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Post by Rubislaw32 on Dec 22, 2016 12:57:27 GMT -8
Indeed,PowerLord,I have certainly given the whole Satan Church connection to Zodiac,much thought - as I am sure many readers have,also [?].
Your posts and recounted experiences,have re-awakened possibilities of ''that'' side to Zodiac.
I think it comes down to whether Zodiac used references to Satanism,as yet another ''selection'',in his ''wearing of many hats'' - or,that he was actually connected,in some way,to the Satan Church.
Since we know that the Satan Church actively sought to steal congregations from Churches of conventional Holy Orders,then it is likely that they would have been always considering,ways and means,of enticing ''converts''.
What better way,perhaps,than to ''create'' the coming of the Antichrist [?].It would harden their own followers' beliefs,and show up ''God's Churches'',for not having something similar happen,with a coming of ''their'' Christ [?].
When Zodiac said that he was going to ''do his thing'',we were not really quite sure whether he meant ''murder'' or ''masturbation'' [?].That was the ''Dripping Pen'' card.Though,the Benicia High School note,alludes to this also,with regard to ''Qir School'' - which we assume to be homosexual practices - and naturally,sodomy.
The Dragon card may also have meanings related to anal sex,and sodomy.
And,The Halloween card,looks likely to have suggested Zodiac's intentions for Paul Avery,as a slave in Zodiac's Paradise,which would include buggery,as a punishment for Avery - Zodiac,in effect,extracting his ''Fag Fee'',for unkind things that Avery suggested of Zodiac,in Avery's Newspaper articles.
So,was the idea of Zodiac,representing the coming of ''Satan's Son'',an ''idea'' engineered by the Church of Satan hierarchy,or a follower,like PowerLord's father,to convince the Church of its ''chosen'' religion.
Or,was this just another ''ruse'' by Zodiac ? - another ''string to his bow'' [?] - yet another Red Herring,to confuse those,on his scent [?].
From Rubislaw 32's solution to the Celebrity Cypher,there is a seemingly innocuous line in the solution : SANS SON
Translating into French,it just means ''without its'' or ''without his''.
BUT,it could also be an abbreviated form of ''SATANS SON'' [?].
ALSO,if it represented an abbreviated form for ''SAN FRANCISCOS SON'',then it would literally be referring to ''Bay of Francis Drake's son''[?].
NOW,''Drake'' is the Swedish for Dragon - the name for Satan,in The Book of Revelations.
SO,either way,it is likely that,presumed cipher architect Zodiac,was referring to Satan's son,when he wrote SANS SON,as part of the Cipher's solution.
''Mister Zodiac'',SATAN'S SON.
Zodiac was indeed,a cheeky devil !
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Dec 23, 2016 7:07:26 GMT -8
.....and here's a ''little extra'' food for thought,on the subject,from my previous post :
Lyndon Lafferty was given a copy of the Benicia High School note,by The Benica Police - and a copy of the 1990 Celebrity Cypher,by The Vallejo Police.
Lafferty was informed that Law Enforcement ''felt that there was a connection'' between the two ''presumed'' Zodiac correspondences.
The Benicia High School note [circa Autumn 1972] made reference to ''Byson'' or ''By Son''.
So,what might this note have,in relation to the Celebrity Cypher [September 1990] ?
The solution part ''SANS SON'',could be an abbreviated form for ''SATANS SON'';''SAN FRANCISCOS SON'';''Bay of Francis Drake's son.
OR EVEN....''BAYS SON'' [?]
''BAYS SON'' and ''BY SON'' [?]
Not so far apart.
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Post by PowerLord on Dec 25, 2016 17:58:33 GMT -8
I'm going to go with satan's son Rubis, satan is the great deceiver,and the mission of his followers are to confuse while at the same time making their madness seem coherent,which the zodiac was a master of. I am going to be receiving some pictures and writings from the family that may contain some damning evidence.
There have been a few things come out that make this similarity to my parents a bit creepy.Seems some of the family tree knew of my fathers and mothers madness.Would explain the distance they kept from us all our life.
And in one of my earlier posts I had exclaimed that the son of sam was involved and I need to clarify that in no way did I mean he was in cali. at that time,The similarity of the crimes between the two and the fact that son of sam was entranced by the satanic message can show us the possibility and probable motivation for the zodiac would be the master of darkness,satan. Some people don't believe in the work of demons to be a reality,quite possible these two were receiving the same message.
Both killers were wanting to be caught at times,zodiac made it clear he had something inside him in his letters,something he couldn't control.If you give in to evil,allow it to live inside willingly you still have the other so called angel on the other shoulder making it's case.A call for help in the embrace of pure evil with a lack of making a sane decision.
Satan never made zodiac feel he was worthless,and gave him an avenue of release while maintaining a facade of normalcy in the eyes of some of his family and so called friends,the great deception. All who knew or met this man could feel there was something just not right.I as a child watched this deception work through my father.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Dec 25, 2016 23:04:28 GMT -8
Yes indeed,PowerLord....I ''buy in ''to these possibilities,which you have just articulated very well.
Just on a matter of the Benicia High School note and 1990 Celebrity Cypher,I believe that Law Enforcement's ''conundrum'' is/was initiated by finding a ''forensics'' match between,what is,two correspondences that are 18 years apart.
Two outcomes materialize,in my opinion are,that the Benicia High School note is an example of the ''entity'',known as Zodiac, ''Dumbing down'' deliberately - and,that the solution to the Celebrity Cypher,that I have ''uncovered'',is the correct solution.
So,on these two points,alone,it would not surprise me if,''the authorities'' are currently having to,effectively,''go back to the drawing board'',and be sure that they investigate,underpinned by a ''broader'' remit [?].
Good to discuss this further...and would be nice to see others enter the debate [?].
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Dec 26, 2016 9:06:40 GMT -8
I just want yo take this moment,to touch on the subject of Psycopathy,whose incidence is believed to be one in one hundred women,and three in one hundred men.
It is something that ''normal'' people don't usually notice,since those normal people aren't ''primed'' to be aware of.
A classic example of a psychopath is a ''pickpocket'' or low life con artist.One who really has no consideration for the victim's feelings and,may even deride a ''Schadenfraudel''thrill from their ''advantage taking''.Believing that the victim was just stupid,and that they were ever so clever.
At school,perhaps,when you spotted a friend cheating in an exam,or was accompanying someone in a shop,and see them shoplift an item,making you feel like just wanting to leave.
It can be ''the small things'' that make you say to yourself : ''Now actually,that's not the way it should be.''.
PowerLord referred to this,in his last post : ''All who knew or met this man could feel there was something not right.''
For the most part,a psychopath can appear quite ''normal'' - show generosity,display love,share similar humor.
But once in a while,they tend to bring their character into question,and it seems to be the case that psychopaths are never too far away from some sort of trouble - however minor that can often be.
Because the reality is that they represent a ''wrong fit'' in society,and it is perhaps,inevitable,that the ''rough side'' will expose itself at some point.
Some small ''indiscretions'' may not be noticed,on their own - but eventually,a collection of these indiscretions will amount to something ''ignoble''.
The generally held physiological explanation for a psychopath,is that they suffer from a form of,or were born with,brain damage....that particularly affects their frontal lobes,and in so doing,dulls their senses and awareness of pity,sympathy,humility,empathy etc.
As I have alluded to already,psychopaths will tend to anti-social behavior,since that dividing line,between right and wrong,is often blurred.
Those psychopaths that tend to conduct themselves well,in adult life,have usually had loving and stable upbringings.
Very few psychopaths kill their fellow man,but the propensity to do so,without discernible conscience,will always be there.
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Post by PowerLord on Dec 26, 2016 14:34:48 GMT -8
Rubis that was extremely lucid. I believe there is a gateway,a door if you will, that can be opened by certain people in a psychopaths life.Once that door has been opened and the threshold has been crossed there is no turning back.
I lived with a psychopath for 16 years with no escape until i ran away from home and hit the streets.I learned to gauge the air around him,watch his facial expressions,listen to tones in the voice,read his feelings when he went on a rage or lay in a slump of depression. He sometimes loved the idea of being a martyr in a world nobody else knew,sometimes he was very scared of himself but tried to not let it show, as if he was scared of everyone else,if you wronged him he had to make it clear the only reason he was upset and making it known was to save you from harm,which in turn released him from any weakness.
Normal everyday people get mad,might yell,maybe even hit. Until you've seen a true psychopath enter a satanically driven event then you can't understand the dynamics involved,sexual release,an orgasmic deep saturation of anger,selfishness,shame,inferiority and the drive to conquer these afflictions/addictions with an act of finality and closure only to realize the helpless fact that this insanity will repeat.
The satanic psychopathic killer is a different animal,he isnt in charge of himself or his victims,a scapegoat in place of becoming lost in societies definition of insanity.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Dec 27, 2016 6:11:57 GMT -8
These are powerful images,that you are able to put across,PowerLord.
That you managed to extricate yourself from your father,and at so young an age,is testament to your character - and intelligence.Clearly,you have found a benevolent religion,for support and healing from the madness of the world that you were born into.
And,there really is no doubt that Satanism was introduced,by Zodiac,into his correspondences.The three official greetings cards,various references to slaves and Paradise,and a tendency to relish sadistic imagery and thoughts - all add up to a ''Satanic inspired'' Zodiac.
One feels,at the very least,that Zodiac must have had ''real contact'' with the Church of Satan,for its subject matter to be so evident in his correspondences.
Is it really possible that Zodiac,like a sponge,was merely able to garner the material,through simply reading ? Unlikely.
So,then it comes down to what level of involvement,with the Church,did Zodiac,actually have ? It does seem that Zodiac was adept at spying,stalking,and certainly was capable of impersonation.
Could Zodiac have infiltrated the Church,in order to acquire enough information,for purposes of false representation,in his correspondences ?
There are undoubtedly,other ''sides'' to Zodiac.A batch of clues suggest that Zodiac's ''sense of self'' was based around the Confederate General,Robert E.Lee,in Zodiac's planning and strategy,for his major crimes.
Over the course of Zodiac's letters,he was able to convey a fairly advanced understanding of Applied Sciences and ''useful'' Mathematics.
And Zodiac was,almost certainly,close to a scholar,in his breadth and depth of Literature.
In addition,knowledge of the combustion engine,motorcars and their maintenance.
Satanism,one feels,is something for which Zodiac would have had to hand himself over ''body and soul''.Could he really have ''got away with it'' as an impostor ?
And,if Zodiac was connected to the Church of Satan,would form did this take ? Was he part of the hierarchy ? Or,was ''Zodiac'',a team at play,which designed the ''embodiment'' of the Antichrist,the coming of Satan's son,for the ''marvelment''of its followers and others,alike ?
''Satanic Zodiac'' or ''Eclectic Zodiac'' ?
''Son of Satan'' or ''Son of a Bitch'' ?
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Post by PowerLord on Dec 27, 2016 7:23:48 GMT -8
Well lets review his letter where he exclaims he is upset and will no longer let anyone know of his crimes and telling all that what he does next will be in the guise of seemingly insignificant unrelated to his crimes in the public eye.This is not the actual message he means to convey,it is merely conceding to orders he must follow to appease and feed the blood thirst of up and coming sociopath psychotic satanic members.In other words,a group thing.
We must remember that true sociopaths glean information pertinent to mastering social modes used to control,causing a false sense of high intelligence even to the view of well educated persons.It is deception in its purest form,a deception used by satanists to become as liquid cultish addiction to the unaware.
If you take a step back while looking at the zodiacs codes,become less involved with the scrutiny aspect and become who they are,it is so blazingly obvious that they were created by members together,I can say this with certainty because ive lived in it,watched and unknowingly as a child participated. These arent codes as much as they are signatures, the claiming of all slave participants in the satanic ritual that embodies the zodiac.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Dec 28, 2016 20:57:14 GMT -8
I am trying to absorb,all that I can,PowerLord....of your previous post,and those before.
By ''sociopaths'',I am assuming that we are referring to those of a psychopathic disposition,that enact anti-social behavior [?].
Neither of us,I presume,are psychologists [?] - but nonetheless,there are certain types of behavior,that are apparent and evident,in explanation,to most members of a society.
Most of the behavior of your father,that you have described - I would suggest,is that of a manic depressive,and bully [?].
The psychopathic element,in someone,is far more subtle,in its manifestation.
I am in agreement that psychopaths and sociopaths copy and glean information,for the purposes of control.But it should be pointed out,that they are not,by nature,''team players''.They,more often than not,act alone,or with perhaps a single accomplice,if confident that that accomplice is under their control.
I am in no way,''hair splitting'' with you,nor in whole disagreement,with you...but are you suggesting that your father could have been used as a ''tool of violence'',that was forever under the control of a manipulative group,from the Church of Satan,and that his ''hands were tied'',with no opportunity to express individualism,at any time ?
This scenario is not how many people would view Zodiac.
But I am sure the readers here,would be most interested for you to elaborate,further [?].
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Post by PowerLord on Dec 30, 2016 5:47:22 GMT -8
Until you've been exposed to a group of mind controlling very cool composured sadistic animals you will never know what I do.
The bad thing here is how much money is a life worth? Why has the case gone cold? Is a life or the lives of families torn apart not worth the time or money for all and any leads to be followed? We're only here on this earth for a minute anyway,there should be nothing we won't do.
That being said, the details i have told here are all facts that happened in that time of the zodiac,in the same area.If this site is monitored I should have been contacted by LE over it.
The zodiac bragged he knew he was untouchable,its the sign of a killer that didnt work alone and had the comfort and security of having a power over him that he believed would take care of everything.When his mother moved him from one part of the family to the next,from one part of the country to the other every time he acted out,he was being helped,protected,and encouraged by a power greater than him.
This has been covered up to protect.Go back through some of the things ive said here,its mind boggling,its true,and its discarded.And its sad.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Dec 30, 2016 6:43:52 GMT -8
No one is seeking to disclaim anything that you have,so far,conveyed,PowerLord.
That you have put across,regarding the Church of Satan,is quite shocking,particularly,in respect to the subjection of minors,such as you were,at the time.
But you really must consider informing the authorities of your experiences,with that malevolent Church [?].You can't just leave it down,to just hoping that the authorities,will pick up on it,on this site.
This ''ZKM'' site,is,naturally,about the case of The Zodiac Killer,specifically.
I believe that,given certain information regarding Satanic practices,it is beyond doubt that,the ''entity'',known as Zodiac,did introduce Satanic subject matter,into his correspondences.
But,one could argue,that is ''all'' that we have actually established [?].What now is ''up for grabs'',is to what extent,the Satanic element found its way into the correspondences ? Was Zodiac an infiltrator of The Church of Satan,in order to create a ''ruse'',of their involvement ? Or,was it the Church,itself,that was behind the ''phenomenon'',of The Zodiac Killer ?
On the surface,and given all of Zodiac's other interests,that come to the fore,we really are looking at an ''Eclectic Zodiac''.
But,since Satanism appears to play a substantive influence,in the correspondences,then a genuine ''Satanic Zodiac'',is always possible.
One cannot expect,to shift everyone's opinion,in one ''fell swoop'' [?].
I believe that the reality on the case of The Zodiac Killer,PowerLord,is that it has never gone cold.Over the years,enthusiasts have centered their attention on San Francisco and its vicinity.This,indeed,is where the ''High profile'' crimes took place.....but time and time again,it is often overlooked,that it is Federal Law Enforcement that holds jurisdiction over the case.
Cases,such as ''Zodiac's'' are constantly reviewed.....but,in Washington D.C. ! Not San Francisco.
Don't lose heart,PowerLord.You may have to start ''helping yourself'',on the Satan side.
And with the Zodiac Case,on this site,we just work through it,piece by piece,with anyone wishing,making their contribution to the debate.
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Post by PowerLord on Dec 30, 2016 6:44:20 GMT -8
And Rubis I majored in psychology in college so I do understand the academic and professional views on the the criminal aspects of psychopathy and sociopathic behaviour,most of what you believe you know or what you are are taught are what we call book smarts and have nothing to do with common sense hands on knowledge.
Once you ad a satanic coven to the mix it changes everything,the dynamics are endless,the avenues of insanity are endless.
An example of my parents sociopath behaviour were evident two days ago when my little brother was almost murdered,they were at the hospital with bouts of fake emotion that everyone around were puzzled by,everyone steered clear of these two,people have always done this around these two beings.
Heres a little bomb I'll drop on you. Paul Stine was an oklahoma native,so is my father and they were very close in age. The satanic church I talk of was mixed in with a seventh day adventist church at the time,it was allowed to operate in plain sight because it claimed to be a christian church.This all runs deeper that any of you can understand.
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Post by PowerLord on Dec 30, 2016 7:01:42 GMT -8
We have notified authorities over the years about both of them,and have been ignored.What can you do?
Heres another bomb I thought I would drop,Paul Stine knew Darlene Ferrin,Darlene Ferrin worked at the phone company,where do you think my mother worked?Yep you guessed it,the phone company. Connection after connection,my mother was also born in oklahoma if that says anything.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Dec 30, 2016 8:06:25 GMT -8
I,for one,am taking on board your posts,PowerLord.
And that ''Psychology major ''of yours,can be a useful addition to this site.
If I might suggest,regarding your parents,to try to get a local reporter interested [?].The subject of Satanism is traditionally of interest,to the press.And most journalists have higher morals and integrity,than are often given credit.
To share it with someone that you feel that you can trust [?].
More recently,I have had to ''spread myself'',after witnessing senior policemen,effectively,lying.In this case,I approached a politician.Merely to ''register'' with someone of influence,can fulfill a sort of self protection [?].
Being an ''Accuser'' is not a nice ''place'' to be,and one's ''disposability'' can become apparent [!].
I don't take ''coincidence'' lightly,but there are often so many ''strange entanglements'' to cases.Particularly with ''Geographic proximity''.of course.
There is a suspect with known close geographic and time ties to the Domingos/Edwards case of 1963,and Emma Caldwell case of 2005.
Two different continents,and fifty-two years.....who would have thought it ?
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Post by PowerLord on Dec 30, 2016 8:12:31 GMT -8
In the police report michael says that a car pulled up behind them that looked similar to darlenes corvair,no other car looks like a corvair.My parents vehicle at that time? A silver corvair.Then a light colored vehicle showed up and the shooting began.
What happened here was a spotting,first car spots the two people to be murdered,first car goes back to killers car and lets him know they are there.
Tell ya what Rubis,I'm not gonna run around again like my sister did and get looked at like I'm a nut case by LE. If this site is monitored and I havent said enough or made any connection to warrant a message from them,then i guess God just doesnt see this as a good deal for me.
These are all connected,people knew each other in this dark sinister group.
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