Post by Rubislaw32 on Dec 18, 2016 22:24:37 GMT -8
Yes,its an interesting message from the ''1971 Forgotten Letter'' cipher solution - on the basis that the Heck's solution is correct - which I believe it is.
So,if the solution is accepted as correct,it then comes down to ''interpretation'' of the message.
Indeed,it has often been heard,by fathers and teachers of children alike - the figurative warning that ''I will skin you alive !'' - as a proposal of punishment,for perceived misbehavior.
With the solution to the 1990 Celebrity Cypher,that I have offered....again,the solution is open to subtly different interpretations....possibly a slur on the San Francisco Police...or a self deprecation message to Paul Avery,from ''his'' Secret Pal.
I had no idea,PowerLord,that the Zodiac cross-hair symbol can represent ''Son of Satan'' - a stunning revelation !
So there seems to be a quite rational connection,between Zodiac signing as ''Son of Satan'',and his aspirations to be the equal of Satan,by collecting slaves for his Paradise,in the Afterlife [?].
Converting this ''abstraction'' into the real world,I wonder if Zodiac aspired to become equal to his father [?].Or replace his father [?].Or ''unshackle'' and unburden himself of an empowering hold,that his father had over him [?].
Now that you mention it,PowerLord,a few of us must feel stupid [?].It had not occurred to me that ''Diablo'' means ''Devil''.The mountains now hold a ''myriad of possibilities'',on interpretation [?].
I am still digesting the ''seemingly'' simple explanation of Zodiac signing for his letters as,in effect,''Son of Satan''.
Were you,PowerLord,aware of this,as soon as you saw the Zodiac letters ?
You give a good description of your father,who appears to be ''burly'',as reported of Zodiac.Height of Zodiac is so contentious - but 5ft 10in is mid range for parameters,that have been reported.
It is indeed strange that your parents allowed you to walk to school,when there appears to have been almost ''curfew'' conditions placed on children's safety [?].
Again I ask a question,in perhaps a naive manner - but is it the case,that your church,in handing out those ''cross hair'' badges,were celebrating ''Zodiac'',as the coming of ''Son of Satan'' ?
General readership seems to be all about the Newspapers refusing to accede to Zodiac's request that badges/buttons be made and distributed.The Newspapers,as became apparent,decided to wear ones stating ''I am not Paul Avery'',to get back at Zodiac.
It would therefore be quite sobering,to think that Zodiac got his wishes on badges - but through the church [?].
I am just posting the ''Forgotten Letter'',in full,with minor errors corrected,for possible reference purposes.The first half is in cipher form - and when deciphered,as the Hecks,appear to have succeeded in doing,forms the first half of a complete letter.
The Forgotten Letter [circa January-March 1971] :
THIS IS THE ZODIAC SPEAKING
WHY CANT YOU STOP ME ?
I CANT STOP KILLING
STOP LISTENING TO PHONIES
IF THIS IS NOT ON THE FRONT PAGE IN A WEEK I WILL SKIN 3 LITTLE KIDS AND MAKE A SUIT FROM THE SKIN
ILL DO IT BECAUSE IVE DONE IT 21 TIMES
I CANT STOP BECAUSE EACH THAT I KILL MAKES IT WORSE AND I MUST KILL MORE
MAN IS THE MOST PRIZED GAME
ILL NEVER GIVE MY NAME BECAUSE YOU DONT UNDERSTAND
NEXT TIME I WILL SEND A PATCH OF HUMAN SKIN IF THERE IS SOME LEFT OVER
Post by Rubislaw32 on Dec 19, 2016 13:17:43 GMT -8
Poetry in motion [?].
In light of PowerLord revealing that the familiar cross-hair symbol,that Zodiac signed many of his letters with,in all probability,represents ''Son Of Satan'',research indicates the following :
The Bible's ''Book of Revelations'',refers to ''Son of Satan'' as ''Antichrist'' or ''Beast''.
Satan is referred to as ''Dragon''.
Zodiac enthusiasts may note ''The Dragon Card'',mailed to The San Francisco Chronicle,April 28th 1970.In this card,Zodiac appears to be upbeat.He has his bomb primed,and requests that the Newspaper make some Zodiac Buttons,and distribute them ''about town''.
The front of the card depicts a man riding a donkey,who expresses sympathy to a fellow traveler,with the words : ''Sorry to hear your ass is a Dragon''.
Naturally,the joke being a play on words,with regard to the fellow traveler's struggle with progress,or indeed,having a ''less than fit'' posterior.
But,could the imagery run a lot more deeper ?
The fellow traveler [''Son of Satan''],struggling to conquer his Dragon [Satan] ?
''Zodiac'' wrestling to achieve control,and ''victory'',over an empowering ''father figure'' ?
Rubis I have never looked at the zodiac details until now,I'm sure the person that runs this forum can tell you I have only just started to look at details from this forum. I will give you some insight as to why Im here though. I knew the SIGN as soon as I saw it Rubis,I saw that routinely.
In June of last year I all of the sudden drew $2k out of the bank,jumped in the car and headed to California from here in Oklahoma,no plans just a drive to find some truth,this happened shortly after having a spiritual awakening.It had been 35 yrs since i had seen my home town of Fremont and my birth place San Jose.This wasn't a pleasure filled vacation,it took on a business like fact of the matter trip.
My car was directed to all houses I had lived in as a youngster and the foster home where the child my parents had showed interest in I told you about.Mind you I hadn't been to these places in 35 yrs. And shouldn't have known the foster houses location from adam.The feeling I got when coming close to the foster home was of sadness,loathe and impending doom.Later I found out this home was run by the church.My brother knew the exact location of the foster home also,he told me where I went.
All these years I had never put the zodiac and my parents in connection,I was trying to get through life putting my childhood in the past until the monster woke to cause more pain in what I feel now was a last stab at being the all powerful zodiac bragger.and oh how he bragged to all! He had called me on the phone bragging how there was nothing I could do about the children he had hurt,he also blamed his problems on all of us KIDS..
Last Edit: Dec 19, 2016 18:06:56 GMT -8 by PowerLord
The october 5th letter with part of it upside down makes the cross turn upside down to meet the 13,Hallow eve holiday in satanic runs from oct. 13 thru the 30. There are also 13 black dots on that letter,he is in the throes of his masters month of harvest.
Last Edit: Dec 19, 2016 20:49:00 GMT -8 by PowerLord
Our answers to these crimes lie in the satanists in the bay area who are still alive from that era,I was part of the ritual abuse.I connect the dots easily because i lived it,my parents are involved and I believe this.Oct 13,1974 Arliss perry was mudered at a stanford church,it was linked to satanic activity,all of these were connected and performed by a satanic cult with an executioner,SAM was involved,the church campus murderer fits the zodiac description.
Some very moving ''snapshots'' of your past,PowerLord.
If I may,can I pick up on a few points [?].
I can see that you are relatively new to whole ''Zodiac phenomenon'' - but your interpretations are all the more convincing,for this,in light of the ''close encounter'' element to your experiences.
With the El Diablo mountains the ''vanquishing purity'' certainly resonates.Too many read just ''too'' much into their significance [?].Bad things happened,and there is little point to use compasses,rulers and the like,to offer ''wide of the mark'' reasons,other than the selection of this mountain range,to do bad things.
I suspect,PowerLord,that at the time,you were encouraged to journey to school on your own,that your parents were at the height of their ''love affair'' with the Satan Church [?].I see this possible excitement for the Church,over Zodiac's ''visitation'',as a sign of the coming of the ''Antichrist'' - and that some followers might see it as a ''divine'' gesture to offer Zodiac,a child [?].The followers would still not know where to find Zodiac - but if a stray child went missing,and assumed to have been taken by Zodiac - then there might have been a sense of ''fulfillment'' for the Church followers [?].
Poor you ! - like ''bait'' for a stray tiger [!].
At least in sharing your experiences,you ''sort of'' know that it might be ''clocked'' by the authorities - which is probably not so bad,in that they will,at least,look into it [?].As you have recounted,so many bad things happened,and the rest of the world seemed to ignore it,and ''walk on the other side of the street'',at that time.
It just seems so unforgivable,that adults were allowed to subject minors to all that,which fascinated them [?].
Your insight into this case,brings something extra,that has not been considered - at least in any detail or real knowledge,through experience,anyway.
I try to ''refine'' speculation on the case,as much as possible - but remain open on many areas.Having a suspect [....as I do...],is bound to make some difference to how one views elements of the case,but its so important to embrace other's viewpoints [?].
An overriding view,is that Zodiac was extremely well read,and ''lived'' motorcars on a day to day basis.Therefore,he always had ''untethered'' mobility,and abilities to become,almost any sort of person,that he wished.
Rubis I never looked at it that way,you have just opened some truth to my past that I havent understood.So many dynamics to all of this,so may twists.There are so many similarities to the murders in my life and there are many more horror stories also,all of them true just as what I've already put out there.
And on the cultists knowing the zodiac,I kinda meant that the perpetrators would only know.
I also believe that the cab driver was killed elsewhere and driven to his final destination,a general motors worker that drives cars off the line usually does this from the opposite side of the driver side.Ive watched it many times back then.But thats just my opinion.
I know alot of what I have said here can be looked at as a bad childhood and coincidence,but I know what I've seen and heard. These scars are still pretty deep.
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I have God on my side,he has always protected me through this,what drives me to conclude my parents satanic crimes will eventually open to a clearing and offer some closure to their children and hopefully others,I will not stop until this evil answers to Gods justice
Just last year before my fathers last hoorah,he was caught trying to lure a 3 yr old next door neighbor girl for a tour of the shop in back of the house,thats when we tried to have him committed and my mother covered for him by saying he had dementia and early alzheimers,all of the dr's that we talked with that read his tests said there wasnt a thing wrong with him. And that is what led him to exclaim he was guilty but nobody could touch him anyway.
And after all that,nobody has???
Last Edit: Dec 20, 2016 11:55:22 GMT -8 by PowerLord
ee this possible excitement for the Church,over Zodiac's ''visitation'',as a sign of the coming of the ''Antichrist'' - and that some followers might see it as a ''divine'' gesture to offer Zodiac,a child [?].The followers
Post by Rubislaw32 on Dec 20, 2016 15:12:43 GMT -8
Yes,it must be a difficult ''call'' for you,on your parents,who just seem largely in denial [?].
One senses that the past will catch up with your father,eventually....particularly if he continues in this vain [?].
In the UK,we are undergoing massive purges on historic sexual abuse,with major police operations,and many ''still living'' celebrities from the Arts and Politics,in particular,ending up having to spend the rest of their days in prison.The purge on the sports world has just started,with football coaches,in particular,under scrutiny.
On a point of the Zodiac phenomenon,yes,many aspects remain up for debate.I put together a ''faction'' account of what transpired in the ten minutes,or so,before Paul Stines death.This was based on examining police reports...but of course,it may not have happened,precisely as I intimated.
I do think,though,that Law Enforcement have a much better idea of what transpired,than we think they have - and your theory may well be closer the mark [?].
Having suspects can be a good driving force to keep researching and investigating the case.I started by spending three years on a single murder,which gained some recognition from the police,and,to an extent,allowed me to find out what ''they'' had on that case,and how it differed from my interpretation.
So,as amateurs,we tend to always be up against it [!],since the cops are loathe to give anything away !
But,persistence can pay off,and getting the press ''onside'',can open doors.
It really depends on one's desire to uncover the truth.
Rubislaw32: There you go FBI - another example of the FBI (Comey) leaving a mess behind, through having the arrogance of believing that you are a law unto yourselves. Is it any wonder Riverside PD never wanted you in their back yard ? Mucky pups, crooks & thugs.
Sept 29, 2022 8:20:32 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Recriminations were brutal in the wake of James Comey's ''visitation''. 4 senior police officers at the C.C.U. were singled out and shamed, losing their jobs under varying description. Also to go were two Chief Constables and Head of the Police Authority.
Sept 29, 2022 5:35:33 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Why did Congress not get to hear about any of this ? Because Robert Mueller's unredacted report into Comey's dismissal was offered to them, on the basis that they not divulge those parts to the the public. Congress refused, as a matter of moral principle.
Sept 29, 2022 4:54:06 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: e-mails were being intercepted by senior police behaving like puerile schoolboys at Police Scotland's Counter Corruption Unit - bearing in mind that Comey was also tasked with investigating Mrs Clinton's e-mails on the basis of possible security breaches.
Sept 29, 2022 4:14:06 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: It is certainly ironic that Mr Comey was tasked with investigating Russian intervention in the 2016 US Presidential Election when, for all IOCCO knew initially, Comey without security clearance, could have been a Russian spy. In addition, that Comey's...
Sept 29, 2022 4:07:30 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: A fly on the wall ? : ''This is Director Comey of The FIB speaking with a stolen Zodiac case file for The Lord Advocate - could you rush me through please ?''. (IOCCO - aside) : ''Someone get on the phone to Mi5 - looks like we may have a Russian agent.''.
Sept 28, 2022 15:34:50 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Now out of track on credulity, the FBI are seen as the Zodiac-lepers, with the CA DOJ delivering their damnation on May 14th 2022. A new meaning for their once proud name ''The Untouchables'' - the FBI making their case skeletons even more conspicuous.
Sept 28, 2022 12:43:36 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: For the FBI since May 9th 2017, it has been about selling the false perception they hold a key role in the Zodiac case - then using this to peddle their dishonest proclamations. The reality ? DOJ's don't want nor need what the FBI are touting as info..
Sept 28, 2022 12:08:30 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Indeed FBI - ''You don't know what you got until you lose it''. First call after Trump booted Comey's a*s ? Get cosy with Hearst because you're going to need a media mogul perpetuating the myth that you are still at the heart of Zodiac investigations.
Sept 28, 2022 11:46:10 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: they weren't required. Just too dramatic, and for theatrical effect. He was caught red-handed (IOCCO) on March 4th 2015 when he was busy trying to convince The Crown Office that he was in charge of the Zodiac case. Dishonest, but comical.
Sept 28, 2022 11:08:45 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...things. Indeed, a ''shady character'' - that Mr Comey. I would place him somewhere between Norman Bates and Basil Fawlty, if you get my drift. All those tears as if he had been hard done by, and those oaths that he kept taking in public when ....
Sept 28, 2022 11:02:04 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ''...they were no longer needed.'' ? A bit slow on the uptake though, FBI ? Must have come as a shock that you had been replaced by Stone Ghost, as Intelligence processors for the CA DOJ ? But then, your ex-Director Comey hadn't told you lots of...
Sept 28, 2022 10:57:32 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: CA DOJ are unable to avail us of such luxuries, there's always focusing on the fraud-peddlers of the case - the FBI. For 45 years this agency did their best impersonation of Rip Van Winkle, then suddenly woke up to the fact that they were no longer needed.
Sept 27, 2022 16:53:23 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Reasons to be cheerful : For Zodiac followers there never really is, until this Zodiac case is resolved once and for all. An alive Zodiac brought to justice and explaining himself to his victims' families would be a relative joy to behold. But, while the..
Sept 27, 2022 16:46:09 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: This is what has yet to impact publicly, FBI : The sheer scale of your internal investigations to ascertain the missed opportunities in tracking the Zodiac as a compulsive extortionist. The bitterest pill FBI ? He was extorting you yourselves - big time.
Sept 27, 2022 13:16:33 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ..Graham and have him make a tape to be heard in the compound. They will come out after hearing his words - a religious man whom they can trust to speak words of the truth.''. Mt Carmel, Waco ? Carmel (1990 Celebrity Cipher) ? Carmel - Stage-prop computer.
Sept 27, 2022 10:21:32 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: There was certainly one individual responsible for a host of letters both in the advent and wake of the Waco tragedy - ''ring-fenced'' by the FBI with a handwritten ''Dear'', and included allusions to ''favourites'' like Rev Billy Graham : ''Contact Billy
Sept 27, 2022 10:13:01 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: worked in an FBI office a few years ago. My wife and I know first-hand how decent and sensitive you bureau people are. Your agency is a special group.''. Then-FBI Director William Sessions, was in office for just 2 months beyond the FBI's Waco storming.
Sept 27, 2022 9:50:31 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...handled the situation at Waco in an excellent manner. Responsible citizens can be proud of the FBI's sincere efforts to resolve the situation peacefully. You were dealing with a lunatic who was clearly a danger to all law-abiding citizens. My daughter..
Sept 27, 2022 9:40:50 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: ...the FBI's ABSCAM sting operation and the FBI's storming of the Mt Carmel compound at Waco TX, April 19th 1993, leaving 76 people dead including 25 children. The Zodiac's arsenal included the ability to ''damn with faint praise''. Example : ''The FBI...
Sept 27, 2022 9:33:48 GMT -8