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Post by Rubislaw32 on Jul 23, 2016 0:43:17 GMT -8
I have noted that the Tim Holt comic,which contains the ''Four By's'',on the back of the Halloween Card,also holds reference to ''The Lady of Doom''.
Since,it is becoming apparent that,there is an overwhelming case [...by quantity of examples alone...],that there is a connection between Zodiac and Robert E.Lee,the Townsend ''Doom'' pamphlet,no less plays its influencing part.
Time,time again,we see ''symbiosis'' of thought processes,in Zodiac's ''constructions'' and ''deliveries''.
If we are to accept that the cross on the inside of the Halloween Card is ''The Southern Cross'',we are immediately into ''13''territory,with its symbolism of the 13 unofficial Confederate States.Re-affirmed by the inference of the 13 slaves already collected,on the inside of the card.
BUT - ''The Southern Cross'' is also a well known ''night sky'' star formation....and thoughts of 13 Lunar moons bring us into the Astrology/Astronomy ''arena of thought''.An example of Zodiac's red herring ''technique'' [?].
By accident,or design,good fortune was often on Zodiac's side - and this includes a single defining message.
As a general observation,Zodiac seemed to ''keep his options open'' - allowing room for red herrings in all aspects of his ''art''.
With the Halloween Card,apart from the obvious inference of threat upon Paul Avery's person,there is one indisputable theme,though :
A subjugation and subjection of innocents - SLAVERY.
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Oct 22, 2016 2:27:01 GMT -8
As all readers will be aware,Zodiac's Halloween card,sent to investigative journalist,Paul Avery,was effectively,a threat on his person,manifested in a multitude of inferences.Not least,that Zodiac foresaw Avery as his 14th victim.
No other Zodiac document has demanded so much attention,through the multitude of perceived clues offered.It is no surprise,therefore,that we forever re-visit the card,seeking more knowledge.
With regard to ''tiny detail'',we can only make the best of the quality of copy on offer.
Focusing on the Skeleton on the front cover of the card,perceived as depicting Zodiac,himself :
What is depicted in the eyes of the skull ? Particularly,with respect to the skull's right-hand orbit [?].
It is very difficult to make out,precisely.One suggestion,of interest,is that the eye orbit,contains a depiction of a jet airliner,flying left to right,from the observer's perspective.
Another clue,perhaps,that Zodiac was a ''travelling man'' [?].
Any further suggestions would be appreciated.In addition,interpretation on other pictorial ''minutia'' [?].
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Oct 25, 2016 22:41:22 GMT -8
I have noted an unsubstantiated claim,that as Paul Avery removed The Halloween card,from its envelope [...on receiving the item of mail...],that the pumpkin,covering the ''nether regions'' of the skeleton,on the card's front,fell off,as if it had only been partially ''stuck on''.
If true,then firstly,it suggests that the pumpkin cut-out,did actually,emanate from Zodiac.I have proposed the idea that Law Enforcement had elected to show the card to the public,employing a pumpkin cut-out,to mask what they do not wish the public,to see.
Whether true or not,Law Enforcement still decided that they did not wish the public to view,what was behind the pumpkin [?].
In these sorts of instances,it does come to mind that,Mr.Avery,being as he was such a ''crusader'' for truth and transparency,never did inform his readers,nor indeed,others that might have spread the word.
Clearly,there are ''done deals'' made,between the police and press,in the recognized interests of particular cases.
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Post by Ricardo on Nov 21, 2016 1:31:24 GMT -8
I have noted an unsubstantiated claim,that as Paul Avery removed The Halloween card,from its envelope [...on receiving the item of mail...],that the pumpkin,covering the ''nether regions'' of the skeleton,on the card's front,fell off,as if it had only been partially ''stuck on''. If true,then firstly,it suggests that the pumpkin cut-out,did actually,emanate from Zodiac.I have proposed the idea that Law Enforcement had elected to show the card to the public,employing a pumpkin cut-out,to mask what they do not wish the public,to see. Whether true or not,Law Enforcement still decided that they did not wish the public to view,what was behind the pumpkin [?]. In these sorts of instances,it does come to mind that,Mr.Avery,being as he was such a ''crusader'' for truth and transparency,never did inform his readers,nor indeed,others that might have spread the word. Clearly,there are ''done deals'' made,between the police and press,in the recognized interests of particular cases. Law enforcement could have chosen to withhold the image of the Halloween card (as had been done previously with other Zodiac correspondence). It would not have been necessary to add a pumpkin cut-out. When the image was released, law enforcement wanted to show the pumpkin cut-out on the Halloween card. The pumpkin cut-out may itself be a clue from the Zodiac killer.  |
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Nov 21, 2016 9:36:45 GMT -8
Yes,Mr.Richard Grinnell has proffered the possibility that the pumpkin might be connected to an agricultural festival,that the town were holding,to celebrate Halloween;in the book ''To Kill a Mockingbird''.Since Harper Lee's book undoubtedly holds influences on the card,his suggestion can't be dismissed,out of hand [?].
The pumpkin just seems too big,to disguise ''nothing in particular'' [?].
I have recently requested information from Kevin Fagan [SF Chronicle],with regard to library cards at Fairfield and Vallejo.He appears unwilling to supply this information.
Not just Law Enforcement,holding back,then [?][!].
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Dec 6, 2016 17:22:33 GMT -8
Albeit,both skeletons depicted in the Halloween Card are,to an extent,''cartoon'' versions,there is a distinct difference,between the skeleton on the front [presumably Zodiac],and the one contained within the card [presumably Paul Avery].
The ''arch'' at the bottom of each pelvic bone,is known as ''The Pubic Arch'',and is more pronounced and wider,for the female of the human species.
Effectively,Paul Avery's skeleton is MALE - and Zodiac's skeleton is FEMALE [!].
So,perhaps,if Zodiac knew that the skeleton on the front was female,he may have had to make ''adjustments'' to leave the reader in no doubt that the skeleton depicting him,Zodiac,displayed his ''manhood'' [?].
[....this,I have conjectured before,in a more ''puerile'' context of Zodiac displaying his ''sodomistic'' intentions towards the hapless and trapped,Paul Avery.]
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Post by Davb on Dec 8, 2016 10:24:02 GMT -8
I read the skeleton's where copy's or cut out of a greeting card
how was the lettering done ?
not many white markers will cover black paper , white out and a lettering brush ?
it does not seem to be cut out of white paper
I'd bet many an artist would have trouble dupicating the card .
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Dec 8, 2016 14:21:08 GMT -8
Yes,the composition of the Halloween card,in terms of ''graphic additions'',probably represents the closest that Zodiac came,to creating a true ''work of Art'' [?].
The skeleton on the front,is of course,part of the original card - but the second skeleton,contained within,is an addition.So far,no one has been able to ascertain its source.
Yes,it does not seem likely that ''white out'' was employed,for some of the extra symbols/lettering.Not least because ''white out'' is chalk based,and may have crumbled,on the ''shiny'' smooth purple/black surface.
Strange how the white marking gives off a luminescent quality - but possibly just the purple/black background giving this 'effect'.
Zodiac had made mention of using ''aircraft cement'',in a letter,and we are to assume that he was quite keen on aircraft modelling,as a pastime.Since modelling paint is usually,either acrylic or oil based,then it is possible that he used this,in conjunction with a fountain pen,to create the white markings [?].
Any Graphic Artists,please feel free to add to this debate.
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Post by Davb on Dec 9, 2016 8:43:16 GMT -8
Yeah I forgot that about white out , but fountain pens needed thin ink
There is a paint pen junk yards used then ,I had two
That could have been used
Any pic of the original card?
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Dec 9, 2016 13:15:29 GMT -8
I see that Ricardo has posted the original front of the Halloween card,in this section.I have seen the original inside of the card - I forget where,but often is a good idea to access images,by simply typing up a title [e.g. Zodiac Killer's Halloween card] - then categorizing ''images'',for access.Then you get a whole bunch of relevant images,to pick and choose.
I note that certain Zodiac website members have made extended efforts,to find the source of that second skeleton,without success.
It seems to me that a possible solution,could be to track down children's comic publications,at that time.Often was the case,that these publications offered a ''free gift inside'' - like some transfers,or even a plastic pair of scissors.
Scrap books and ''stickers'' albums,were very en vogue for children,at that time,and it is possible that the second skeleton was offered as a ''pop out'' gift,from a comic publication [?].
Hence,its ''evasion'' to be found - so many just ended up in a trash can,or in a personal scrap book,never to be seen again.
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Post by Ricardo on Mar 26, 2017 3:15:06 GMT -8
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Post by Rubislaw32 on Mar 27, 2017 4:51:54 GMT -8
Fascinating footage of Paul Avery being interviewed,shortly after receiving The Halloween Card.
Avery appears remarkably cool.....unflappable and articulate.
The notable adjective that he employed to describe ''The Zodiac'',was ''Cunning''.
Yes,''The Zodiac'' was an architect of ''The Cunning Stunt''.
And,by name,a spoonerism of this [?].
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Post by PowerLord on May 25, 2017 22:33:43 GMT -8
Ok here is where I must explain that my family had a huge freemason involvement,also a seventh day adventist lineage,and my father being a Navy seabee during Nam you can imagine all of the codes and ciphers he was privy to,how many he must have learned,maybe even making up his own mixed signal ciphers,look the name Garroutte up for Freemasonry. As I have explained here before his family were farmers and cattle ranchers in the Salinas valley and still are to this day. Rubislaw had become very interested in a cattle brand chart I had shown,but I have found it goes much deeper than this. Our last name is french.And I do believe the zodiac used some french freemason ideas in his halloween cards,although his were crude you might see a connection in these pics,along with that there could be an SDA connection also.Freemasonry and skeletons go hand in hand....    The Secret Pal in his card is also a long time SDA childrens dept. it even had an application to fill out for your new secret pal,you can find info on it and I will supply some links. Another thing I noticed in this card is the 14 in the hand of the zodiac card skeleton,now if you count the bones from the neck and the ribs in the skeleton on the zodiac card there are 14 also,why would he have to reiterate 14? Or could he have meant both 14's to be added together to equate to the 28 fundamental beliefs of the seventh day adventist? Those are public also on the net.The freemasons use skeletons for many things and most are dark. The 14 in freemasonry is also a signs of the knights templar 14th century/ |
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Post by PowerLord on May 25, 2017 22:57:04 GMT -8
Ok here is where I must explain that my family had a huge freemason involvement,also a seventh day adventist lineage,and my father being a Navy seabee during Nam you can imagine all of the codes and ciphers he was privy to,how many he must have learned,maybe even making up his own mixed signal ciphers,look the name Garroutte up for Freemasonry. As I have explained here before his family were farmers and cattle ranchers in the Salinas valley and still are to this day. Rubislaw had become very interested in a cattle brand chart I had shown,but I have found it goes much deeper than this. Our last name is french.And I do believe the zodiac used some french freemason ideas in his halloween cards,although his were crude you might see a connection in these pics,along with that there could be an SDA connection also.Freemasonry and skeletons go hand in hand.... The Secret Pal in his card is also a long time SDA childrens dept. it even had an application to fill out for your new secret pal,you can find info on it and I will supply some links. Another thing I noticed in this card is the 14 in the hand of the zodiac card skeleton,now if you count the bones from the neck and the ribs in the skeleton on the zodiac card there are 14 also,why would he have to reiterate 14? Or could he have meant both 14's to be added together to equate to the 28 fundamental beliefs of the seventh day adventist? Those are public also on the net.The freemasons use skeletons for many things and most are dark. Couldn't add this pic to the original post,but also in this pic there is a use of single eyes,which could point to a freemason meaning of the all seeing eye,these aren't pairs of eyes,they are single. Attachments:
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Post by Rubislaw32 on May 27, 2017 0:55:01 GMT -8
Good to see you posting again,PowerLord,and contributing some fascinating possible incites to content of The Halloween Card.
I think that most would agree that Zodiac created a ''minefield'' of mixed messages,when creating that card [?].
The ''Freemasonry'' angle has earned its inclusion,among many others [?][...Slavery,Lunar Moons,Cars,Satanism,Sodomy,Numerology,Cryptology,Astrology,Anatomy,Puerility,Virility,Mortality,History...phew...].
Very interesting that you should mention The Knights Templar...a ''forerunner'' to the Freemasons and perhaps,the beginnings of Protestantism [?].This ''Band'' were largely responsible for the Christian Crusades,and properly running Christianity as a ''viable surviving business''.
Subsequent appointed Popes tried to disband The Knights Templar,on account that they believed that Jesus and Mary had an illegitimate son.A threat to conventional teachings [?].
But perhaps,a ''factual'' resonance with Zodiac ?
Please keep the research contributions coming.The Halloween Card is forever fascinating and ''infuriating'',at the same time [?].
Perhaps the one time we might,reluctantly,admit to Zodiac that : ''We are not worthy'' [?][!].
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