Richard Walter is going to be on John Walsh's "The Hunt" tomorrow night, if you want to see him in action. That is on CNN. He will be profiling a different case than the Z case.
Mike that's quite a coincidence because I came here, after reading the blog of another site, to message you about this very person and the profile. I know absolutely nothing about Walter nor was aware he'd ever given a profile or his opinion on Zodiac and his identity. If you have time to do so Mike, could you give me a rundown of Walters work on this case, how he came to become involved, what research did he do etc etc. I really would appreciate it. I have never heard of him before reading your post on another site prior to coming here, so any background in case work would help to gain a better understanding of him and his career. The names I associate with the elite set of profilers are John Douglas and Robert Ressler but that's only because they are the two who seem to feature in most cases on TV where a profiler is brought in to a case.
I don't even know why myself but I, for some instinctive reason, have always believed that the solving of this case and the uncovering of Z's identity is in the Paul Stine/Presidio events. If you go over at ZKS.com on one of the Paul Stine threads I said this on that site and this was before I knew there even was a 'Suspect X' let alone had heard the name Kjell Qvale, so I have no idea why I necessarily came to hold this belief but one thing it is not influenced by is Kjell Qvale or 'Suspect X' because I didn't even know of the existence of such a person.
To this day I don't really know why I came to that belief and can only conclude that I formed the opinion based on something that my sub-conscience had stored but that I hadn't realised or couldn't remember it at the time.
PS - If you don't have the time Mike or if it's simply easier for you to do so, just point me to a website or add a link to it where the details are already written.
Post by WelshChappie on Jul 30, 2014 15:35:45 GMT -8
Below is Don Fouke's memo aswel as Mike Mageau's comments as they appear in the press. While Don and Mike's physical description of their respective white male suspects were vastly different, both make mention of one particular mannerism that is highly unusual & unique. So much so that both Witnesses Fouke, and Victim Mageau, commented on it. Both suggest that the Zodiac had an odd, slow type Gait described by both as walking with his head down looking at the floor and seeming to be in no hurry at all. So, despite the physical description being different in many ways, this one odd mannerism is very specific and unique and both say that the man they encountered had this mannerism. (Click the two images below to see larger version)
Above: Don Fouke states that "Subject at no time appeared to be in a hurry and walked with a shuffling lope, slightly bent forward and head down."
Above: Mike Mageau also notices and comments on the odd Gait of his attacker saying "He (Zodiac) walked slowly and with his head down."
The above comments are virtually identical. Both Fouke and Mike make note that this man, despite what he had just done at both Blue Rock & Presidio Heights, seemed to walk slowly and appearing to be in no particular rush or hurry. He also isn't even looking up, but down at the floor. Not only is he unconcerned and uninterested in trying to dash away from the scenes ASAP in a panic but he also appears uninterested in what's going on around him, not bothering to look around before reloading to check if anyone has been attracted to the parking lot after hearing gun-fire etc. The expected reaction in this situation as the shooter would be to be aware of your surroundings at all times to ensure no unwanted attention is coming your way from Concerned Citizens or worse, The Blue Pigs along Columbus Parkway.
Simply not bothered who's coming and from which direction is the Astrological One. Even for someone like Zodiac, this is highly unusual behaviour. Me in a similar situation and role simply wouldn't be able to do that if I tried as instinctive panic and adrenalin would engulf take over and the urgency to flee the area ASAP would be non-resistant. I mean, even other killers who are said to have committed similar crimes to Z, such as Son of San David Berkowitz, wouldn't be likely able to act so cool, calm and stroll away on foot so casually. Berkowitz was seen running away past one witness after he'd done his evil deed.
To pump two people full of bullets in a public Golf Course Parking Lot on a July 4th Holiday and walk away slowly back to your vehicle all the while seeming completely oblivious to what, or more importantly who, is in the vicinity and if they are approaching you is beyond the realms of stupidity and something I just can't bring myself to believe he is making a conscious decision to do it. His judgement and senses may be impaired by something he has taken, or he may have a physical disability that won't allow him to walk rapidly or run and which also causes a slightly stooped posture and head to hang down. These symptoms as a collective group seen together are most commonly found in the early to mid stages of Parkinson's Disease (Incidentally, Bryan Hartnell also noted that Zodiac's hands were trembling and shaking, another extremely common symptom seen in Parkinson's suffers, as he tightened Bryan's binds and so much so that Hartnell even asked the hooded figure if he was nervous to which Z responded by saying, while laughing: "Yeah, something like that.") Not saying I believe he is off it on LSD or that he has Parkinson's, just throwing a couple of ideas out there to explain the extremely odd and foolish way to leave the scene of a crime both at the Springs, Berryessa and Presidio Heights.
I know some will argue that to leave walking casually is actually the best way to do so if your the offender in Presidio Heights because you don't want to draw attention to yourself but that's just complete BS in my opinion. Sure, he can walk casually so as not to draw attention to himself and that is all lovely and everything but walking casually to avoid appearing suspicious is pretty useless when your covered in blood in an area that, to quote Armond Pelissetti: "Just so happens to be extremely well lit.."
Post by WelshChappie on Jul 30, 2014 15:49:43 GMT -8
And going back to my earlier scenario/theory that the cop car would have had to be coming down Jackson Street from the direction of Cherry in order for the police to stop and require them to 'call the Zodiac over' because coming up Jackson St with Suspect walking down on the North Sidewalk would see cop car and suspect stop within inches of each other. Driving down Jackson St with a suspect walking down the same street also and on the North Sidewalk now has Prowl Car and Suspect on opposite side of the street to each other and spotting anyone would require calling over to them.
I found this interview in which Fouke is on Jackson Street
2:05 of this clip and the first question put to Don is "What did you see when you came DOWN this road?" Down this road, as in, down Jackson Street? You could never use the term 'down this road' if your on Jackson Approaching Maple and then Cherry because that up hill. Even Zodiac used the words "As I was walking down the hill to the park this cop car pulled up and one of them called me over." Z is going toward Maple, not away from it and he's going down the hill, or down the road.
Link Below... (Click the video name link in the actual video below if the video won't play on this site.)
Post by WelshChappie on Aug 4, 2014 17:37:53 GMT -8
The only thing that makes me doubt Qvale is his build. Zodiac was always described as stocky, or heavy build, even overweight. Qvale has always been tall and lean. Did Zodiac wear something to make him appear bigger or beefier? After all, he did say "I look like the description passed out only when I do my thing. The rest of the time I look entirely different. I shall not tell you what my disguise consists of when I kill."
Could he have worn something under his windbreaker? May explain why he always walked slow and unsteadily.
In another article on zodiackillersite, MM describes his attacker as "stocky" and "160 lbs." How can you be stocky and weigh so little? This was in the papers before the LB attack. So if Z was not "stocky" and weighed 160 lbs, Mageau had given him a description to emulate by bulking himself up under his costume at LB and under his windbreaker at PH, even if he was not "stocky" with a "potbelly." If MM's description was wrong, Z could have gone with the misidentification to perpetuate the myth that he was "stocky." And he only looked like he did in PH when he "did his thing."
Post by WelshChappie on Aug 6, 2014 12:45:00 GMT -8
Yeah but even the girls who were relaxing on the Island at Berryessa that B.H & C.S would shortly inhabit described a well built man watching them (one even offered that he was muscly looking, while the other stated he had a full, ROUND face). Now I know that there is no proof that this 'Watcher' and the 'Zodiac' are the same person but for me, if it looks like a Duck, Quacks like a duck, and sails on water like a duck then... it's a Duck!
More and more lately I am starting to seriously consider the possibility that there never was A' Zodiac' in the singular sense but rather, wait for it, a conspiracy! I mean the very dictionary definition of Conspiracy is "An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action." Conspiring parties agreeing that both will be active as Zodiac and that's why one witness will give an estimate age as early to mid 20's while another insists 35-45 Years old.
Anything is possible. The issue at hand is proving it! I know that Z looked like the guy the kids saw in PH. I know that one of them who knew the Q family had a cow when Jim Dean showed him a photo in 2003. I know that Z had reddish brown hair from the description and that the hair behind the stamp was, not coincidentally, reddish brown. I know that the Q family men had reddish brown hair...And I can't prove it was or wasn't a different guy but I will guesss that every summer weekend there is some creep ogling pretty girls at LB even today. Somebody who lives nearby can test my hypothesis this weekend!
Post by WelshChappie on Aug 8, 2014 7:05:54 GMT -8
Well I have often wondered if Kane and Qvale knew each other? On the face of it the instinctive answer is not likely because one is a convicted criminal filling two pages of A4 with his multiple arrest history and the other is a multi millionaire who owns such companies as British Motor Distributors and Bank of the West. But according to one article I read previously regarding Larry Kane, the author referred to him as "Larry Kane, a former Car Dealership owner..."
Kjell and Kane have Vehicle Sales and/or distribution in common. I am 90% sure, going on memory alone, that the writer of the article stated that Kane's business was in Alameda County, CA. But having copies of Kane's arrest record dissuades me from even attempting to try and look up his former business or any record of it because the author referred to him as 'Larry Kane, Former Car Salesman' yes, because the article was written about Zodiac suspects but given that we now know that he used 'Klein, Kaye Barton, Cane & Kane' as Aliases then he and his business could have traded under any number of names.
I am not saying there is any connection between ALA and KQ but Allen did own an Austin Healey, which at least puts him into a British sports car, so that narrows down degrees of separation somewhat. But where would ALA fit in the equation? The kids and Fouke were adamant that he was not the man they saw and his handwriting didn't match. So what role did he play? As for Kane, I don't know that every car dealer in the Bay Area knew every other car dealer. If Kane was a used car salesmen that is vastly different from selling the type of cars BMCD sold.
Post by WelshChappie on Aug 11, 2014 17:11:34 GMT -8
Well I've always just assumed, and this is just a personal opinion of mine, that if Kjell was involved in the Zodiac crimes in some form or other then, for me, there just has to be others involved such as a cult involvement. The Son of Sam spree is suspiciously similar to the Zodiac case and witnesses heard gunshots which was 'The Son of Sam' and say as they heard the shots fired several blocks away, Berkowitz was stood by his vehicle and hearing the shots, got in and drove away.
David said he was involved in all SOS hits, but pulled the trigger in only a couple. Then witnesses who saw the Son of Sam, even a surviving victim, is adamant that Berkowitz was not the shooter they saw. The shooter ran rite past witnesses and was seen by the victim in his side view mirror before he shot him the witnesses and the surviving victim said the shooter was a tall, scraggly looking Teenage male. There is no way, they say, it was D Berkowitz. Here's the composite of the tall teen with shoulder length blonde hair, followed by other witnesses sketches. Composite No.2 is clearly David Berkowitz, but the others are accomplices:
My point is, Berkowitz said that there would be several members of the cult in the general area on nights when 'Son of Sam' was planning to strike. I think back to the 'hunters' on Lake Herman who just happened to vacate the area att 11:15ish. The man standing in a drive at Pacific Heights. The Activity at Berryessa with active fishing boats passing by the Island and seem to abruptly cease when Z shows up for 15 to 20 mins or so, and then within minute or two after he walks off, here comes a passing fishing boat.
Well, anything is possible but again, proving it is another thing! It is one thing to surmise a cult conspiracy but another to come up with evidence for it. Maury Terry said that the Z case was based on Satanism but what proof is there of that notion? Maury saw the Devil under every bed, LOL.
Asked what the connection was between Kjell and Art Allen, Joe replied: Hi-
September 5, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Larry kane knows"
I'm in that thread asking for some proof and all I heard was crickets chirping. That's the problem. I've been approached by all manner of people saying all manner of things over the years, some of it EXTREMELY compelling and interesting. But nobody ever showed me an iota of proof that there was anything to it. One guy who called himself "akeledog" had some very titillating things to say about a conspiracy between KQ and a certain police officer to hide the truth but...there was no proof offered other than his word, which was worthless to me.
Post by WelshChappie on Aug 12, 2014 0:52:46 GMT -8
And going back to the Cult angle (Process Church), it was persistently rumoured that the head of this cult was, quote "A wealthy San Francisco Businessman." But that, obviously, should it be correct, could be any number of people.
Post by WelshChappie on Nov 14, 2014 5:41:22 GMT -8
Another odd little thing I noticed occurs in the red phantom letter in the opening line. It reads "Put Marco back in the , Hell-hole from whence it came." There is, what appears to be, a misplaced comma between the words 'The' & 'Hell-Hole' that doesn't belong there.
Now this mark could be a simple error where the writer starts to write a letter or word then changes his mind and stops leaving a mark there but seen as it is found in the opening sentence then it makes sense that the writer would just scrap this & start again.
Looking at the mark, and I am fully aware that you can see what you want to see with this kind of thing, you could suggest that it is not a comma misplaced & could actually be the letter 'j' without the dot atop it. Given then, that the next word to follow this odd mark is 'hell', if you add the out of place 'j' after the h in 'hell' you could almost see the 'h' become 'k' and the word now spelling 'KJELL.' To try to show what I mean I have created an example below:
Rubislaw32: see HMIC about this - OK ?
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Rubislaw32: Thanks 525307 CO
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Sandy: RandolphCarter: all victims different horoscope signs. Darlene Ferrin born on cusp of Cancer and Leo. Sorry but Darlene was not born on the cusp Cancer and Leo, she was born under the cusp of Pisces and Aries. Her birthday is in March not July.
Jan 24, 2020 19:06:47 GMT -8
Rubislaw32: Thanks for the Blackfoot Alphabet tip , Guest 123 .This could be of interest , with the Z148 cipher text . Given a link to the Karl Werner murders , Z148 is likely to be Zodiac authentic . Nice spot .
Jan 11, 2020 6:53:53 GMT -8
Guest123: Most of the people murdered have double letters in their name. Is it a coincidence? Is it deliberate?
Jan 10, 2020 22:05:39 GMT -8
Guest123: Look at the Blackfoot alphabet. Some of the letters look like the symbol in one or more of the cyphers.
Jan 10, 2020 21:50:26 GMT -8
Handyman: ricardo; if the watch is as a compass and the math addad , 36/42 or between its centre 40/41 would or could this also be used at the geographical end of the puzzle , I heard the trick is to find his north ? seeing as the numbers are a key. dvk
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Rubislaw32: Apple Florez extends her apologies to all members,at this site,for her insults,and regrets that she was frustrated,at the time of posting.[refer : Kenneth Lester German ]
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RandolphCarter: Belli defended murderer Jack Ruby
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RandolphCarter: "This thing in me wont let me" Z wasn't nuts, he knew truth.
Sept 1, 2019 15:27:39 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: It is worth it to look at subsidies received by the Lykes Steamship Co since the foundation of the Maritime Administration and notice all of those extra digits. I believe I've made my point and will digress.
Sept 1, 2019 12:58:42 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Is there wisdom in stopping someone trying to fix the world? Would our research be better spent on JFK, RFK, Bugliosi, and all those states down in the Caribbean we know nothing about?
Sept 1, 2019 12:56:57 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Was Goldcatcher thought up to catch greedhounds?
Aug 30, 2019 13:14:18 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Were there any significant astronomical events of 2019 Zodiac would have observed? What were his thoughts on the Ultima Thule Flyby? Randolph Carter smiled to himself in the Strange High House In The Mist that night and thought of sunken Uralia.
Aug 30, 2019 13:13:19 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: The irony of reward money is there must be a world left to spend it in. How deep does Zodiac go and will there still be a bank to go to? The clear headed researcher must remind himself of this.
Aug 30, 2019 13:09:05 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: David Farrady born under Libra killed under Sagittarius. Paul Stine born under Sagittarius killed under Libra.
Aug 30, 2019 11:33:42 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: all victims different horoscope signs. Darlene Ferrin born on cusp of Cancer and Leo.
Aug 30, 2019 11:30:59 GMT -8
RandolphCarter: Just how many scandals were kept secret by the zodiac remaining unsolved?
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RandolphCarter: How many Paul Tates were there and did Blaine ever meet Gutierrez Mannoyo?
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