and case leadership will come into question, for performance of FBI alone - shambolic.
Sept 29, 2023 23:52:59 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: One has to wonder where the CA DOJ's head is ? In the sand ? No doubt they have weathered storms before, but the Zodiac case is the slow-burning mother of them all. Unsolved officially, it will never leave; soon to represent no hope left and only ridicule.
Sept 29, 2023 23:06:04 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Sometime never, CA DOJ ? It's still your case and you still remain silent. What's the problem ? The cat got your tongue ? All the public have is a deciphered postscript from May 2022 - a rebuke to FBI's Dan Olson, who still behaves as a criminal. Speak up.
Sept 29, 2023 16:55:05 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: As Duane Davis is charged with the murder of Tupac Shakur, Las Vegas PD's sheriff becomes emotional when pointing out that Shakur's family have waited 27 years for justice. Double those 27 years ? 54 years, and still no Zodiac justice. A disgrace, CA DOJ.
Sept 29, 2023 16:28:41 GMT -8